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| Topic Started: May 26 2008, 12:57 AM (802 Views) | |
| AndrewJohn | May 26 2008, 12:57 AM Post #1 |
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Shalom. I had a dream during the night of May 8. DREAM I was standing in the middle of the Temple Mount where the Dome of the Rock is, facing north. The Dome of the Rock wasn't there. Where I was standing, I could see 40 to 50 foot-high walls all around me. It was time for the afternoon prayers, and I had my talis and siddur in my hands and was ready to go pray at the western wall. I began looking for the wailing wall and went east at first, but then realized that was the wrong way. I traveled to the western wall and faced the wall from the most southern point. I was then suddenly moved to another point at the Temple Mount and was facing a large stone wall with a small hole near the ground on the wall. The hole in the wall was about 3 or 4 feet high, and not very wide, and there were medium-sized rocks jutting out making the opening smaller. I said jokingly in the dream "That must be the well of souls." I was then suddenly inside a small cave, and saw many smooth dark blue rocks on the floor of the cave. I picked one up and felt how smooth it was. In this cave it became quite hard to draw air into my lungs, maybe because of the lack of oxygen. The cave didn't go in very deep, I could see the end and there was light still coming in. I do not know the meaning of this dream, although the Dome of the Rock not being there made me feel very good upon waking up. Smile I somewhat laughed when I said "That must be the well of souls." because that tradition of thought is usually Islamic, and I scorn and hate Islamic ideals. The night I had this dream, I asked Hashem to give me any dream that contains revelations, I was not specific in my request. |
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| METHUSELAH | May 26 2008, 07:20 AM Post #2 |
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Hello AndrewJohn  My question involves all three posts made by you on this thread on May 25th, 2008. The various Hebrew terms you refer to lead me to wonder if you rely on extra-biblical sources for information and sustenance. At this point in time I can only hazard a guess that these names and concepts are from the Jewish tradition or from the Kaballah. The darkness, personal violence and language described is puzzling to me. This sounds mystical and unlike anything I'm used to hearing. Can you please let us know where you're coming from and what your church background might be? Thanks and welcome, TL |
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| AndrewJohn | May 26 2008, 07:32 AM Post #3 |
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Shalom. Your guess would be correct. I am Jewish and study hidden aspects of Torah and Tanakh. Hashem gives me dreams of what I wish to know at times, more so when I ask for them in prayer. I don't mean to offend anyone with my beliefs, only to convey the truths given to me in dreams. Thanks. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2008, 09:42 AM Post #4 |
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Having read the dreams, I agree with Terry's observation. It would be not only puzzling but very, very worrisome to have dreams of violence, attacks, killing, and somewhat filled with hate towards anything or anyone. I am unfamiliar with all the Jewish terminology, but aside from that, I would consider having counsellng re: those dreams, and not with a secular psychologist, but a Christian psychologist. The dream world is a manifestation, I believe, of our conscious mind and emotions and spirituality. I hope this does not offend you but you do appear to be in an unhappy state of mind. 
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| AndrewJohn | May 26 2008, 09:57 AM Post #5 |
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Hello. Well, it seams that it was your point to deliberately offend me, to even suggest that I need counseling because of a vision I received from G-d,but I am not offended, just somewhat confused as to why you would say such things. Dreams come from G-d. Some dreams contain lies, some dreams contain truths. A dream that is not interpreted is a letter unopened. I did not ask to be attacked in my other dream. In fact, I pleaded with this man to please stop attacking me. I then used the sacred name of G-d, which was previously revealed to me in a dream by an Orthodox Rabbi last year, to kill him so that I would not be killed and have to feel the bitter pain of death that I felt I didn't deserve in the dream. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I am a very peaceful man at heart, and do not wish to harm or hate anyone. I have cried while praying to G-d asking Him why does anyone have to feel any pain at all? But thinking of the thousands upon thousands of innocent Jews that have been killed by muslims angers me to no end. There are many great muslims, but just like any group of people or religious folk, there are violent people. I love my fellow Jews, think of someone threatening your family, you would be angry would you not? Just think about what I am saying.. Thanks. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2008, 10:08 AM Post #6 |
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Hi, AndrewJohn, I am only going to reply this time as the subject is not one that is in my expertise... as I said, someone who is qualified in counseling would be able to interpret for you and perhaps settle your mind about what these mean. Nor do I believe that all dreams come from God. It is true, some are filled with truths, some with lies. It is a manifestation of our subconscious mind, and sometimes we need advice on why this is happening. You should not be offended by a stranger's critique, but rather be glad that someone cared enough to reply to your outpouring. All of us deplore what is happening to the Jewish people and to Israel. It is a long, drawn-out brutality, which never seems to end. However, it will end, and the Jewish people win. They are the favored people of God. Before this, though, many, many events have to come to fruition, and it won't be an easy time. I hope that you will continue to dream but that the dreams be .. as you say you are... of a peaceful nature. 
