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| Teshuvah | May 28 2008, 08:00 AM Post #1 |
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Will, I cannot respond to your post on the associated thread (click here) because it is closed, so I will post it here.
Tolerance for evil is an abomination to the Most High God. Read The Travesty of Tolerance. You should judge yourself and depart from evil so that Yeshua will know you are His. Those who do not depart from evil are not His. 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. Further, 1 Corinthians Ch 3, 4, 5 and 6 sets out how you should judge yourselves and not keep company with the carnal and the wicked. 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. You can tell who is true and who is false among Christians by their fruit: Bad fruit: Ga 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Good fruit: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Read John Ch. 8 where Yeshua said Jews who claimed to be Abraham's Seed, were of their father the devil. He was not "nice" like modern Christians were "nice." Now the situation is reversed and it is so-called Christians that are in that place. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Yeshua said He knows who loves Him because they keep His commandments. Those are part of The Law. So, yes, He is a legalist. You should behold the severity and not the goodness only of God. Time is short. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Obviously those who hate Him don't. Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Do you want to be found in v. 14 or v. 15? Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Paul wrote: 1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. If he could be castaway, so could any Christian today. God is coming for a Holy people. If you're not Holy, He's not coming for you. Repent, the Day of the Lord is at hand. ~Teshuvah Click below for more info about the abominable occult Statue of Liberty. Statue of Liberty Why Mystery Babylon is not the Catholic Church (or any church) Who is this woman? Is the Statue of Liberty Pagan? Mason's Statue of Liberty.freemasons,ishtar,goddess,presidents RC says goodbye (scarlet/purple jewels like a queen)** Freemasonry and the Statue of Liberty |
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| Teshuvah | May 28 2008, 08:04 AM Post #2 |
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November 6, 2002 NICE IS NOT A FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT By Randy Loudenslager Where does it say in the Bible that 'nice' is a fruit of the Holy Spirit? The answer will surely irritate many of you reading this. Nowhere can it be found as a fruit of the Holy Spirit or as a desirable quality in a Christian! For those who are closest to me you know how I like to mention that the American church is so caught up in the 'nice cult' that it helped elect that 'nice' man Bill Clinton, not once but twice, to the White House! The 'nice cult' dictates our Christian social customs. If someone pronounces that a person is nice then it is generally assumed that person is a Christian regardless of doctrinal position and can be trusted. Someone will inevitably say that Jesus Christ was a nice man. If you believe this then you may be surprised that Jesus openly questioned his disciple's mental capacity by asking them if they were so "dull" as to not comprehend what he was saying! That's not nice. Read the gospels and look for examples of Jesus being 'nice.' You will come away seeing that the world did not perceive him as being a 'nice' guy. If Jesus walked among us in person right now he would be automatically rejected by the 'nice cult' as being divisive, critical, arrogant, holier than though, condemning, abrasive, too intense and just down right intolerant! Jesus wanted us to love each other. Our love can only be proven by our actions not by our words alone. It is found in joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These are actions that stem from obedience to the Word of God and are manifested as fruit of the Holy Spirit. Scripture says that if the truth is in us then we will walk as Jesus walked, humble, repentant and thankful. We will never depart from the truth nor will we withhold it from others even if appears to hurt them at first. In the Spirit we would discern that the long-term effects of the truth could be the very thing that will see a person into the LORD's kingdom. That is love! Nice is a false spiritual fruit. It requires nothing from us but to be actors. As pretenders we feign kindness and gentleness with soothing words meant to tickle the itching ears of those who we are trying to impress with our piety. Can anyone say, "Sunday Christian?" The very irony of the end-times is that many practitioners of 'nice' will never experience the persecution of the church because they will blend into the world so well with their 'I won't judge you if you won't judge me' mentality. You see, that is the danger of 'nice.' A somewhat recent survey has shown us that the most quoted scripture in the Bible was John 3:16. Unfortunately this verse has been supplanted with Matthew 7:1, which reads, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." God is sending forth his prophets. These are NOT nice people. They won't tell you what you want to hear. Although they won't judge you their words will! If your conscience isn't clear then they will be speaking conviction to your heart. If you are humble then their words will be met by you with rejoicing! The truth from the mouths of God's prophets more often than not leads to their suffering, torment and even death. But beware Mr./Mrs. Nice, you will not stop them or those who obey their words because they know that their reward is coming in the resurrection! Check the motives of your heart. If you seek acceptance from other people then you are a self-seeker and are not worthy of the kingdom to come, no matter how saved YOU think you are! Seek God's acceptance alone, even at the cost of favor among men, without it you will not enter the gates of eternal life! But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Galatians 5:22-23 |
