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| Topic Started: Mar 10 2008, 06:29 PM (1,908 Views) | |
| detmi7mile | Mar 10 2008, 06:29 PM Post #1 |
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I recently came from a missions trip to Atlanta with myself and about 20 other college students from my church. It was awesome. So much prayer (esp for the colleges in that area), worship, community cleanup, and also feeding the homeless. But anyways during one of the days we were praying, I got this vision: I could see the whole sphere of the earth with America in my view. All of a sudden I saw fire begin to burn from the west coast to the east coast in turn setting the whole country on fire. Immediately after that, I saw a black hole form in the middle of the country (around Kansas) then that spread throughout the whole country until it was all black. All this time as well I saw a figure which looked to be in angel, in a white robe and crown, holding a staff. The interpretation one of the leaders gave me was a period of great revival followed by a period of sorrow or judgement. |
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| MoreofHim | Mar 10 2008, 08:04 PM Post #2 |
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Detmi7mile, the interpretation the elder gave you sounds right. That's exactly what I was thinking when I read your words. Plus, it seems to bear witness to what I believe the Spirit has shown me. It also fits what Ken Peters prophesied as a short period of great miracles amidst much turbulence, then complete darkness. |
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| Teshuvah | Mar 14 2008, 09:14 PM Post #3 |
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* First, interpretations belong to G-d, not man. Seek Him and ask Him for an interpretation rather than man. Ge 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. If you are a sheep then you will hear (obey: Shema*) His voice. (Jn 10:27). If don't obey Him then you won't hear His voice and you are not a sheep (Jn 10:26). Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear* my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: The correct and Jewish understanding of "hear" (Shema) is "We will do first, and afterwards, understand" (Shemot 24:7). Yeshua said, Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. In other words, one must obey (do) first before G-d gives that one understanding. * Second, consider that Revival as it is taught in churches today is a false doctrine that exalts man's will over G-d's will. The Bible says the angels preach the gospel, not men. Re 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, I have not seen anyone saved in the old fashioned Biblical sense since 1998 except into apostate Antinomian (Click here) Christianity. An antinomian is an antichrist. Those who know know. Those who don't know, don't. The command was "come out of her" not stay and pray that G-d will change His mind. Who is in charge? Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. America is long past the time of II Chron 7:14. Read v. 13 and see Who sends the problems. Wanting things to happen when the Bible says they won't is Witchcraft and Secular Humanism. Humanism says man is center, not G-d. G-d is not going to come down and bless an ungodly nation and world which has forgotten Him. He turns those nations into Hell, just as he does those who oppose Israel. Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Ps 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. I am well aware that this is not the same as is taught in the mainstream church on the broad way to destruction and to those who love the commandments of men more than the Word of God. Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. * Third, as to the black hole in the middle of the country, read this Interesting Prophecy about the potential natural gas explosion built up under the continent of the United States. This is very dangerous and could cause the big hole in Kansas and far worse. Part of the area involved is a nuclear dump which, if exploded, would sent radioactive material around the world. ~Teshuvah |
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| Wil | Mar 15 2008, 10:53 AM Post #4 |
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That prophecy is posted and discussed here in the Watching section. There is nothing wrong with going to others to seek interpretation, God can give these to anybody He chooses. Nobody saved since 1998? What group are you a part of Teshuva? |
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| BANDS | Mar 26 2008, 05:25 PM Post #5 |
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Hello Teshuvah, Will, and whomever is reading, As the person who issued it, allow me to add to the prophecy you mentioned regarding the destruction of America by fire. After America's economy crashes in midway to the third quarter of 2008: After she has squandered all her grain on making ethanol, to include depleting her national grain reserves: and finds out that neither China, Australia, nor any of her other sources will sell her grain due to shortages at home: We as Americans, will experience the most severe famine in all recorded history; A famine so severe that fathers will eat their own children. Intertwined with which, will be a severe strain of flu which science will eventually determine has been spread by the droppings of birds who migrated north after becoming diseased by the stagnant, toxic waters of Katrina, whose feces has found its way into our food supply through produce. After which, The Most High God will destroy America with a fire that can never be quenched, by igniting the Hugoton Panhandle Natural Gas Reserve, which will eventually burn America and both her neighbors off the face of the earth. All of which will take place before George W. Bush leaves office. And immediately after which, Jesus, The Risen Christ, will receive His Kingdom on earth. All of which is vividly described by Daniel 7:9-14, and discerned at: http://www.theamericannightmare.org/71_dan...n_9-14_A-D.html Vince Diehl[SIZE=7] |
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| kgreen20 | Mar 26 2008, 05:56 PM Post #6 |