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| AndrewJohn | May 26 2008, 10:12 AM Post #7 |
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Hello. Thanks for your response. Hopefully people will gain something from my dreams and visions. I look forward to posting any more that I have in the future. |
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| Teshuvah | May 26 2008, 10:33 AM Post #8 |
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Dreams come from G-d as you say and so do the interpretations. Ge 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.] Ask Him for the interpretation. FWIW, I believe G-d will cause the abomination on Temple Mount to be removed. Self-defense is a G-d given right, a fact that escapes Olmert and company and many peacenik Christians who have been deceived. There is a time for war! Eccl. 3:1-10. Read this perspective by Chuck Baldwin on Romans 13. No one needs counseling from anyone to understand a dream given to him by G-d. Ask Him and He will explain it when He chooses. I have found sometimes answers are not immediate but they are worth waiting for. I had a dream 35 years ago of America being attacked by Asian soldiers. It wasn't until 11 years ago that the L-rd made known to me that the Chinese would attack. Since then I've seen many others have the same or similar dream. Some Christians on this board believe the false doctrine of "Replacement Theology" and aren't going to understand anything you say. Consider the source. They need to read Romans Ch. 11 (click here) carefully and rethink their attitude toward G-d's chosen people, the Jews and then pray for the peace of Jerusalem...lest they be cut off. Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Kahane Chai. ~Teshuvah (CZ) |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 26 2008, 02:16 PM Post #9 |
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Hello AndrewJohn, I'm not familiar with your religion so I don't mean to offend you when I ask this, but what are your beliefs regarding Jesus? I know you mentioned something about Kaballah, but I'm not familiar with that either. Could you clarify please? |
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| AndrewJohn | May 26 2008, 03:25 PM Post #10 |
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I'm stopping answering questions about my personal beliefs. A person, according to Tanakh, upon receiving a dream, is supposed to give the report of the dream, and not add too many words to the actual dream report, or else the message of the actual dream/vision gets confusing. Dreams are fun and interesting, this is why I posted my dreams, that's all I have to say. Thanks. |
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| Israeli | May 26 2008, 04:16 PM Post #11 |
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Hello Teshuva, I haven't picked up any replacement theology on this board. Everyone here seems to be totally for Israel and the Jewish people, in agreement with scripture. If someone tries to post something anti-Jewish or anti-Israel, I've always seen the post refuted. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 26 2008, 07:47 PM Post #12 |
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I think that it is relevant to ask your religious background because when you post a dream or vision, we as the hearers need to know on what basis is it coming from. I believe that dreams come from God, and I also believe like Summer Girl that dreams can come from the soul of a person as well, also dreams can from from the enemy too. I am not the moderator of this forum and I do not know its rules, but I can't pay much attention to a dream or vision given by someone of another religious background, especially those that does not have Jesus as its foundation, as it could lead to confusion and deception 
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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| Shershalom | May 26 2008, 08:54 PM Post #13 |
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To AndrewJohn ~ Welcome to ALL THINGS NEW. This is a forum of jewish and gentile believers in the Messiah of Israel and of the whole world, called Yeshua, who post and frequent here most often. We can assist you in our reveiw of your dreams in accordance with what we know from the Scriptures, both the Old and New Covenants as recorded. As believers in the recorded Word of G-d, we will look upon your dreams in accordance with such. It is not a personal situation upon you, but at the same time we will look upon everything you wrtie here with an eye and ear to what Messiah Yeshua would have uys to say or write to you accordingly, Yes, AndrewJohn, we do want to see you under the totality of recorded Scripture and will state our minds accordingly. Keep a door open, and review all that you might see, read and understand here at this forum. To the open family of this forum, I know there are many strong believers here who have a great command of the Word of God, At this poiht, all we know of AndrewJohn is what he shares with us according to his knowledge. AndrewJohn indicates a Jewish background, and uses such terminology. AndrewJohn does NOT yet make indication or reference to being a believer ,,, YET! Some who read and post here can respond to him accordingly. So please be kind, and gentle and seek wisdom from above in your responses And pray for those who visit here who have not yet met Messiah Yeshua, Lord of Lords and King of Kings. |
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| Teshuvah | May 26 2008, 09:55 PM Post #14 |
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G-d said He would give dreams and visions to "all flesh." That includes unbelievers, wiccans, new agers and people of all faiths, even little children. He even wrote what they would see dreams and visions of: "wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, fire, pillars of smoke, etc." He still is the one who accurately gives interpretations by His Holy Spirit. Just because someone says they are a Christian does not mean they have the accurate interpretation. I have seen New Agers have very accurate dreams and visions of accurate events which are the judgment of G-d. They many times miss the interpretation because they are will the wicked or come to the wrong conclusions, such as they believe G-d wants to protect everyone and all dogs go to Heaven. Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.[ |
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| METHUSELAH | May 27 2008, 02:57 AM Post #15 |
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SpiritIsWilling: You could try Googling the unfamiliar words like "Tanakh" and see what turns up. 