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| Teshuvah | May 28 2008, 08:24 AM Post #3 |
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Nicer Than God - by Bob Enyart Christians today are nicer than God. Or at least they are trying to be so. In the Church there is a standard of niceness that Jesus failed to reach while on earth. Comparing God’s attitude and behavior with that of the Church today shows that believers are far more polite, tolerant, understanding and respectful to the wicked than God is. The Church is also less offensive, rude and sarcastic than God’s men in the Bible were. And no Christian would ever be caught dead mocking the wicked, as God’s men in the Bible sometimes did. Bob Enyart Live is an occasionally harsh, always confrontational, news-talk show. The program does not cater to what Christians expect, but to what non-Christians will listen to. And it turns out that non-Christians will listen to straight talk, including appropriate harshness and offensiveness. Yes, sometimes the show is intentionally offensive. But then, so was Jesus. Jesus was offensive. Most people were offended by him. The proof for John the Baptist that Jesus was the Christ was that the blind see, the lame walk and the majority are "offended" by Him (Mat. 11:2-19). As Jesus said, "Blessed is he who is not offended because of Me" (Mat. 11:6; Luke 7:23). In Galilee, Jesus did not plead with his neighbors to understand Him when "they were offended at Him" (Mat. 13:57; Mark 6:3). If unbelievers are offended, so be it (cf. Luke 14:3-4; John 5:8-16). "Shake off the dust from your feet" (Mat. 10:14). But alas, that is no longer a Christian attitude. Christ’s apostles asked Him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard [Your] saying?" (Mat. 15:12). What is the accepted Christian response today after an offense is taken? Quick, apologize! Ask for forgiveness! Tell them you are sorry. How did Jesus respond? He said to ignore the complaints of the unbelievers: "Let them alone. They are blind," (Mat. 15:14). Today, many Christians condemn Christ’s attitude as unloving. Jesus promised his followers, "you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended" (Mat. 24:9-10). When a Canadian started his call with a vicious, "Bob, I hate you..." The immediate and (super-) natural response was "Cool. Great! Because Jesus taught that ‘if they hated Me, they will hate you’" (see John 15:18-19; 17:14; Mat. 10:22; Luke 21:17). Today Christians think if the world hates them, they have failed. The reverse should be true. It is not that a Christian wants to be hated; it is simply an occupational hazard. Jesus is the Rock. Most believers are unaware, however, that Jesus used this metaphor to issue a graphic threat against the unrepentant. For Christ said that on whom that Rock "falls, it will grind him to powder" (Mat. 21:44; Luke 20:18). Even the Father said that the Son is the "rock of offense" (Isa. 8:14; Rom. 9:33; 1 Pet. 2:8). Offending unbelievers is Christlike in the deepest sense. God utterly forbid drinking blood (Lev. 3:17; 17:14). Israelites, from priests, to Pharisees, to average citizens, were at least superficially obsessed with "keeping the law." Thus when Jesus said whoever "drinks My blood has eternal life," (John 6:54) He was being extremely offensive, and intentionally so. Further, He made no effort whatsoever to clarify Himself. Rather, He let the offense work its ministry. Jesus knew He even offended His own followers. As He said to "His disciples" immediately afterward, "does this offend you?" (John 6:61). Bob Enyart Live ‘turns off’ some believers, but more non-believers ‘turn it on’ than any other Christian show in a recent Nielsen ratings report. Why are so many folks, including unbelievers, tuning in to a show that some have called rude? Perhaps it is because the loving but mushy, "Brother, bless you for calling," is missing from the program. Many Christians expect that approach, which is an absolute turn off to 95% of the population. That surely is one reason heathens do not listen to Christians. There is only so much niceness a person can stand. And all along, everyone thought the unbelievers were tuning out because they were unspiritual. But it turns out that many tune out Christians because we are unspiritual, or overly spiritual. Nielsen TV ratings for July 1996 show that Bob Enyart Live is able to draw a larger audience than NBC’s Conan O’Brien on at least a couple nights each week. Nielsen compiled this data from the Notre Dame TV market in South Bend, Indiana which is one of the top 100 markets in America. At times, the program also outperformed Tom Snyder on CBS. The show also did well against Entertainment Tonight and Fox’s Northern Exposure and Married with Children, and it blew away Masterpiece Theater on PBS. Being rough with the wicked does not automatically turn off unbelievers. An Indianapolis Star columnist, Steve Hall, wrote (Dec. 1, 1994): "But he’s cheerful. Oddly, despite the rigidity of his views, Enyart does not come across as a dour, puritanical type." A harsh style is difficult for more sensitive Christians to appreciate. However the biblical approach to communicating with the world includes not only compassion, but harshness as well. The Bible sometimes ministers through ridicule, humor, sarcasm and even mocking. For example, God mocked the Midianites when He defeated them after sending a nightmare to them that they were being attacked by a loaf of bread (Jud. 7:13-14). Elijah, just prior to executing 450 prophets of Baal, "mocked them" as the Bible says, telling them to yell louder to their god so that Baal could hear their prayers since he was either on a trip, sleeping or in the restroom (Hebrew, "private place," 1 Ki. 18:27; and 2 Ki. 6:8-20). When the Ad Council airs anti-drug public service announcements (PSAs) that mock "pot heads on Jeopardy" who cannot even remember their names, they are not motivated out of hatred, but out of love. Ridicule can and does save lives. "Why do you think they call it dope?" Ad Council spots run on Christian stations and get no criticism for being unloving or unkind. Why is it that Christians never rise up against the effort to stigmatize drug users? If