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Dream of America being Punished; Whirlwind and Dark Angel
Topic Started: May 26 2008, 01:03 AM (716 Views)
AndrewJohn	May 26 2008, 01:03 AM Post #1
Unregistered	Below is a dream I had back on the night of July 7, 2007. Dream In the dream, I looked out a window, then stuck my middle finger up in the air and yelled "Screw America!"(although I used the F-word). After saying this, I heard the rustling of winds, then turned around to see a large whirlwind. There were gentile kids in the path of the whirlwind. Then suddenly I saw a dark pitch black Angel descend from the sky. The Angel began attacking the children, punching them. After many punches, the Angel looked at me, then I grabbed my siddur(prayer book) to pray and ran away. End. This dream was very intense, and upon waking up, it made me want to serve G-d even more, and to daven with all my heart and soul to merit escaping judgment and death and an eternity in Sheol.
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Teshuvah	May 26 2008, 09:57 AM Post #2
Member Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #2,175 Joined: November 20, 2007	It is understandable that you are angry at America because Bush and Condi are in the process of dividing Israel. G-d is angry too and in Jeremiah 50 & 51 about Great Babylon (America) says He will raise up the Muslims as His vengeance to destroy America. Jer 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple. See also Isaiah 13 and 47 and if you go to Revelation 17 & 18 (click here), it describes the destruction of Mystery Babylon which is America. Your conclusion to fear the L-rd and call upon Him is the correct response. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. ~Teshuvah (CZ)



AndrewJohn	May 26 2008, 11:12 AM Post #3
Unregistered	Shalom Teshuvah. Your beliefs of America being Babylon run linear to mine. I further believe that great prostitute who is seated on many waters in Revelations is the Statue of Liberty, or as what I like to call it, the Statue of Harlotry.
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Deleted User	May 26 2008, 11:58 AM Post #4
Deleted User	Okay, I can't let that one go by without a response. The Statue of Liberty represents FREEDOM and the chance for ALL countries to come to America for a 2nd chance, to be liberated from tyrannical dictators. It has been a symbol of refugees arriving here with poverty as their only friend... and they made a life for themselves, often becoming affluent and powerful persons who created huge empires of industry, i.e. automobile industry. This is not to say that this was a bad result of coming to America. It shows that even those who had nothing but dreams and hopes and aspirations, could come to this 'melting pot' called America, and have a good life. What has happened, however, is that America has become infiltrated by those who wish to destroy these dreams and to shadow them with evil. The Statue of Liberty is always going to be a symbol of freedom and the chance to make a better life than what was left behind in the 'old country.' However, the actions of contemporary residents of this country, is another story. She is NOT the harlot of Revelation. She is not a whore that deserves to be treated with disgust and degradation. What people have done in and TO America is not what the Statue represents at all. Please do reconsider this viewpoint of yours. It isn't factual. You can put the blame on our government, on politicians, on greedy businessmen, and on scientists, who put their selfish and immoral desires, above the welfare of the people.
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dinosaur	May 26 2008, 12:32 PM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 780 Group: Advanced Members Member #93 Joined: January 3, 2006	Summer-girl May 26 2008, 11:58 AM The Statue of Liberty is always going to be a symbol of freedom and the chance to make a better life than what was left behind in the 'old country.' The Statue of Liberty is an idol and will be cast down in disgrace.



kgreen20	May 26 2008, 12:36 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 1,650 Group: Advanced Members Member #96 Joined: January 7, 2006	It's only an idol if people worship it as an idol. If they do, shame on them. Symbols of freedom don't have to be idols, thankfully, and our Statue of Liberty is such a symbol.