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Huh??? Jesus' kingdom will start immediately after President Bush leaves office??? Hardly! The Tribulation has to take place first. Jesus isn't going to come down to earth to take command and rule until that's over. Methinks this has the earmarks of a false prophecy. |
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| lionschild | Mar 26 2008, 11:16 PM Post #7 |
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Ya, Id say thats kinda rushing things just a little. |
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| Teshuvah | Mar 27 2008, 06:45 AM Post #8 |
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The Jews believe and have hard evidence that they already are in Tribulation and have been since Sharon went up to Temple Mount. Some Rabbis call it the time of Jacob's Trouble now. Christians aren't going anywhere until G-d restores the Jews. American's Tribulation began with 911 which gave GWB (called "Gog" in Hebrew) the legal right to open the Social Security Fund, and the excuse to attack Afghanistan. Magog is located in an area over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran. If you are looking for a Gog and Magog war, there was one. See Hashem1 » Gog & Magog: Locating Magog, particularly this  In addition, the storms and major natural events are the judgments of G-d in the earth NOW. Ps 105:7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth. |
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| kgreen20 | Mar 27 2008, 10:32 AM Post #9 |
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If the Jews think they are already in the 7-year Tribulation, then they are sorely mistaken. The Antichrist hasn't taken control of the earth yet. In fact, none of the seals have been opened, as yet. What the world is currently experiencing are birth pangs. God's wrath hasn't been unleashed, as yet, since we're still in the Church Age, the Age of Grace. Once we're removed, though, it'll be a very different story! I'd say that what the world is experiencing now is a preview of how bad things will get once the Church is in Heaven with Jesus. It's like the outer bands of a hurricance: as the hurricane itself approaches, the outer bands pass over, giving you a taste of what the hurricane itself will be like when it arrives. But the storm wall itself hasn't hit, as yet. Right now, we're in the outer bands, to use the hurricane metaphor. The storm wall is rapidly approaching, but it won't pass over until the Rapture has taken place and the 7-year covenant with the Antichrist has been confirmed, officially beginning the Tribulation. Kathy G. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | Mar 27 2008, 01:03 PM Post #10 |
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I would have to agree with Kathy. If the Jews think that they are in tribulation now, then the real tribulation will be a rocker. The Jews are going to be persecuted so badly that they will have to flee to Petra where God will supernaturaly care for them. |
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| MoreofHim | Mar 27 2008, 01:18 PM Post #11 |
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It's not the jews that are in for a shocker. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 9 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God." Romans 2:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 |
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| kgreen20 | Mar 27 2008, 02:30 PM Post #12 |
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Are you into replacement theology, MoreofHim? |
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| Teshuvah | Mar 27 2008, 09:11 PM Post #13 |
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Put yourself in Jewish sandals and reconsider. Read this link and view the photos: There is No Diplomatic Solution! The Tribulation the Jews are suffering is meant to come to you next because the Muslims say they will "Kill the Saturday people first and then the Sunday people."
If the Sumatra quake and tsunami which killed "more than 225,000 people in eleven countries, and inundated coastal communities with waves up to 30 meters (100 feet)" was just a birth pang then Woe to those in the way of the real thing! "The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was an undersea earthquake that occurred at 00:58:53 UTC December 26, 2004, with an epicentre off the west coast of Sumatra, Indonesia. The earthquake triggered a series of devastating tsunamis along the coasts of most landmasses bordering the Indian Ocean, killing more than 225,000 people in eleven countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 meters (100 feet). It was one of the deadliest natural disasters in history." Source Katrina was clearly G-d's response to Bush urging the eviction of religious Jews from Gaza. See Katrina -- The Fist of God. and America, I fear for you by Stan Goodenough. If Katrina did not impress you, then consider that Bush pushed for the Annapolis decision which is effectively the US holding Israel down while it is raped by the Muslims and that he is still going ahead with his Roadmap to Hell. See Gang-Rape in Annapolis - Saudi Style. America has sowed and it shall reap...pressed down, shaken together. G-d's promise to destroy all nations which come against Jerusalem does not excuse America. The Bible says there are many antichrists. There are many candidates. This is a link from 2002. 