a pagan brings peer pressure against "pot heads," that is accepted. Let a believer, however, use mockery to stigmatize fornication or sodomy, and the Church rises in condemnation. God, however, does not condemn those who "rebuke the wicked" (see Prov. 24:25). God mocked Jeroboam, who "stretched out his hand from the altar" and ordered the prophet arrested. "Then his hand, which he stretched out toward him, withered, so that he could not pull it back to himself" (1 Ki. 13:4). God mocked the Philistines when they found Dagon their god "fallen on its face before the ark of the Lord. So they took Dagon and set it in its place again" (1 Sam. 5:3). The next morning they found Dagon toppled again, but this time he had lost his head (1 Sam. 5:4). God mocked the idolaters who cut down a branch, and with half of it they make a god to worship and with the other half, they make a fire to cook lunch (Is. 44:14-17). Another carves an idol of stone and says to it "wake up" (Hab. 2:18-19). When a harsh word is needed God uses a harsh word. This is true in the Old and New Testaments. Herod beheaded John the Baptist for "rebuking" the king for "all the evils which Herod had done" (Luke 3:19) and for condemning the tetrarch for incestuous adultery (Mat. 14:3-4; Mark 6:17-18; Lev. 18:16; 20:21) with "Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife" (Luke 3:19). Jesus warned of "the leaven of Herod" (Mark 8:15). When notified that "Herod wants to kill You," (Luke 13:31), Christ responded without respect, "Go, tell that fox, ‘I cast out demons’…" (Luke 13:32). The especially harsh term hypocrite is used in the Gospels twenty-three times. Christ often insulted the scribes, Pharisees and lawyers. He even called the Pharisees blind guides (Mat. 23:16, 24) and sons of hell (Mat. 23:15). Jesus spoke unkind words unacceptable today. He said to Peter "Get behind me, Satan" (Mat. 16:23). He told the Pharisees "You are of your father the devil" (John 8:44), and made a whip and cleared "thieves" from the temple (Mat. 21:12-13; Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46; John 2:14:15). Gentiles (as symbols of the godless) and sodomites are called "dogs" in the Bible (Mat. 7:6; 15:26; Deut. 23:17-18; Ps. 22:16; 59:5-6; Phil. 3:2; Rev. 22:15). And Jesus was harsh (not only to the Pharisees, as some believers wrongly assume but) to all the unrepentant (see His use of "hypocrite"). Jesus instructs Christians to not "cast your pearls before swine" (Mat. 7:6). Yet the silly dilemma now is, "Who could Christ possibly have meant by that, for we are too loving, tolerant, polite and respectful to refer to any human being by that mean-spirited term." In the King James Version, the seductive women among the people of God are worse than "whores" (Ezek. 16:33). That crude term appears in the Bible dozens of times. The men who use those women are "whoremongers" (1 Tim. 1:10; Heb. 13:4; Rev. 21:8; 22:15), which is the most raw term in the English language to describe promiscuous men. God describes other sinners in terms of filthy excrement (Isa. 64:6) and even worse (2 Ki. 18:27; Isa. 36:12). Sinners truly are repulsive, regardless of how men may try to sanitize them. The Bible does not say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." It says, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov. 23:7). And that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5). "The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Ps 5:6). Also "the wicked and the one who loves violence [God] hates." (Ps 11:5). Further, "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil" (Ps 34:16). God "loves righteousness and hates wickedness (Ps. 45:7). There are six things "the Lord hates," including "a heart that devises wicked plans… a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren" (Prov. 6:16-19). And God reminds us "All their wickedness is in Gilgal, for there I hated them. Because of the evil of their deeds I will drive them from My house; I will love them no more" (Ho 9:13). As Moses wrote of God, "if you do not obey Me... My soul shall abhor you" (Lev. 26:27-30). Even in the New Testament, Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9) introducing the concept of hypocritical love. What is hypocritical love? "Should you… love those who hate the Lord? Therefore the wrath of the Lord is upon you" (2 Chr. 19:2). Warning the wicked of the coming judgment is harsh, but is a necessary component of acceptable love. A love that is not hypocritical rebukes and condemns, and then points the way to God. God uses different methods to communicate the Gospel to people at different depths of depravity. At times, a Christian can pray with an unbeliever. At other times, a believer might ridicule the unrepentant in hopes of waking him up. Painful communication though is in no way reserved just for non-Christians. Paul uses dripping sarcasm telling the Corinthians that they do not need his counsel because they are full, rich, wise, strong and distinguished. They are even like kings, and all that without Paul’s help (1 Cor. 4:8, 10). Sarcasm stigmatizes destructive behavior and prods people toward righteousness (1 Cor. 4:14). Paul also fell short of today’s compassionate Christianity when he wrote that the government should minister terror, wrath and vengeance against the evildoer and that the sword should be used against them (Rom. 13:3-4). The Apostle also erred by today’s standards calling unbelievers fools (Rom. 1:22) and the Galatians fools (Gal. 3:1, 3). Incidentally, Jesus also called men fools (Mat. 23:17, 19; 25:2-8; Luke 11:40; 12:20) when appropriate but never "without a cause" (Mat. 5:22) according to His teaching. As King David wrote, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’" (Ps. 53:1). Thus, atheists are fools and it is cruel to withhold this knowledge from them. Christians enjoy quoting, "No weapon formed against you shall prosper." However many shudder at the rest of the verse. For thus says the Lord, "Every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn" (Isa. 54:17). Jesus taught that human beings will condemn the wicked. "The men of Nineveh will rise in the judgment with this generation and condemn it" (Mat. 