Deleted User	May 26 2008, 12:51 PM Post #7
Deleted User	The Statue's History, .. millions of refugees have arrived at Ellis Island to escape a life of oppression and fear. Anyone who considers this an 'idol' needs to visit her and read the records of grateful immigrants. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Made of copper, the statue depicts Lady Liberty standing tall with the torch of freedom raised with her right arm. Her left hand holds a stone tablet close to her. The tablet contains the date July 4, 1776, which acknowledges and commemorates the American Declaration of Independence. The Statue of Liberty is 151 feet tall and is made from pure copper on a steel framework. Lady Liberty's thorny crown has seven points representing the seven seas. The torch represents a burning passion for freedom and contains a flame that is coated in gold leaf. The broken shackles at the base of Lady Liberty's feet represent freedom from oppression. The Statue of Liberty is one of the first glimpses that most immigrants throughout history have gotten of America when migrating through the famed and nearby Ellis Island. While some of reported over the years that the Statue of Liberty is smaller than originally, though, just as many also report that she is actually larger than anticipated. Like a build up to an acclaimed movie, sometimes expectations are high and its hard for any one thing to live up to the buildup. Since 1886, the Statue Of Liberty has received a new torch. The old torch received many modifications and repairs over the years in order to keep it solid and sound. However, in 1916 there were extensive modifications and the torch was eventually deemed to be beyond further repair. So, the original torch with gold leaf was moved inside the Statue of Liberty to the monument's museum. The new torch also has gold plating applied and includes a climate control system and elevators as well. The new torch was reopening to the public in 1986. The Statue of Liberty remains and enduring symbols of American freedom that people from the U. S. and abroad feel compelled to visit. As one of the most symbolic gestures of all time, the Statue of Liberty represents, freedom, liberty, justice and also the friendship of foreign nations who also believe in freedom and fair and equal treatment for all.
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Deleted User	May 26 2008, 12:56 PM Post #8
Deleted User	Quote: The Statue of Liberty is an idol and will be cast down in disgrace. This is one of the wackiest statements I have read on this board and I have read a goodly amount of them. The Statue was in a vision lying upon the waters, and this may actually happen in a future date. When it does, we will know for sure that the bad guys have won a battle and that America and all it has ever stood for, has been finally overcome by the evil that surrounds and has infiltrated it. Comments like this are typical of those who wish ill to this country. The country is being internally destroyed; but God has it all under control.
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AndrewJohn	May 26 2008, 01:13 PM Post #9
Unregistered	Summer, I suggest you pick up a bible and read it more often than you slander righteous people and their honest opinions.
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Rog	May 26 2008, 01:35 PM Post #10
Advanced Member Posts: 337 Group: Members Member #174 Joined: May 12, 2006	AndrewJohn May 26 2008, 11:13 AM Summer, I suggest you pick up a bible and read it more often than you slander righteous people and their honest opinions. As the wise Methuselah once said... "It's hard to reason when someone has their fingers in their ears going "la-la-la-la-la"."



SpiritIsWilling	May 26 2008, 02:06 PM Post #11
Advanced Member Posts: 520 Group: Advanced Members Member #3,594 Joined: March 22, 2008	:lol: :lol: :lol: Ok, either everything is funny to me today or I am in a wacky mood :rolleyes:
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MichaelInHisService	May 26 2008, 05:26 PM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 122 Group: Members Member #1,784 Joined: September 10, 2007	kgreen said It's only an idol if people worship it as an idol. If they do, shame on them. think of it this way..the statue of liberty is in our house (america) what would people think if they saw that you had an idol of mary or jesus in your own house. they would assume that you worship it in some way. the statue of liberty is based on the pagan god isis, also known as ishtar. God Almighty hates the statue of liberty, because it is an idol and he will deal with it at an appointed time. i'm sure that in the very near future the churches in america will tolerate and embrace the RCC idols by saying that they're not worshipping them. Michael
	Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.


