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| 7SevenThunders7 | Mar 13 2008, 09:22 PM Post #21 |
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 Thank you!The smilies were trying to help as visual aids! lol! They also tried to lighten up a terribly unfunny issue for me. Some of the visions have been terrifying and the dreams were realistic as if I was actully there, I felt as well as saw these things.  ~7Seven
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| Rog | Mar 13 2008, 10:06 PM Post #22 |
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Depending on who, or what you believe, IF the U.S. is Babylon, then she will reign supreme and have world dominance after WWIII. Afterwards the world will be split into four economic unions that comprise the NWO. The U.S. will be attacked, but will win the war, which will allow the U.N. to set up a one world government. It is at this time, the Jewish people will rebuild the Temple. From one of the four economic unions, the Anti-christ will rise secretly and unnoticed. Lion, Leopard, Bear, and Ten Horns. The woman will be riding the beast, she will obtain great wealth and prosperity from the beast, but the end will be total destruction. In One Hour... Undoubtedly Rome will be the new capital of the EU and that is where the anti-christ will rise from. The Holy Spirit shows us this in the book of Daniel. It parallels Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanes, to the rise of the Harlot and the Anti-christ. |
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| kgreen20 | Mar 13 2008, 11:05 PM Post #23 |
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Yes, and Rome will be the "Babylon" prophesied in the Book of Revelation--the political and economic capital of the world that will meet sudden, permanent, total destruction. |
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| lionschild | Mar 13 2008, 11:16 PM Post #24 |
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Seven This sounds pretty much right on to me. Not that my opinion really matters but it seems many others have had dreams and visions along these same lines. With all these warnings lately that Judgement is at the door ive been thinking it could well be an economic crash that gets the ball rolling. Thanks Seven
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| julieann | Mar 14 2008, 05:56 AM Post #25 |
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Need some help please. Can someone go on RITA and ask Glorybound "WHY" she posted Dave Wilkerson's prophecy under the heading, "A FEARFUL THING" I don't think Pastor Wilkerson named this prophecy, a fearful thing, did he? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks http://pub48.bravenet.com/forum/4086901292/show/728179 A FEARFUL THING~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilkerson’s Word: It's about to happen---very soon, one nation, and I'm speaking prophetically--if I've ever heard anything from God in my life, I heard it-the nations,...Very soon a European or North African or Eastern nation is going to default on it's international loan and when that happens, within two weeks, Mexico is going to default. Mexico owes $100 billion ---80% of it to American banks---and here's what is going to happen: about two weeks after the first country goes bankrupt, (we're going to survive that, because most of that (money of the first country) is owed to European banks---German, Swiss and French banks---) but a second country is going to go down, probably Argentina or Brazil, and we'll kind of live that down and say: "Well, maybe it's not going to hurt," but two weeks after the first country goes down, Mexico's going to default on $100 billion. And when the banks open the next day at 9 in the morning, $15 billion an hour is going to be withdrawn from our American banks---they're going to be running our banks---the Arabs---All the Latin American countries, they're going to be running our banks--and before the day is over, the U.S.A is going to have to declare a "bank holiday." SIX MONTHES OF HORROR: And we're going into six months of the worst hell America has ever seen---there's going to be chaos---not even the National Guard's going to be able to quiet it down---we're going to have to call out the whole U.S. Army. Now I've had visions recently, for I've been in New York City and I was in Macy's in a vision, and I saw people walking around stunned because they couldn't get their money out of the bank. Now I'm going to give you a word of advice, the first country goes bankrupt---I've documented this and I've got it sealed in an envelope, and I'm going to call all my friends and I'm telling you---this is the first time I've said it in a public meeting like this---but the first country that bellies up, you go get every dime you have---church get your money out of the bank--because there's going to be a bank holiday and you won't be able to get a dime for six months. Now, of course, there's going to be -restored, but the nation will never be like it is again. There's going to be fear like we've never known---judgment at the door. When I was at Macy's Dept. store in a vision and I watched people walking around stunned, they didn't know what to do, they didn't know what was happening; then a bunch of people walked into Macy's and suddenly went wild and began to steal and within an hour everybody---I saw the spirit of everybody in the store---they were robbing and stealing---they raped Macy's and destroyed five floors---Macy's was raped and ruined in a period of an hour or two. " |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 14 2008, 07:45 AM Post #26 |
