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| paulphelps | Jun 30 2008, 11:17 PM Post #21 |
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Many folks have had dreams of America being divided by earthquakes. I found a text that may verify that. I believe it was the Lord that prompted me to check the original text of Rev. 16:19, "And the great CITY..." The Greek text says polis meaning 'city.' However, I have a NT translation from Aramaic manuscripts (purported to be earlier), the Hebraic-Roots Version Scriptures, and the Aramaic word here is medinata (similar to the Hebrew word m'di-nat), meaning 'province,' 'region,' or 'state.' If that is true the Rev. 16:18-19 text may be better translated as "...the great STATE..." (USA). It might in fact be the text that refers to America, that everyone has been looking for. Paul Phelps |
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| MichaelInHisService | Jun 30 2008, 11:32 PM Post #22 |
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I believe the Statue represents the pride of the U.S. and God will bring down this idol just as he did dagon, the fish god of the philistines. If only we had held our leaders accountable so that we really did fulfill our vow "Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Yet we have not and instead we have exported every kind of evil imaginable to the rest of the world and they yearn to be like us. if only we had held our leaders accountable and spoke up when they went after Afghanistan and Iraq and now a worse fate awaits us as we have lived by the bomb we are destined to die by it. This is not to say that believers will suffer the same fate as non-believers but I'm sure there were some righteous in those nations that were destroyed because of our indiscriminate killing. My heart aches for this land because we have filled the cup of iniquity and now we must drink from it. May God continue to show mercy to us all. Michael |
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Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. | |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 1 2008, 02:04 AM Post #23 |
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Hi Michael, I had a dream entitled, "Huddled Masses Bombed" Back on Oct. the 19th 2007 which I posted here.
http://all-things-new.net/topic/8668/1/#new *I thought it kind of goes with your thoughts above. And because I saw the date October 28th flash, and then I learned that it was because that was the date the statue was dedicated back in 1886, there had to be some reason for the dream and the date was verification that it was true, yet it remains to be interpreted. Is there going to be a terror attack on this date? Does this dream refer to the fall of America? Your thoughts on this would be very much appreciated. ~7Seven |
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| MoreofHim | Jul 1 2008, 08:18 AM Post #24 |
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This is clearly seen spiritually for those with eyes to see that it does refer to the beast Nation that looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon... America. Translated as 'the great STATE' it becomes obvious EVEN to those who cannot see and rely on their human logic, human reasoning and human understanding to comprehend. Either way... praise God that some might wake up and see that it is OUR nation that is the vile beast and that is a dwelling place for every evil thing... it is our Nation that looks like a lamb, but speaks (whose heart is) like the dragon. Now here is the shocker. God is referring to THE NATION that is made up of a people who call themselves by HIS name. So before you think to yourself, "God help those poor sinners and unbelievers who don't believe", you better be considering your own heart and your own naked condition and wondering whether you reflect the image of God or the image of the beast. Because we are living in the DAY when your nakedness will be revealed. Revelation 6:16-17 But for the Righteous... The Name of The Lord is a Strong Tower and they will run to Him and be safe. |
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| MoreofHim | Jul 1 2008, 08:36 AM Post #25 |
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I believe you are 100% correct Michael. The Statue of Liberty is the gateway and symbol of the free world. She once sat in glory, but through her pride and lust she has fallen and will now sit in the dust. Zephaniah 2:15 This is the exultant city Which dwells securely, Who says in her heart, "I am, and there is no one besides me." How she has become a desolation, A resting place for beasts! Everyone who passes by her will hiss And wave his hand in contempt. Revelation 18:7 "To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, 'I SIT as A QUEEN AND I AM NOT A WIDOW, and will never see mourning.' Isa 47:8-11 (NIV) "Now then, listen, you wanton creature, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, 'I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.' Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, 'No one sees me.' Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, 'I am, and there is none besides me.' Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away..." |
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| MichaelInHisService | Jul 1 2008, 09:35 AM Post #26 |
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Sherry - I wouldn't hazard a guess so let me pray and see if the Lord gives me insight into your dream. In Messiah, Michael |