12:41). Jesus said, "For God so loved the world." Then two verses later He added, "but he who does not believe is condemned already" (John 3:18). By today’s Christian standard, no unbeliever would know that he is condemned, because most believers will not communicate this vital truth. John 3:16 is nice. John 3:18 is not nice. Some have called Bob Enyart Live rude. Jesus was rude. He was asked a question that goes to the very heart of His ministry. "Who gave you this authority?" (Mat. 21:23). Within the answer to that question lies eternal life, yet Christ was not inclined to answer them. Rather, He asked them a question, which they failed to answer (Mat. 21:24-27). Therefore He said to them that neither would He answer their question (Mat. 21:27; see also Luke 22:67 and John 12:34-36). When people misunderstood Jesus He often made no effort to explain Himself. Quite to the contrary, He often purposely let His hearers misconstrue His words (John 2:18-22). Jesus let people walk away in unbelief without running after them. The Bible does not record Him as saying, "I’m sorry, did you misunderstand me?" He is the "stumbling block," and if men wanted to stumble, He let them. For those who want to hang themselves, He invites them (Rev. 22:11). Jesus made the rope available. He is that rope (Rom. 9:33). Jesus was a man, not a girl. Christianity today has been emasculated. Men and women are different and they communicate differently. Women are softer and nicer than men, and thank God that they are. However, men are not supposed to be women. Today, Christian ministers are expected to behave like women. That foolishness is a death sentence for many unbelievers. Strength, confidence, conviction and tough love appeal to those who are searching. Thus Jesus is a beacon to real seekers. But for those wanting to get lost, Christ is like a street sign that has been reversed by a troublemaker. Today we are way nicer than God. It is tragic. This spiritual plateau that the Church has reached conveniently reduces the chances for confrontation. Nice people rarely rebuke, judge, confront, accuse or condemn. Nice people have less stress. It seems the only ones that Christians are quick to judge and condemn are fellow believers who judge and condemn the wicked. Go figure. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 28 2008, 12:42 PM Post #4 |
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Instructions from the Lord Jesus "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." ~Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:16) Other translations say wise as serpants, harmless as doves. We are not God, however God has behaved in the OT is not our concern nor are we to behave as if we are God. We live by the words of the living God who has left us His directions. We remain innocent, yet we have the word of God as our sword. We let God therefore, do the convicting of hearts. We simply must obey what He commands. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." ~Jesus Christ (John 13:34) Fruits of the Spirit "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." ~Galatians 5:22-26 So what exactly is kindness? What is gentleness? These fruits of the spirit come out of the gift of Love which is given to us from the Holy Spirit. These fruits all make up what is the essence of Love. It it is a gift from God if we ask Him for it. Love (1 Corinthians 13:1-13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is Love. "Love Your Neighbor As Yourself" (Matthew 22:34-40) Words of Christ: Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." God's Love and Ours Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother." ~1 John 4:7-21 Love For Enemies "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." ~Matthew 5:43-48 I think that will be enough to get you started on knowing Our God. "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you" ~Jesus Christ (John 14 :27) ~7Seven |
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| justme | May 29 2008, 10:47 AM Post #5 |
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Careful tesh you do not set yourself up as judge of God's people. It appears you need work on the fruits there, which is biblical. Kindness or gentleness ring a bell? That is basically what 7 thunders was pointing out. If you had been reading her posts you would see she does not endorse a precarious approach to holy living. A lot of things you say I can agree with but it is the spirit in which you say them that has me troubled. You can point out truths of scripture without being condemning. I hate how so many in the 'church' now uses that passage in Matthew 7:1 to justify their own lack of holiness. Always getting the meaning all wrong about what Jesus was saying. I tell them that if the word condemns their actions then I am not judging them, the word is. I am just saying what it says. So we agree there. Yet our walk is much more than just giving stern warnings, of which are sometimes necessary. Yet we need to be careful in what spirit we do rebuke, lest we play into the hands of the enemy by causing division within the body. Also fwiw I use the KJV exclusively. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 29 2008, 12:26 PM Post #6 |
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That was a very good post Justme and I felt that it was said in love as well as Seven Thunders. |
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| justme | May 29 2008, 01:58 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks SpiritIsWilling. This is a lesson I am learning myself. I can relate to what he says because I have often being critical, though unintentional. God has been dealing with me on being more supportive of believers and correcting in a more loving way. Without so much arguing over ideas that do not matter in the long run. Like our personal belief on the timing of the rapture, for instance. Now on essentials of the faith, like holy living, I will not hesitate in throwing my 2 cents in. But I will always back up my views with scripture. What sincere believer can argue with the word? And if you are sincere then you should want to get as close to Jesus as possible, and not as close to the world as possible and still make it. I believe that line of thinking is of the Laodicean spirit that has taken over so many in the church. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 29 2008, 02:26 PM Post #8 |