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More confirmation and details about the order of the coming judgment as seen by David Wilkerson's and written about in his 1985 book "Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth." This is an excerpt. And it closely matches what 7Seven has been shown and also what Ken Peters' saw in his prophetic dream. I have also heard from the Lord regarding this... and have been shown that when this judgment begins, our redemption is in the midst. From the book: ..."America is going to be destroyed by fire! Sudden destruction is coming and few will escape. Unexpectedly, and in one hour, a hydrogen holocaust will engulf America -- and this nation will be no more. "America has sinned against the greatest light. Other nations are just as sinful, but none are as flooded with gospel light as ours. God is going to judge America for its violence, its crimes, its backsliding, its murdering of millions of babies, its flaunting of homosexuality and sadomasochism, its corruption, its drunkenness and drug abuse, its form of godliness without power, its lukewarmness toward Christ, its rampant divorce and adultery, its lewd pornography, its child molestations, its cheatings, its robbings, its dirty movies, and its occult practices. In one hour it will all be over. To the natural mind it is insanity to come against a prosperous, powerful nation and cry out, 'It's all over! Judgment is at the door! Our days are numbered!' The Church is asleep, the congregations are at ease, and the shepherds slumber. How they will scoff and laugh at this message. Theologians will reject it because they can't fit it into their doctrine. The pillow prophets of peace and prosperity will publicly denounce it. "I no longer care. God has made my face like flint and put steel in my backbone. I am blowing the Lord's trumpet with all my might. Let the whole world and all the church call me crazy, but I must blow the trumpet and awaken God's people. Believe it or not, America is about to be shaken and set aside by swift and horrible judgments. Many other praying believers who have been shut in with God are hearing the very same message - 'Judgment is at the door! Prepare, awaken!'" Later in the chapter-- an attack from Russia, and "The great holocaust follows an economic collapse in America. The enemy will make its move when we are weak and helpless... America will not Repent... God promised to preserve America only if it turned from its evil... This nation has not repented but has turned its back... I see Almighty God even now slowly turning His back on this nation. America is on the verge of committing the unpardonable sin by resisting the Holy Ghost. Soon, there will be repentance only for individuals, but not for the nation." |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 14 2008, 07:58 AM Post #27 |
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Sorry Juliann, I can't seem to locate the source of this prophecy... I was certain that it is from David Wilkerson, but I cannot find the original, only excerpts. I read on another thread that this prophecy may not even be from David Wilkerson... it sounds like him to me, and it seems to echo the warnings of many of his sermons. So I don't know... If you find it... let me know! I would love to validate the authenticity of this message. |
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| Wil | Mar 14 2008, 08:32 AM Post #28 |
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It is from Wilkerson, here is a thread on it here: http://all-things-new.net/index.php?showto...t=0#entry890000 |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 14 2008, 09:13 AM Post #29 |
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Hey Wil, ... just wondering if anyone can locate the original source document of this prophecy? I found a mention of it on a website, not World Challenge, saying that it is an excerpt from a conference DW he gave in the 80's... I can find the source for all the other prophecies that DW gave, and have no doubts whatsoever about the annointing of David Wilkerson, as I've stated over and over. He is most certainly a man of God and a Jeremiah type for America. And like I said, it sounds like it could be DW's, as the theme in this particular prophecy is echoed in many other written and verbal sermons of his. I only ask because someone on another thread (Fulfilled prophecy) has raised concern over the authenticity of this particular prophecy. I just hate it when Satan casts doubt... so if we can verify the source... we can blow the enemy's cover. Can you pull any strings at TSC to verify this particular prophecy? |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 14 2008, 09:16 AM Post #30 |
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Here is where the controversy over this prophecy originated... http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?=&p=200929 |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 14 2008, 09:25 AM Post #31 |
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Also, below is the written response that a user on Fulfilled Prophecy received from World Challenge Ministries when they inquired about this specific prophecy" http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?