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Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. | |
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| Issachar | Jul 1 2008, 10:54 AM Post #27 |
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Here are just a few of why-- America is Babylon The Babylon of Iraq will never be the financial city of the Worl, but NY is. Jeremiah 50:3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: >>Old Babylon was destroyed from the East around 600BC. The Medes and Persians diverted the Euphrates River and went in through the dry river bed and Conquered Babylon. There have been people living there through out History and today<< Jer.50:12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations [shall be] a wilderness. A dry land and desert. >>Old Babylon had no mother. It’s Father was Nimrod. Americas Mother was Britain. The hindermost Nation is the Last Nation which is the USA. There are people living there today.<< Jer 50:13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate. >> Not so today<< Jer.50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! >>The USA is the Leader of the World and Policeman.<< Jer.50:32 I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him. >> Old Babylon was not destroyed by fire.<< Jeremiah 51:1 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in ,Leb Kamai, the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind; >>There will be an uprising in the middle of the USA by terrorist, The heart of my foes.<< >>Not so with Old Babylon<< Jer.51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures. >> The USA is surrounded by many water not Old Babylon<< Jer.51:14 Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillers; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. >>Uprisings of confusion and terrorism<< Jer 51:29 to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant. >> Not so with Old Babylon<< Jer.51:58 The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; << Not so with Old Babylon<< ---------------- The Eagle (America - Babylon) will be the head of the Beast to rule over the Kings of the Earth. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 1 2008, 11:33 AM Post #28 |
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Hello ATN, I am really amazed that I would have any visons or dreams like these in the first place. When I saw the arab girl, for instance, I was with the rest of the "war mongers" in my views and my pride for America and for being American was strong. So when I felt convicted, that maybe America shouldn't be seeking revenge, and that many innocent lives would be lost, and that many lives would be ruined, I was shocked. When I started to see the visions of the Statue of Liberty, and the other statue fallen, I was not picking up on the Lord's meaning at all, my pride still blinding me. When I saw the bowl filled with the wrath of God being poured out upon America, I was shocked once again that it was actually being poured out. When I heard the words, "Come out of her!" this morning, I was still not willing to believe that God was talking about His Wrath being poured out on us for our iniquity. The views stressed above and the above visions and dreams in no way represent how I personally feel. I think that gives you one more validation that they are not from myself nor are they from my own imagination. Every time I see one of these visions or hear a message from God concerning America's judgement, I am shocked and in disbelief. Perhaps it is the same with nightbird's recent message from God. I was so unwilling to believe that it was a final judgement for us. I am still having a hard time believing that it has been written in stone and that America will be no more. I am frightened, to tell the truth, of all I have seen which goes beyond anything I have written here. I am still in constant and fervant prayer to God to heal and to restore America to the Godly nation we set out to become. I fear now that God has turned away from us. This morning as I awoke and began to pray, I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, "Come out of Her and do not partake of her iniquities, the cries of which have reached unto my Throne of Judgment. It will not be long until my hand falls upon her in righteous indignation. Even now the earth is wailing unto me. Do you not know that I can hear the pain of all the earth rising up to me, that I can smell the fires of injustice and perversion that even now fill my nostrils? For you have made a pyre of the unborn as a burnt offering to Baal, the smell of which you have never imagined. These souls cry out to me for justice and I am a Just God. Can I turn away my ears to hear them no more? I tell you I cannot even if I tried to. Your constant war is an offering to Ashtoreth. Your daily sacrifices unto her resound in my ears. I cannot turn away my ears from the horror of it for I am a Just God. Even if I wanted to block out the sound of the cries and the smell of the burning flesh, I could not. Your sexual immorality and depravity are poured out upon the throne of Ashtoreth which is full and replenished daily. Your men with your men, your women with your women, all this before the altar of Ashtoreth. I revile this abomination, and soon I will vomit it out upon your land and the filth of your iniquities will be as a plague on your generations. I have returned it to you as a plague and death. My Justice is such that I also must obey My Laws." Then I heard the Lord speak clearly to me as a sign, "Leviticus 20 is my Law which remains My Law" So you can imagine I was shocked as I began reading the title:
I posted the whole chapter, because this was what the Lord said to read although His Law extends through Leviticus. As nightbird once said, she is merely the messenger. The message is not easy to hear, my own spirit struggles against it even now. I see the writing on the wall now though, as the Lord has made it clear to me. The spirit of Baal is alive and well and being worshipped by our sins, just as if he were standing in a temple and receiving sacrifices upon his lap today. I am still in shock at the vision the Lord has just given me of this. I see a statue made of gold, all the gold of America has been poured into this image of a bull who is seated as a man. He has two horns and an evil face. His arms are outstretched over his lap to form a cradle and within his arms I see a multitude of the slaughtered innocent. But the worst of all was the smell which was the smell of decay and burning flesh combined. Even as I write this to you, I am choked by the memory of the smell. In my throat there is a hard lump and pain and tears well in my eyes. I tell you I can say no more, I can handle this odor no more and God is just. I can no longer deny that He must cleanse the earth of this putrid filth. I don't know what else to say. Please continue to pray for all true believers to be brought to safety and to be protected from the coming judgements upon the earth. All the earth is guilty of these things, no where is there not this stench. We must "Come Out Of Her" spiritually. There is no land in which to hide from the coming judgement. My heart is heavily grievous for Our One Nation Under God. There is only the defense of remaining pure of heart and pure of body and pure of soul which is a sweet fragrance to the Lord and pleases Him greatly.  May the Lord work in us all to make us Holy and pleasing to Him. Lord purify us, heart, soul, mind and body that we may be kept separate from all these things that offend you Lord, that we may "Come Out Of Her" and be the true body of Christ. This I ask in Jesus precious name and I ask us all to claim the blood of Christ anew. Lord wash us and make us clean.Amen.  ~7Seven |
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| MoreofHim | Jul 1 2008, 03:36 PM Post #29 |
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Amen 7Seven. Your dreams are very profound and I understand completely why you are so moved by them. It is an unsettling thing when your own views or understandings do not match the dream... that is how you know it is from the Lord... it is a revelation. It's important to understand that coming out of her means forsaking your foundations, your understandings, your mindsets, that have all been shaped and polluted by the WHORE. Come out of HER IMAGE and forsake everything and Seek the Kingdom of God ONLY. Coming out of her does not mean to leave the United States to head for Petra or some other location that you deem safe. There will not be a safe place in ANY CITY on earth outside of Jesus Christ. If you read in Revelations, those with the MARK OF THE BEAST are tormented. They could be living all the way in Tin buck Two (-sp) and still be reached. |
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| MichaelInHisService | Jul 2 2008, 09:35 AM Post #30 |
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Sherry - I did not get a confirmation on the date but i'll keep asking. This is what i believe the Lord is saying. The next terrorist attack will happen right under our noses. We should have seen it coming but because of sin our leaders are not thinking clearly so they will miss it and then wonder..how? The vision that you had of the hurricane is both spiritual and physical. We've had alot of time to prepare yet how many have prepared their hearts and continually keep their garments clean? When this next attack comes believers MUST NOT engage in turning in people that look arabic or muslim to you because if you do then it will be the same for you. Many innocent arabic and other brown people will be rounded up by our gov't in order to satisfy the anger of the mob. Within a short time after this they will start coming after the Christians and then many will realize where their heart is at...deny Christ and live and eat or acknowledge him and possibly, most likely die. Many pastors will turn in the names of their flock to save their own necks or to get food for their own family. In Messiah, Michael |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 2 2008, 02:40 PM Post #31 |
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Thank you Michael, I appreciate your praying for insight into my Statue of Liberty dream. I know that the date of October 28 was for confirmation that the dream was true, because I didn't know that it was dedicated back in 1886 on that exact date. The thought crossed my mind that it could actually be the date of the next terrot attack, I felt terror when I saw the date flash. When I saw that it was a date connected with the statue, I felt that it was likely only confirmation, though I am still wondering. Thank you for your interpretation, I never thought of that phrase "under our noses" that's true, that was the feeling I had with the vision of the dragon also; I had felt safe and didn't see it coming at all. Maybe that is why Al-Qaeda keeps having false alarms, to throw us off. The next time they give the orders to go ahead with the attack, we will think it is bogus also.