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That is so YES and Amen!! Unfortunately many Christians will not agree with you on that point  
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 29 2008, 03:28 PM Post #9 |
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You have taken my quote out of context, which does make it sound different. In the context in which I intended, I meant that we should behave how Christ commanded for us to behave toward one another. We are to "Love one another" which sounds kind of like a 'Nice' way to behave toward one another. And when I said Our God, I was referring to Our God, Our shared God, the One God. PS: As a child of God, I can speak His Name. YHWH. The NT does change things. It brings us into a relationship as Children of the King. We are brought into the fulness of His Love. And the world has changed with the gift of the Savior Jesus Christ. God no longer commands whole civilizations to be killed, men, women, children and farm animals in the OT style. Christ has brought His Mercy to the world. We are now to Love our ememy and pray for those who curse us. Bless and do not curse. If a theif steals our cloak we are to offer him our tunic also, and if we are struck on one cheek, we are to offer up the other to be struck again. We had a Savior who was silent during his trial and who took up his cross and carried it willingly for our sins. We have the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, whose Mercy is unfathomable. There were changes that day on Calvary. This is the turning point of the NT. Yes, Christ came to fulfill the law, but we are no longer under OT law and the old sacrifice and judgement system. We are under the Law of Christ, which is the law of Mercy and Pardon for our sins. Once and for all, our debt was paid if we accept the Victory Christ has won for us. Debt paid in full. God's system has changed. That is truth, revealed in the New Testament which shows us God's plan for us today. It is a new thing which the Lord has done through Jesus Christ. Live in the freedom He has given us! Be a slave no longer! Accept His Sacfrifice! Show Him you love Him by obeying His New Commandments! Yes, it may be a softer you, but gentleness and meekness does not make a man a woman. Jesus Christ was gentle and meek and He was a real man! Meekness is not the same thing as weakness. To be meek is to use the true strength that comes from wisdom and maturity. Allow the Lord to do a work of Mercy in your Life. Allow the Lord to break you and mold you into a New Creation. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." ~Jesus Christ (Matthew 11:29) ~7Seven |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 29 2008, 04:12 PM Post #10 |
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Dear Teshuvah, Your post that I was responding to disappeared. But I will respond none-the-less. You mentioned the Once saved always saved false dogma. It is not my dogma, I believe in working out my salvation with fear and trembling (philippians 2:12.) Or else how could a house having been swept clean, go on to have seven more demons? "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation." ~Jesus (12:43-45) I see good works as a sign that you actually do love Jesus. As he did say to Peter, if you love me...feed my sheep. So the action of feeding His Sheep, being a work, is where I get the idea that he will want us to show us we love him by obeying God. You mentioned this lady who flipped out over OSAS. Please remember that Christians are all different and being that there are 20,000 or so denominations, there is bound to be a false doctrine here or there. How do we deal with these misguided souls? We correct them with love and much patience. Acting 'out of Love' is the important part or else we become that infamous resounding gong of 1 Corinthians 13:1. Many Christians fall into that category, unfortunately. And some don't mean to come across as brash online, I have this figured out: A person who is used to getting away with being rude because they are cute comes online and sounds atrocious in the written word. It becomes a challenge to convert your style of language to something that sounds civil in writing. Often a truth is said in jest, while in a verbal conversation, and that person gets away with it because they flip their hair and bat their eyelashes and have instant forgiveness. Their eyes sparkle and their voice lilts and their numerous faults are hidden and smoothed over. Now take that all to an online post, and you have war breaking out between otherwise decent people. It's like road rage, only it's online. Also, people tend to depersonalize people online, and that also leads to harsh words. We need to remember that we are Brothers and Sisters in Christ and should treat each other accordingly. With that said, I hope you and your friend will stay here. My Jewish Brothers and Sisters are welcome at my table, my Lord being a Jew. ~7Seven |
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| Teshuvah | May 29 2008, 06:44 PM Post #11 |