=&p=200929 "Thank you for contacting our ministry. We have received many letters, e-mails and questions from concerned friends regarding a prophecy that has been circulating in cyber space attributed to David Wilkerson. Please know that we are not circulating this prophecy and do not know who is. You will not find it in any of our publications or materials. It was not preached at the Times Square Church, but a number of years ago was given (in essence) at a special meeting, which someone evidently taped and has circulated ever since. Reverend Wilkerson addresses financial and economic conditions of the world in many of his messages. He has preached messages in which he quotes statistics from current (at the time) secular news magazines, articles and newspapers, that make reference to the economy of the world and the United States and the near economic collapse. These statistics do sound a little like the prophecy that is being circulated, however, we would recommend that you order Reverend Wilkerson's tapes and hear his sermons in their entirety. Should you be interested in these particular messages, they are tape #557,"The Secret of Strength in Perilous Times," and tape #558, "I Shall Fear No Evil." These tapes may be special ordered for $3 each + $2 for postage and handling. You may send your order along with payment to the Lindale, Texas address below. These sermons were never published as messages in the Times Square Church Pulpit Series, so we do not have them in printed form. You may also call in a credit card order at 903-963-8626. We accept Visa, Discover, American Express and MasterCard as a method of payment. Again, thank you for your interest and your concern. May the Lord be with you. World Challenge, Inc. David Wilkerson Ministries PO Box 260 Lindale, TX 75771-0260 Phone: 903.963.8626 Fax: 903.963.5186 texas@worldchallenge.org www.worldchallenge.org" I only make an issue of this because there are some who are holding fast to the sign posts given in this prophecy... |
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| Rog | Mar 14 2008, 09:30 AM Post #32 |
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According to the Word, America will be in her hay day during the time of her destruction. Revelation 18:7-8 7."In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, 'I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.' 8."Therefore her plagues will come in one day-- death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. If Russia is the one that destroys America, it is by the order of the anti-christ that they do so. Revelation 17:16 16."And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. It will be done by space based nuclear weapons. Revelation 6:13-14 13.And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14.Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. The blast will be so intense, that it will literally shake the entire earth, and will cause Islands and mountains to be moved. Concerning Americas economy, David Wilkerson also said there will be a call to revamp the worlds economies. Which would suggest, a new world system will emerge. Unfortunately many Christians will believe America will be destroyed when she is down because of economic crisis. This mindset will be preached from the pulpits. But when the economy is finally restored, and order is restored to the cities, she will turn on Christians with a vengeance, and persecution of Christians will prevail. With Islam brought low, the only terrorists to go after will be Christians. According Jesus' own words, this will happen after WWIII. Matthew 24:7-9 7."For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8."All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9."Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. Luke 21:10-13 10.Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11."And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 12."But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 13."But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. At no time in history has this happened yet, so it still must be in the future. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Mar 14 2008, 07:13 PM Post #33 |
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 Rog,I actually wrote a more complex answer for you all about The Whore of Babylon based on Revelation 17 but scrapped it because it was too complex. So I will just say, the first title in her name is: MYSTERY I know many people consider America to be the Queen of Babylon. I personally disagree with this view. She rides the Beast which appears to be Rome. She is drunk with the blood of the saints. My interpretation is that she is the spirit in the world that persecutes Christians both in the past and today as did ancient Rome. She is the Spirit of the Anti-Christ. She is like the Anti-Church or the Anti-Bride of Christ and this spirit is alive in the whole earth today, not only in America, and she is not America herself. Then why does the Beast hate her? Because he is the opposite of Christ loving his Bride. Satan hates all mankind, even those who persecute the saints. Satan even hates satanists. He hates everyone and everything, he is pure hatred, pure evil; he is the opposite of the Lord God, as God is love and God is pure love. Sound too simple? It's my personal view, not an issue which makes a person a Christian such as believing in the Lord. My Visions may not equal everything that everyone has been saying or seeing or interpreting. All I do is tell you what was shown to me in the spirit. Eventually, the Euro will take over the dollar. It is true that I don't know for sure in what order it will occur. Will the Euro take over a thriving dollar? I don't think so, I forsee a crash in the market first, according to what I have seen. We will still have our precious jewels, just not our cash! lol! We must have some gold and silver to throw into the streets afterall. Another point on the Rapture: "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake....But he who endures to the end shall be saved." ~Matthew 24:9 *This and other verses is why I'm not sure we'll all be raptured/resurrected untill after the trib. We will be hated because of the Lord's name. Who else besides a Christian would be hated because of the Lord's name? If you read Revelation often, you get the picture. No matter what other views have sprung up. Yeah I said it, sprung up. I don't believe it has been a view since the time of Christ. We know that the Lord will return and we look for His return. He said he would return the same way they saw Him go up into the clouds, that he would come again in the clouds. I believe this. Then the dead in Christ will rise first, then the living that remain will be caught up to be with him in the air. Yep. Doesn't say if we escape the tribulation. I know that all Christians have a cross to bear, that we are made more like him through our crosses. Some Christians have had actual crosses and were crucified, many have been martyred over 2000 years, many more are still persecuted, many more will be martyred and persecuted in the future. Many are saved from all kinds of troubles, many have been saved from all kinds of troubles and many more will be saved from troubles to come. But whether they are martyred or saved from trouble, they have glorified the Lord. The reason we are alive.  Let us all glorify the Lord with every ounce of our blood,whether spilled or within our veins. We live for Christ, and we die for Christ. ~7Seven |