Deleted User	May 26 2008, 07:12 PM Post #13
Deleted User	Mythology is simply that.. mythology. Millions and millions of Americans do NOT view, nor have they ever perceived the Statue of Liberty as anything other than a symbol of freedom and democracy. The majority of Americans are not aware of the original satanic and occult meaning of the statue's creation. They see it as a figurehead symbolizing not evil but the struggles of refugees to attain a better life, and what they endured at Ellis Island is a tribute to their determination. Dr. Bob Hieronimus has written a book which I have not read, "United Symbolism of America" in which he debunks the bizarre perceptions of those who are freemasons, satan worshipers, illuminati, and various cults of idol worship. I will post a few excerpts from commentators regarding him and his book. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ �My good friend and fellow radio host Dr. Bob Hieronimus has written a wonderful book about the symbolism of the United States of America. As he did in his cult classic study on the Yellow Submarine, Dr. Bob has traced the symbols of America that most of us take for granted, back to their original sources. In this epic book, which is as much about the nature of symbolism itself as it is about America's symbols, Dr. Bob has debunked the conspiratorial anarchists who see Satanism lurking in every corner. Instead, Dr. Bob has found that America's symbols unite us as a people. In so doing, he has written a fascinating book not only about symbols and symbolism, but about America herself. --George Noory, host of Coast to Coast AM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "�[A] book which every American should read. It is a delight to see some of the symbols, which enrich the life of America, stripped of all their cloying invention. It is a further delight to find the impoverished roots of a burgeoning modern anti-American mythology being examined in such a simple and informed way. When one lies about the archetypes, or undermines their worth - through malevolence or though lack of knowledge , one ensures that they are irrevocably weakened.� It really is time for good-thinking Americans to wake up to the threat from within. The threat does not reside in dreamed-up Conspiracies, but in a serious lack of education in moral virtues and in probity {adherence to the highest ideals; honesty} This seems to be one of the underlying themes of Dr. Hieronimus' remarkable and much-needed book." --David Ovason, author of The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill and Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "What a book! I was enthralled by this totally unique journey through the symbols that conceal the hidden truths that our country is founded on. And the thoughtful exploration of the misuse of some of our venerable symbols in modern times is sobering and eye-opening. This is an absolute original, the kind of book that everybody needs to read to truly understand who we are and why the principles on which our country is founded continue to be so vitally important to the future of the human species." --Whitley Strieber, best-selling author and host of "Dreamland" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I am a devoted follower of Dr. Bob Hieronimus. His book, The United Symbolism of America, is a "must-read"! I have seen these diversified symbols all of my life, and wondered about their meaning, but never took the time to study their background. Reflecting an enormous dedication to the "cause," this is a valuable, informative book with touches of humor. It grabs your attention and holds it through to the final page!" --Bill Mack, "The Satellite Cowboy" on XM Radio and Grammy award-winning songwriter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "United Symbolism of America" could not be more timely. It dispels several bizarre conspiracy theories regarding the symbolism reflected in the Great Seal, the Liberty Bell, the Statue of Liberty, and other American icons, revealing the profound wisdom involved in their creation. This book transcends party politics and religious sects; it contains a patriotic message for all people who would defend liberty and uphold freedom." --Stanley Krippner, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology Saybrook Graduate School and Research Center, co-author, Haunted by Combat: Understanding PTSD in War Veterans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Is our Statue of Liberty actually a monument to the Egyptian goddess, Isis? Does the arcane symbolism of our dollar bill hide a satanic conspiracy or archetypes for freedom? Is our Constitution really indebted to the Iroquois Indians for its existence? I found Dr. Hieronimus' answers to these and many other, provocative questions as shocking as they are insightful and uplifting." --Frank Joseph, editor of Ancient American ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My conclusion: Americans, for the most part, have never seen this Statue as an evil personification of the occult or of mythology. It is whatever you perceive it to be. You can either put aside the past agendas of the sculptor and others involved in its creation or you can continue to view it as a representative of mythology. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a darn." :oops Really, I don't. :rolleyes:
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Teshuvah	May 26 2008, 09:27 PM Post #14