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"Judge Rightly" Is Not Some Guy's Name by Bob Enyart Dead link: http://www.enyart.com/features/writings/judge.shtml An absurd question has stymied the Church. Should Christians judge? Of course believers should judge. To not judge is to be indecent, not to mention inhuman. The only kingdom in which there is no judging is the plant kingdom. For of living things, vegetables do not judge. In the animal kingdom, though, judgment is a must, and members of the Kingdom of God must do the most judging. Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and He praised a man who "rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because there was no one among them willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor. 2:15-16). The notion that judgment is wrong is a ludicrous one. Should child-molesters escape condemnation? Should rapists be free from criticism? Should society refrain from judging those arrested for murder? Should we call evil good? Or would that be a judgment too? "Judge not" is the prayer of those who want to hide light under a basket. The cliché describes salt which has lost its flavor, which no longer seasons or preserves. Those seduced by this terrible lie are taken out of the game. As spectators on the sidelines, they only watch the spiritual battle. But they are in a comfort zone. Apathy is the craving. "Judge not" is the mantra for shirking responsibility. Borrowing characters from C. S. Lewis, imagine this dialogue between a junior demon named Wormwood and his wicked uncle Screwtape. This fiendish exchange could have occurred a century ago. Wormwood: Believers have so many weapons at their disposal. It is difficult to neutralize them. It takes a huge effort just to slow the work of a single Christian. Screwtape: Your one-on-one approach is inefficient. This is the age of Madison Avenue and mass marketing. If you can undermine their whole group at once, then you’ve accomplished something. Wormwood: Unfortunately, I’m not highly productive. In the time it takes me to frustrate one believer, I could be tempting a dozen heathens. Screwtape: Don’t lose heart, Wormwood. We are implementing a plan to impair the whole Church with a single ploy. Wormwood: I don’t see how that will be possible. The Christians that I’ve seen are dedicated to warning others about hell. It’s all I can do just to get one of them distracted for a short time. Screwtape: We are going to use their Leader’s own words. Wormwood: No! Please don’t. Don’t even joke about using His words. I can’t take it. Screwtape: If you’re ever going to grow up to be an effective demon, you’re going to have to learn to use the Enemy’s words against Him. Wormwood: It just seems so dangerous. Which words are you going to use? Screwtape: "Judge not!" Wormwood: I don’t understand why He would tell them not to judge. That’s confusing. He commanded His followers to rebuke, admonish and judge hundreds of times in His Book. And that’s what they’re out there doing. And I might add, it’s causing me no end of grief. Screwtape: When their Leader said those words, He was speaking to hypocrites. "Judge not… you hypocrite," as He said later in the same paragraph. Wormwood: Yeah, but how are we going to use "Judge not" to neutralize the whole Church? Screwtape: We are going to get them to ignore the fact that He was talking to hypocrites. He said that hypocrites should not judge, at least not until they stop doing the wrong deed themselves. But we are going to make them think that none of them should judge. Wormwood: That’s brilliant… if you can pull it off, that is. I mean, if we can get them to stop judging, then they won’t rebuke the wicked. And they won’t be able to admonish those who are sexually immoral. Screwtape: It is even more brilliant than you realize. If we can seduce Christians into following the instructions for hypocrites, we will turn them into hypocrites. It’s like government workers who follow foolish rules so precisely they are transformed from human beings into bureaucrats; drones who mindlessly dispense red tape regardless of the misfortune they cause. The slave who willingly obeys his master, begins to conform to the master. If believers willingly submit to an instruction for hypocrites, they will conform to hypocrisy. Eventually, with a little evil luck, we might stop them from confronting unbelievers altogether because, as you know Wormwood, to confront requires judging. And if they don’t judge unbelievers, they are hypocrites, professing the Gospel but denying its power. Wormwood: Ha, ha. I’m excited. When do we start? Screwtape: Everything is underway already. Just do your part. Wormwood: And that is…? Screwtape: Make sure your targets read as little of the Book as possible. Don’t get too worried if they stick to their favorite twenty cliché verses. But make sure they remain ignorant of most of the Word. Wormwood: Master, you are brilliant. Screwtape: You can call me Master if you want, but don’t let the boss hear you. A lie paralyzed the Church. To abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. God instructs men against "hypocrisy" commanding them to "abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9). Thus, unable to judge, and unaccustomed to abhorrence, Christians en masse become hypocrites when they obey the Hypocrites Golden Rule. For "judge not" (Mat. 7:1-5) is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Mat. 7:12). "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" (Mat. 7:2). Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged. Therefore the hypocrite does not judge. As Jesus said, "Judge not… you hypocrite" (Mat. 7:1, 5 KJV; Ezek. 16:52). Christ kept this theme throughout His ministry. "Hypocrites," Jesus said, "why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?" (Luke 12:56-57). Still, His own followers have mostly ignored the Lord’s harsh rebuke: "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye" (Mat. 7:5). "Judge Not" is the Hypocritical Oath. "Judge Not" is hypocrite haven. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Such Christians, though, should relocate. Move into "the temple of the great God, which is being built with heavy stones" (Ezra 5:8). Christians live in the "building" for which Christ is "the chief corner stone" (Eph. 2:20). And if that Stone falls on someone it "will grind him to powder" (Mat. 21:44; Luke 20:18; cf. Ex. 32:20). It is better to be judged by a Christian than crushed by Christ. Scripture deals with topics which range from simple to advanced truth. There is the milk which is for babes in Christ, but the meat is for men of God. The question of whether or not Christians should judge is milk. It is preschool. The newest believer discipled with any of a hundred passages would immediately understand that he must judge. Judging others is fundamental. It is not a difficult concept and should in no way be controversial. "Everyone who partakes only in milk is unskilled in the Word of righteousness, for he is a babe" (Heb. 5:13). The Church today, however, has trouble even with milk. Extreme