1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. "Many" are those who make up the New World Order which is occult, antisemitic and antichrist. Yeshua warned about deception in the end times. Look up "Beware" in the Bible. Nowadays most Christians think they have arrived and they don't have to Beware. They have been conned by globalist propaganda into being secular humanists (meaning man is center) instead of Christians (G-d is center). You cannot just have everything you want when it conflicts with scripture. We are to seek the Father's will, not our own. Yeshua also said: "Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Note the word is "after" not "before." Please read The Theory of the Rapture by James G. Cammarata. The Pre-Trib strong delusion has been around since at least 70 AD. The wolves have come and made merchandise of you. You have given them your money in exchange for your soul and because you have yielded to them, you are servant to obey them and promote their false doctrine. Wake up! As for the Church Age and the Age of Grace, please read this article about David Michael's vision This is the End of the Age of the Gentiles. I have it saved under the word "Tremble." I urge you to do so. It is a true word from the Lord. The promises for restoration were to the Jews not to Christians. Too many Christians have boasted against the branches (the Jews) and have been cut off. Ro 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Ro 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Prophet Noah Troyer stood up from a coma in 1878 and prophesied that America had 120 years and then the end would come and no one would be able to repent. 120 years from 1878 was 1998. 1878 was the year of the first settlements in Israel. The only persons I have seen saved into a true and holy walk with G-d since 1998 have Jewish blood in their veins. Repent, the Day of the Lord is at Hand! |
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| Wil | Mar 29 2008, 11:27 AM Post #14 |
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Teshuvah this is the second time you have made this statement, be aware that this forum does not allow the promotion of cultish beliefs, please leave them at the site of the group that you associate with, thank you. |
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| Issachar | Mar 29 2008, 03:23 PM Post #15 |
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Having Jewish blood has nothing to do with salvation. Most of the Jews in Israel are secular and don’t believe in Jesus as the redeemer. |
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| Dave-BNBIH | Mar 30 2008, 05:12 PM Post #16 |
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No prophecy coming out of the mouth of man takes precedence over the written Word, so if the prophecy does not agree with the Word, then the person giving it is taking a very serious risk by even speaking it or writing it down, for everyone will give account for every word that has proceeded out of our mouths, and if the words of our mouth lead the babes to sin, then the penalty is much worse. Take heed! God will not be mocked! As far as the statement that everyone being saved since 1998 has Jewish blood, there is no proof one way or the other without a blanket DNA test, which ain't gonna happen. But, it is possible that very many of the Believers of today may have Jewish blood somewhere in their lineage, but having Jewish blood running in their veins has nothing to do with their Salvation, it is their faith in the Sacrifice that Jesus of Nazareth faithfully offered unto God for the sins of the world. ************************************************************** On another point, I agree that the US has earned judgement and He will pay the wage that she has earned in double. This overproud nation has almost fulfilled her part in the preparation for the Time of Jacob's Trouble,,and will have very little part in the events during this time God has set aside to finish Israel's payment for their sins and iniquities. |
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Selah! Shalom! MYITAUT! Beloved Noble Bright/Illustrious House Servant of the Most High God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Father and God of our Savior, Lord, and Great High Priest, Jesus of Nazareth:-) | |
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| kgreen20 | Mar 30 2008, 05:23 PM Post #17 |
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No, He won't. And I agree that any modern-day prophecies have to line up with God's Word. |
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| detmi7mile | Mar 30 2008, 07:35 PM Post #18 |
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Why do you believe that the U.S. is just exempt from any judgement as if this is some holier than thou nation might I ask? I believe the only reason serious judgement hans't come upon the nation is because of the prayers of faithful christians knowing what can happen if the praying stops like many who are just biding time waiting for the rapture to happen. Many people I know can't wait for judgement to come because for them, that means its rapture time!! My senior pastor has many churches over in Kenya and if you look at Kenya, all the nations around it have had serious troubles like genocide, etc, but Kenya has had a mandate to be a praying nation and our apostle and many others in that nation prophecised much like many here in the U.S. are propheseying about judgement here, that if they were to stop the prayers, the same thing would come to Kenya. Sure enough, they adopted the Western ways of prosperity teachings and whatnot, stopped praying and all of a sudden you get the election thing that happened with deaths everywhere. The violence has subsided, but it was also said that if the saints of America do not pray for their own nation, the same thing would not be far off from happening here. Just my 
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| kgreen20 | Mar 30 2008, 08:16 PM Post #19 |
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God is not going to rain down His wrath on America or the rest of the world until He evacuates us to safety first. Not to say we won't go through some rough times, of course, but catastrophic wrath and judgment will be held till the Church is gone. |
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| detmi7mile | Mar 30 2008, 08:49 PM Post #20 |
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I think evacuate to safety could also mean preserving us or saving us while still on this earth. Do you just consider the events in revelation judgement and wrath, or do you see things such as earthquakes, hurricanes like katrina, etc, as just natural occurences that happen (not judgement)? |
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