Member Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #2,175 Joined: November 20, 2007	MichaelInHisService May 26 2008, 02:26 PM kgreen said It's only an idol if people worship it as an idol. If they do, shame on them. That is the statement of a Secular Humanist, not a Christian. If "kgreen" professes to be a Christian why does he/she mouth platitudes from the religion of Secular Humanism. If you don't know what Secular Humanism is, google for it. That statement is like a man going to a whore house and saying, "It's only an whore if I think it is a whore. It feels like my wife and if I turn down the lights it looks like my wife, so therefore it must be my wife, not a whore." He has been given over by G-d to believe a lie and as we all know, all liars go to the Lake of fire: Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. No one understanding America is Great Babylon or Mystery Babylon "wants" America to be destroyed or hates America. Jeremiah, Isaiah and Elijah all saw the danger and warned the wicked to repent. Nothing has changed. Those seeing America for what she has become still warn the wicked who most often do not understand. I'm interested in responding to the deception about the State of Liberty but am too busy at the moment to do so. I'll get back to you. Short form: The statue is occult and is important to occultists to deceive Americans. It has worked. Ro 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? America was started based on Biblical principles and at the same time had a sinful heart because of its Masonic occult beginnings. If it had yielded to godliness, it would be a godly nation. It instead yielded to sin and became bewitched. It has forgotten G-d, fallen away and become a whore because it yielded to the occult propaganda endemic in society and pumped worldwide to other nations in exchange for "aid." Ps 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all* the nations that forget God.* The only nation G-d promised to preserve is Israel. A prophet named Paul Anderson had a dream many years ago. See below. [Emphasis mine.] Quote: Dream of the Future ~ given to Paul Anderson I awoke from a dream one morning with sweat pouring down my face. The dream was simple; it showed the end and the way the people in this country would act. Here is the dream given to me by God. I was standing in a doorway looking out across the horizon. The ground directly in front of me was angled downward and the ground in the distance was angled upward. It looked like a tunnel shape going from the downward slope all the way up the hill. I could see all the way to the top of the hill. Surrounding the tunnel shape land on both sides were forest of trees. I could tell that where the tunnel was now void of trees that it once was full of them also. But the ground had opened knocking all the trees down. (I did not see this occur but the evidence of that happening was clear) There were people all around me, at least six or seven. We all saw shapes falling down from the sky. It looked as if there were fifteen to twenty of the shapes falling. Right off I knew that these fiery shapes were missiles. I stood frozen in time afraid to move a muscle. Until finally I started to move to my car. "What are those?" some asked. Other�s said "oh my God, they are meteors. Were going to get hit by meteors." Still yet another said, "those are alien ships coming." I couldn�t understand why these people couldn�t see that they were bombs. So I told them and still yet they didn�t believe. Bewildered by these people cause they could not see the truth; I opened the door to get in my car. Just then the ground started to shake. I saw flashes of light and heard loud piercing sounds. From the opened ground come weapons of warfare that were not there before. Missiles and anti guns went off all around. There were more explosions and more loud noises. I covered my eyes half way and looked back upon the people still standing outside the doorway. I could see the fear in their faces from them knowing that they were seeing a nuclear warfare. So I jumped in my car and headed North on the highway. I was amazed to see that very few people were headed North but the South side was jammed pack. I pulled onto the grassy median and I asked one of the people heading South, "Why is everyone heading South?" He replied, "Because that�s were they said we all should go." But I couldn�t understand because they were all headed right into the middle of the war. I was confused. Now there was more to this dream but this is all I will include in this book. This is enough to get across what needs to. I know this dream is very self-explaining but there were a couple of parts I didn�t understand. So I prayed to God and asked to be shown what I couldn�t understand. These are the answer�s I received. 1. Why did the people not know that bombs were falling even when they were looking right at it? �You Americans are like no others. Not before you and not after you. When the bombs start to fall on America you will not understand. You in all your safety will not think that you could be attacked. But hear this, you kill by the bomb, so shall you die that way� Listen to that people! Is it not true? We truly never think that we could get bombed like we bomb everyone else in the world. But not only can we, we will be bombed. Even as the bombs fell you wicked people were screaming meteor�s and alien�s, you had no concept that what you were seeing was missiles. You think you are safe when you are not. We are not safe. The only thing that kept us protected was the love of God. Now that we have left the "umbrella" of God, he will bring up an army to attack us. Oh the people of this country who constantly watch American planes enter other countries and bomb night and day. You American people do not understand, �you kill by the bomb, you die by the bomb.� 2. Why was everyone on the highway heading South instead of North? �The people of this country will only hear the words of those they think our in control or are highly educated. When all they have to do is hear my word and receive complete salvation. But because they will not listen to me I will send for their wise to become fools. I will show you who is in control. I know that you will not listen to me, your only hope in these coming days. You will only listen to those you think can help you, for that you shall die.