The reason I left my previous church was because the pastor tried to brush under the rug a sexual harrassment issue that happened with myself and another woman. I won't go into details about my ordeal, but he was just plain sick (a wolf in sheep's clothing) The other woman had been actually physically attacked with a gun; I was smart enough not to be alone with the man who was a leading contributor to a new building project that the church was into. So, when I went to the pastor, he didn't believe me, then I got the other woman to tell the pastor also with me, and even after she did, the pastor and his wife were busily trying to explain away his actions and keep us quiet. The final straw came when he let the man continue his bible study groups in the room next to my singles bible study that I lead. I left the church because I couldn't trust the pastor to protect his flock. If a pastor lets the wolves at the flock for financial gain, he is a false pastor, not taking care of the sheep and completely worthless. The situation has ruined me for life, I'm afraid I will never fully trust another church or pastor. The Lord has said to me, "Trust In Me Only!" I have taken the stance to love, but remember that I do not have to trust everyone. And here's the message for us all: Be ready to flee a church if the pastor turns out to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, do not put you and your families lives in his hands for he is the worthless shepard in diguise. You will need to rely on the Savior Jesus Christ only in the coming days of distress. My friends, I have been put through terrible things because the enemy knows that I know the Lord and carry His Cross. I carry a message from the Lord to pick up your cross and deny yourself and follow Him. I have litteraly felt attacked and chased out of church by the enemy; but I continue to speak and to warn The Lord's Beloved Sheep, because He has assigned this to me as well as to others here. I can see the mantle of the Lord upon many of your shoulders, I know it well and I can see it when someone is bearing His Cross. Yes, MoreofHim... Coming out of her, is a thing we must do in our hearts. The Lord said another thing to me yesterday. After you have come out of her.... "Do Not Look Back!" Lot's wife looked back and was destroyed, it will be the same for us. Looking back can be hard to define in these times, but we know when we are doing it. I used to be a dancer in a performing group that would perform around CA. and Nevada. We would get dressed up and wear a lot of make-up and wear little costumes. I grew up like this, I didn't know anything at all about modesty. I was innocent, but mislead by my Mom who brought me up immodestly. I dropped out of the show after I became serious about my faith and felt that the show was too worldly and my heart was no longer in it. I also play the guitar, sing and write music and used to be in a band with my Mom called Blue Velvet (It was kind of like Heart.) So I vowed to only write and sing for the Lord. Once in a while a test will come up and I find my heart looking back. "It would be good money to get back in the band! Sheri please!" My Mom would say. I go over the current songs the band is playing and see that they are all about sex, drugs and rock & roll, even a little witch craft (Black Magic Woman) So I have to decline, but I would still feel a longing to get back on the stage and live that life and once in a while I will feel a twinge in my heart to be perfectly honest. I can tell it is only the enemy tempting me, and I say no with frustration. That twinge I felt in my heart, was looking back. My Mom will go to Vegas or to another casino and make plenty of money and I will have to stay here and starve as usual. That is a big sacrifice, when not looking back means that you will not be eating for a few days. I consider it a fast for the Lord and I grow stronger to be able to withstand the temptations of the enemy. I will cry until I can't stop vomiting because I am so tired and hungry and weak. But I have won a battle for my heart and will receive my reward in heaven for it instead. I also had several friends who were in our performing group who had turned to exotic dancing to make more money. I admit, it sounded good at times when I was in my early twenties, how they were able to buy cars straight out with cash, buy beautiful clothes and have a higher standard of living than I had but I am a Child of God and remained undefiled by greed, none-the-less. There will be similar situations in your lives also, where you may have an opportunity to get a lot more money, if you were to only do this, or that, but as Jesus was tempted by the devil with the "All The Kingdoms of the World" We too must fight the Kingdoms of this World and store up treasures in heaven. You store up for yourselves treasures on earth in many ways, it's not just saving money, God has nothing against saving money and being a good steward. Treasures on earth are piling up for some of us with every yes we say to the world and every no we say to God. Will you work this Sunday? If yes, then you can add a treasure on earth. If you say no, you will add a treasure in heaven. Do you have any idea how many jobs I have had and refused to work one single Sunday? Do you know what a cross that is when the boss lowers your hours to 8 hours a week because you refused to work on a Sunday? If I had worked on Sunday, my hours would be like the other people in the world and I could pay my bills, have a decent roof over my head. I could explain it away as a necessity to live, but I still would never work one Sunday, my heart for Jesus Christ would not let me. The Lord has stored up for me treasure in heaven for this, I know, but as for life on earth, it gets difficult. I suppose this is a portion of my testimony, but it is only a small fraction of it. Merely to be tempted is not wrong; The Lord Himself was tempted in this manner. But the Lord tells me what is wrong is if your heart has such a strong temptation as to look back such as Lot's wife did. Fleeing a burning city is not easy, but it is the only thing we can do. What are some things in your life that are for you a burning Sodom & Gomorrah? This is what we must ask ourselves and weed out the tares of our hearts, in this way we are to be ready for The Lord. 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