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 27 2008, 11:30 AM Post #16 |
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Duh  Didn't think of that  Thanks Methusalah 
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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| Wil | May 27 2008, 11:46 AM Post #17 |
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The Spirit can give dreams and visions to whoever He wishes, however all that are of Him to non-believers will always be for the purpose of revealing Jesus. If they don't they can than be dismissed as either the flesh or from demons, no matter the accuracy of prophetic ones.
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 27 2008, 03:31 PM Post #18 |
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Jesus Prays for All Believers "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. "Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." ~Jesus (John 17:20-25) I pray along with Jesus, that those who belong to Him, but have not as of yet accepted Him, may come to know Him who the Father has sent. We also pray now for the Jewish people and for Israel along with Jesus. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." We cry for Jerusalem which has become a thorn and a burdensome stone. We cry for Jerusalem which is trampled by the Gentiles. We cry for the Holy Mt. which is raped and pillaged daily. The Holy City cries out in distress! We cry to the Lord! Please release her from this long captivity! Please remove the abomination from her! My Lord, we have seen it revealed that in the future, there will no longer be this hideous golden idol sitting upon your Holy Hill! We ask that it be now that you do this that you have shown us! We also ask for the precious blood of your people to be protected by mighty angels, that their blood may not cry out to you from her streets! Hear the cry rising from the sacred hill and from the precious blood of your Children, Israel! Hear our cry O Merciful Lord! Lord Jesus, please protect your people from all harm! Protect them from the evil one and from those who would persecute them in the whole earth. Protect them from the vile one who has been released in this generation! Amen. ~7Seven |
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| AndrewJohn | May 27 2008, 10:16 PM Post #19 |
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This reminds me of why I should not visit gentile sites. Relations with non-Jews ב"ה Our sages said "Do not allow yourselves to be made unclean by them, because it will leave you contaminated" (Lev.11:43): If you become ritually impure through them, you will ultimately be spiritually defiled. "For I am the L-rd your G-d, and since I am holy, you must [also] make yourselves holy and remain so" (Lev.11:44): Just as I am holy, so must you be holy. Just as I am set apart, so must you be set apart. (Torat Kohanim, Shemini, Chapter 12) A person should always remember that he must not make a partnership with a non-Jew or forge a covenant with him, for we find that Avraham made a partnership with Avimelech, and ultimately they forged a convenant with Avraham... Accordingly our sages said, "If someone makes a partnership with a non-Jew, it is as though he worships idols and forges a covenant with them. If he is a Torah scholar, he will show scorn for his Torah and profane the name of his Father in Heaven. He will squander his money, give his sons to the gentiles, slay his sons with the sword, exile them from their land and sell them to idolatry. (Tanna Devei Eliyahu Rabba,7) Likewise we learn (Ibid.,8) A person should always remember that he must not eat with a non-Jew at one table, for we find that Hezekiah, king of Judah, ate with a non-Jew at one table and ultimately was punished severely. Our sages said (Sanhedrin 104a) Because non-Jews ate at his table, he caused exile to his sons. This supports the words of Hezekiah who said, "Whoever invites a non-Jew into his home and serves him, causes exile to his sons." Tanna Devei Eliyahu, Ibid., likewise teaches: Whoever eats with a non-Jew at one table, worships idols and consumes idolatrous sacrifices. If he is a Torah scholar, he will show scorn for his Torah and profane the name of his Father in Heaven. He will squander his money, give his sons to the gentiles, slay his sons with the sword, and exile them from their land. The prohibition against social contact with the non-Jew was expanded by our sages, as Rambam explains (Hilchot Ma'achalot Asurot 17:9) There are other acts which our sages forbade. Although these prohibitions, themselves, have no Torah basis, our sages still forbade them to distance us from the gentiles lest we mingle with them and ultimately marry them. They forbade us to drink with them even where there is no suspicion of the wine having been used for idolatry. They forbade us to eat their bread or their cooking, even where we have no other fear of it being non-kosher. |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2008, 11:12 PM Post #20 |
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You know, AndrewJohn, you have been begging for a 'fight' since you arrived at this forum of Christians. I called it in my first post to you, saying you need counseling, and you have an unhappy mind. Your soul is unhappy, too. Whatever your problem is, don't foist it upon others who have prayed for you, spoken wisdom to you, and interceded in your sad behalf. I was not ever going to convey another message to you, but you need to hear it from someone, and it might as well be me. I have dealt with kids in school for many years and many of them had your attitude of self-pity. When you could not answer a simple question about your 'religious' beliefs, that was a red flag that you are not a Messianic Jew and that your posts were not of God's inspiration. My feeling is that you have mulled over what to retort all day long and finally you came up with this post stating that the Jewish people are not to have any sort of relationship with the rest of the world. That is the sort of thinking that causes Israel to be in so much trouble, don't you think? Not that I feel all people in Israel think as you do. In fact, I think you are an anomaly. If you don't feel comfortable with Christians, then please find a niche where you are happy and able to expound your ideas to an accepting crowd. Once again, I do not mean to offend you and if we met in person, I doubt I would even try to converse with you as you are a long ways out of my world. By the way, Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.. No man comes to the Father, except through Jesus Christ, our Saviour. Ponder that. 
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