ignorance of the Bible has crippled the Church. And that crippling is obvious in virtually every denomination, and in almost all local fellowships. What is the percentage of Christians who have succumbed to the "Judge not" deception? Is there even one percent of believers who have not fallen for that diversion? Surely it seems that at least 99 out of 100 are guilty of either not rebuking someone for misquoting Jesus, or of repeating the mindless "Judge not" themselves. Believers need to turn from this sin and ask God for wisdom to keep from being so easily deceived again. Curse God and die! Is that good advice? Word for word, it is in the Bible. Job’s wife counsels her husband to "Curse God and die" (Job 2:7). Many verses, if ripped out of context, can ruin lives. Judas "went and hanged himself" (Mat. 27:5) and as Jesus said "Go and do likewise" (Luke 10:37). The believer who lacks a hunger for God’s word is susceptible to the most absurd dangers. A letter to the Rocky Mountain News in October 1996 about a murderer who killed two priests expressed a typical judge-not sentiment. The writer advocated incarceration and opposed execution because even the murderer is made "in the image of God" and it would be "wrong to put the image of God to death." The ‘hypocrite’ (used technically) who wrote the letter should have admitted a similar incongruity in putting the image of God in jail. But alas, muddled thinking never gets that far. Are members of the Body of Christ today less capable than Israel whom God commanded to "judge righteously" (Deut. 1:16-17; Lev. 19:15)? Moses appointed the head of one out of every ten households as a judge (Ex. 18:25; Deut. 1:15). Should Christians look down upon the entire book of Judges? Should America eliminate all judges, or should just the Christian judges resign? Should believers ignore Paul’s admonition? For he wrote: "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?" (1Cor. 6:2-5). Notice that Christians "will judge the world!" (1 Cor. 6:2). For Paul said, "if the world will be judged by you…" God is the Judge of all the world who will delegate that judgment to His people. Even spirit beings will submit to believers: "Do you not know that we shall judge angels?" Then and now, believers should "judge... according to My judgments" (Ezek. 44:24) as God said. The Almighty commits judgment into the hands of His obedient servants (Rev. 20:4, 1 Tim. 5:24). This teaching is ancient for as Enoch, the seventh from Adam, said, "the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment on all" (Jude 14-15). Jesus too said, "The men of Nineveh will rise in the judgment with this generation and condemn it..." (Mat. 12:41). And as Solomon wrote, "jealously is a husband's fury; therefore, he will not spare [the adulterer] in the day of vengeance. He will accept no recompense nor will he be appeased..." (Prov. 6:34-35). God gives the responsibility for vengeance, condemnation and judgment to His servants for "every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord…" (Isa. 54:17). Today, many believers are effectively saying, "Lord, thanks but no thanks. I’ll pass on that judgment stuff." But Paul responds, "Start judging now, because you will need the practice" (1Cor. 6:2-5). Remember, "he who is spiritual judges all things. For... we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15-16). And God will reward those who judge, and do the hard work: "Those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them." (Prov. 24:25). Jesus said, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills, though, Christians battle an enemy that means them no harm, their inclination to judge. 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| Deleted User | May 29 2008, 06:49 PM Post #12 |
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[/quote]My statement that you quoted was in reference to how you criticized others on this thread unjustly. I am sorry if I was not more plain in my message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Justme, you are correct that your sentence was misunderstood ... and I thought, too, that you were inferring something entirely different. That's what is so awkward about writing one's thoughts... sometimes they are not seen as they were MEANT to be seen.  I must say that she/he?? certainly came up with a great resource about Christians judging. |
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| Teshuvah | May 29 2008, 07:53 PM Post #13 |
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The post that went missing is below.*** The prophets throughout history and Yeshua Himself were hated by the unrighteous. Yeshua said the wicked stoned the prophets who told them to repent. He said to the Jews, Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Today He says that again but it is "O America, America, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" Today the wicked and the lukewarm call the righteous "hateful" and "Shoot the Messenger." All of the commands of G-d are "Come up here!" and "Be holy!" not "Come down here and be tolerant and nice." The only name I want made great is His. He speaks to me and streams Bible through my head all the time and shows me things that are to come in the future such as a dream He gave me showing the 911 disaster back in 1998. Many times I have seen people warned, they do not heed the warning, and then G-d cuts them off and He tells me the scripture showing why He did it. Ps 37:34 Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it. I have seen the wicked cut off and some called themselves Christians. He hears my prayers and answers them all, including miraculously raising my beloved from the dead two years ago when I prayed. Therefore, I hear the L-rd, He knows me and I am His sheep. He hears me even if you don't. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: I have an awesome fear of the L-rd and you should, too. ======================= ***Missing post:
I can hardly believe that you actually said that. You evidently are a "New Testament" Christian who has cut the legs off your Bible and therefore cannot walk. My Bible starts at Genesis and ends at the end of Revelation. Where does yours start?