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| Daniel | Mar 14 2008, 11:21 PM Post #34 |
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Dear Seven, I believe that you are wrong since Jesus is the Father. It is impossible that Jesus DID NOT KNOW THE TIME. There is only one God Jesus. If one say that the Father arrange everything but Jesus does not know the time. How weak is Jesus. The big falling away already happened among those so called Dead heart christians. SDA deny the day Jesus was risen and Mormon deny the the oneness of Jesus with the Father. JW deny the God Head of Jesus.... All of them claimed that they are dead heart christians. But they are not. One day, Jesus will come and say to them: I never knew you. Go away from me, you evil doers. They might say: Lord, do we heal the sick and drive out the demons in your name? Do we prophessy in your name? Jesus will say to them: Go away, you evil doers, I never knew you! Repent and the kingdom is at hand. Praise the Lord, Daniel |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Mar 15 2008, 11:09 AM Post #35 |
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Hi Daniel, I hope you weren't saying that I was an evildoer who prophesies in His name! Perhaps you have forgotten that those were the words of Christ Himself, I have highlighted in red the words of Christ Himself as do most bibles so that even slightly out of context, you will still know it is the Lord who is speaking. It is under "The Day and Hour Unknown" which happens to be the title: Matthew 24 Signs of the End of the Age 1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time. 26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. 29"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c] 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. The Day and Hour Unknown 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. 45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. To think that I would deny that Jesus is God! It really angers me, and I'm sorry if I am offended at your tone to me in that post. I want to have the Lord's heart. I want to love as in 1 Corinthians 13 I don't want to be easily angered, nor remember an offense and hold it against you. I didn't give the word in order to satisfy myself in any way, it was out of love for my sister who asked me to post "what would happen next" I tremble at the thought of giving a false prophecy in the Lord's name. I wish to erase the word soon after everone has read it. I am sharing it with my friends but don't wish it to spread or for people to hold it up as anything that they should measure other prophecies to >>> 1 Corinthians 13 Love 1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. [/u] 8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. ~Remain In Him Always, To Do This You Must Die To Yourself~ ~7Seven |
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| Wil | Mar 15 2008, 11:43 AM Post #36 |
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Don't think he is referring to you Sheri but he can clarify. Lisa since Wilkerson's church is so big it is quite difficult to have any kind of contact with Wilkerson (or any of the other pastors) especially since he is not there much so it would probably be difficult to get anything much different than what World Challenge gave however I do know Wilkerson's speaking style very well and that prophecy completely sounds like him so combined with W. Challenge response saying that it was given at a special meeting I would say that it most likely is legit. |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 15 2008, 11:43 AM Post #37 |
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Yeah... I understand Wil. We'll just have to trust in the response that TSC sent to the other believer on Fulfilled Prophecy... they denounced this particular prophecy as being from David Wilkerson. |
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| Wil | Mar 15 2008, 11:48 AM Post #38 |
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 Sorry Lisa I got distracted while I was posting my response and hit the post button by mistake before I was finished writing, actually from what I read of the response they do appear to say it was from him , re "but a number of years ago was given (in essence) at a special meeting."
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| Daniel | Mar 15 2008, 02:31 PM Post #39 |
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Dear Seven, I hope not. But be careful. If you still think that Jesus does not know the time, I will personally ignore whatever you said. Repent and do not miss His grace. In Love, Daniel |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 15 2008, 03:01 PM Post #40 |
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Daniel... with all due respect. You said the same thing to me. For heaven's sake. Stop harrassing the saints of God. :amen Wil... I am very sorry... I completely missed the part where TSC acknowledged that it was from an earlier meeting. Thanks for pointing that out!!!!! |
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