� You should ask yourself why you do not "hear" what the Spirit is saying to the church. Jews understand "hear" much better than most people who claim to be Christians. Jews need to know their Messiah. Christians need to repent so they are able to "hear." G-d is not going to change Jews into apostate Christians and frankly most who missionize Jews are apostate Christians who need to repent themselves. I know I am messing with the doctrines of men in your head, but this is just pure Bible. There is a famine of UNDERSTANDING (shema) in the land. People will not endure sound doctrine. He said it would be so, and it is...as the days of Noe...they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away. In the end, He will say...What more could I have said? What more could I have done? But ye would not. Am 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing* (shema) the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. The famine is worldwide. Plenty of religious voices talking, but few hearing the L~rd. Shema is the Hebrew for "hearing" in Amos 8:11 and means: means hear/obey/understand, i.e. "We will do first, and afterwards, understand (Shemot 24:7). Unfortunately, the English word for "hear" means "to perceive sound." Big difference! When people skip "obey" either intentionally or because they are deceived, they are unfaithful and are not given understanding by G-d. That is why the wicked do not understand. Many doctrines and traditions of men have reinforced the error. Da 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;* but the wise shall understand.* Faithful Jews hear God which means "to hear/obey/understand." Shema! Apostate Christians interpret the same word hear to mean "to receive sound." Therein lies the problem. Faith without action is dead. Jas 2:26. Jesus said those who say and do not are hypocrites. Mt. 23. Quote: 8085. shama` shama` shaw-mah' a primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively, to tell, etc.):--X attentively, call (gather) together, X carefully, X certainly, consent, consider, be content, declare, X diligently, discern, give ear, (cause to, let, make to) hear(-ken, tell), X indeed, listen, make (a) noise, (be) obedient, obey, perceive, (make a) proclaim(-ation), publish, regard, report, shew (forth), (make a) sound, X surely, tell, understand, whosoever (heareth), witness. Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.* This is a link to many dreams and visions of the invasion of the US. No one can name and claim their way out of this. Invasion



METHUSELAH	May 27 2008, 03:04 AM Post #15
METHUSELAH Posts: 743 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: October 4, 2005	Not to beat a dead horse, but what exactly is edifying about sharing a dream or vision on a Christian forum in which one professes to having used the "F" word toward ANYONE in the course of a G-d given "experience"?
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Teshuvah	May 27 2008, 03:39 AM Post #16
Member Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #2,175 Joined: November 20, 2007	Quote: Mythology is simply that.. mythology. Millions and millions of Americans do NOT view, nor have they ever perceived the Statue of Liberty as anything other than a symbol of freedom and democracy. The majority of Americans are not aware of the original satanic and occult meaning of the statue's creation. The Truth is like treasure hid in a field. I prefer to know the Truth than to continue in sin and deception. The Occult is not a myth. It is real. The broad road to destruction is very broad and many are on it. Quote: My conclusion: Americans, for the most part, have never seen this Statue as an evil personification of the occult or of mythology. The Bible teaches that most people will be deceived. You can seek the Lord and ask Him that you not stay one of them. Quote: It is whatever you perceive it to be. Your perception as stated above is that of a Secular Humanist not a Christian. See my former post regarding that. Truth is absolute, not a matter of opinion. Neither is it negotiable. Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. Quote: You can either put aside the past agendas of the sculptor and others involved in its creation or you can continue to view it as a representative of mythology. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a darn." :oops Really, I don't. You can pray and ask G-d to remove your head from the sand. "Darn" is a contraction of Condemn or Damn and is a form of blasphemy, as is "Oh My God" or "OMG" seen so frequently.



Teshuvah	May 27 2008, 03:43 AM Post #17
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Wil	May 27 2008, 11:36 AM Post #18
Administrator Posts: 9,529 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Quote: QUOTE (MichaelInHisService @ May 26 2008, 02:26 PM) kgreen said It's only an idol if people worship it as an idol. If they do, shame on them. That is the statement of a Secular Humanist, not a Christian. If "kgreen" professes to be a Christian why does he/she mouth platitudes from the religion of Secular Humanism. If you don't know what Secular Humanism is, google for it. Teshuvah we do not question members christianity here when discussing issues, if one has some knowledge to share one can do so without these kind of comments, thank you. As for whether God will condemn somebody for putting a different meaning into something that had previous occultic meaning, my answer would be no, as the Lord is not a legalist but rather looks at a person's heart.



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