There is only one G-d and He is the G-d who created the world and everything in it and who is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the G-d of Israel. Ps 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed. 18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things. 19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen. The Bible outlines the history of the 12 tribes of Israel and G-d's dealings with them and how a nation can be saved. Your New Testament shows how an individual can be saved through the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua.. He has not changed between Malachi and Matthew and is the same today. In fact, in Malachi He says: Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. He is bringing the Jews home to Israel (Zionism) for the Geula (Redemption) and anyone or anything trying to stop or hinder that will be cut in pieces...including so called Christians or countries. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. I met a woman years ago about the age of 55 who preached love and Jesus and appeared so sweet at first. When I told her that Repentance and a continuing walk of Holiness was necessary for salvation and tried to show her that in the Bible, she didn't want to know what the Bible said. She preferred the doctrines of men and pulled out a tape by Pastor Stanley supporting Once Saved~Always Saved ("OSAS") and demanded we play that instead. When we stated that the Bible was the authority, not Stanley she broke out in a demonic rant, jumping up and down on the floor like Rumplestiltskin and screaming at the top of her lungs, "MyJesus will never leave me. MyJesus will never leave me!" Her compadres stood in wide-eyed, open mouthed horror at her actions. You need to understand that when a person receives a false doctrine such as OSAS or any other false doctrine, those are "doctrines of devils" (see below*) and one receives a demon with each false doctrine. That caused her to manifest the demon she called "MyJesus." Did she serve and worship the true Jesus (Yeshua)? No, of course not. She didn't hear God's words and therefore is not His: Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. She doesn't love or know the true Jesus because if she did she would change her life to do what He said. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. The real Jesus is looking for good fruit. Finding none, He will have the unfruitful cut down. 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Lu 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? Words of love drip from this board, however, the way AndrewJohn was treated on this board was not loving. It was absolutely clear from his first posts that he was Jewish. He didn't try to hide that (why should he?) and was merely relating his dreams. He was not picking a fight as Summer wrote and his conclusion is entirely accurate. He wrote: "Perfect example of Gentile defiling a Jew and His G-d. When have you see an unrighteous person have a prophetic vision of the Temple Mount?..." Several posts have said he is an unbeliever which is not true. He believes in Ha Shem which is "The Name." You can figure out who that is. He doesn't believe in a New Testament Jesus, certainly not the one manifested on this board, but the signs in the earth and sky and political events say that G-d is restoring the Jews to their homeland and will redeem them in their own land and cut off and destroy all who oppose that. When Yeshua comes he will not look like a Christian TV preacher in an Armani suit. He will look like the Jewish Rabbi that He is with fringes on His garments and He is coming to redeem Israel ("da joos") and all who call upon His Name and line up with the Word by departing from iniquity and being righteous. He will embrace the Jews and be their Messiah ("Ha Mashiach"). You should do likewise because they are "His brethren" and all who do not "shall go away into everlasting punishment." v. 46.
I urge you to read Romans Ch. 11 in the KJB. You are walking on dangerous ground G-d. Note carefully v. 18-22. Angels are going about the earth cutting off or cutting asunder people and nations who oppose Israel and blotting out names from the Book of Life. Re 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. This is so important I'll post the whole chapter because I haven't seen anyone on this board yet use KJB:
**Today G-d is moving the blindness from the Jews over to the Christians! We have seen it many times! Don't believe demons who tell you that you cannot be cut off or castaway. The principle and example that you can be cut off and cast away is replete throughout the Bible from Genesis through Revelation. Please read: This is the End of the Age of the Gentiles. I saved it under the keyword "tremble". If you don't tremble after reading it, you've lost the plot entirely. 1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever. Repent! The Day of the Lord is at Hand! |
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| justme | May 29 2008, 11:37 PM Post #14 |
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Tesh you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. You quote one line of what I posted and twist it to mean something that was not intended. It seems you did this to 7 thunders too. Why don't you go back and re-read what I posted and see if you can understand what I actually meant. I never said we should not judge. I actually was agreeing with you on that passage but somehow you throw it back at me as if I were mocking you. My statement that you quoted was in referrence to how you criticized others on this thread unjustly. I am sorry if I was not more plain in my message. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 30 2008, 09:52 PM Post #15 |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 30 2008, 10:55 PM Post #16 |
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Dear Teshuvah, May the Peace of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach rest upon you~  ~7Seven |
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