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The Seven Spirits Of God
Topic Started: Feb 11 2010, 03:00 PM (116 Views)
sirlancelot	Feb 11 2010, 03:00 PM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 241 Group: Members Member #687 Joined: February 18, 2007	(Topic Split from http://all-things-new.net/topic/6679007/1/#new) "The Holy Spirit is shown also as the 7 Spirits of God before Gods throne" This is another false teaching that has entered into the church, I find it heretical but I believe many Christians have embraced this teaching out of ignorance, I remember this doctrine being taught in all the false fire churches I attended.



Israeli	Feb 11 2010, 03:39 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	sirlancelot Feb 11 2010, 03:00 PM "The Holy Spirit is shown also as the 7 Spirits of God before Gods throne" This is another false teaching that has entered into the church, I find it heretical but I believe many Christians have embraced this teaching out of ignorance, I remember this doctrine being taught in all the false fire churches I attended. Thanks again, Sirlance. Revelation 1:4 "4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, " I actually don't know anything about this doctrine you speak of. I guess perhaps because I am not in the U.S. and have no exposure to it. Are not these spirits holy, though? Thats what I was refering to.



sirlancelot	Feb 11 2010, 04:34 PM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 241 Group: Members Member #687 Joined: February 18, 2007	Those 7 spirits are not the Holy Spirit, reread your bible carefully and you will get the answer, can you tell me what an angel of God is?



Israeli	Feb 11 2010, 04:53 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	sirlancelot Feb 11 2010, 04:34 PM Those 7 spirits are not the Holy Spirit, reread your bible carefully and you will get the answer, can you tell me what an angel of God is? Too tired to be in a debate. Prolly could if it was in a gentler spirit. I'm picking up antagonism and confrontationism. The word of God just is not an ego trip thing for me. Gotta go to bed.



Sandy Champion	Feb 11 2010, 10:49 PM Post #5
Member Posts: 63 Group: Members Member #416 Joined: November 14, 2006	Sirlancelot: FYI--The 7 Spirits of God are found in Isaiah 11:1-2; These 7 Spirits of God are found in Yahshua/ Jesus as part of His earthly ministry which is to empower Him from His Father Yahweh above; So--Yes--the 7 Spirits of God from the Father found in Christ are definitely inclusive of THE HOLY SPIRIT. Please read Isaiah 11: 1-5 to get the full context of this meaning. I have never heard of any such "doctrine" taught in the churches that you alluded to when addressing Israeli. Could you , please be more specific as to what doctrine you know of and are referring to. Your brother in Christ, Sandy Champion



Israeli	Feb 12 2010, 04:34 AM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Sandy Champion Feb 11 2010, 10:49 PM Sirlancelot: FYI--The 7 Spirits of God are found in Isaiah 11:1-2; These 7 Spirits of God are found in Yahshua/ Jesus as part of His earthly ministry which is to empower Him from His Father Yahweh above; So--Yes--the 7 Spirits of God from the Father found in Christ are definitely inclusive of THE HOLY SPIRIT. Please read Isaiah 11: 1-5 to get the full context of this meaning. I have never heard of any such "doctrine" taught in the churches that you alluded to when addressing Israeli. Could you , please be more specific as to what doctrine you know of and are referring to. Your brother in Christ, Sandy Champion Thanks, Sandy. I'm not too good at explaining myself clearly. Your more lengthy explanation above is also very well put. On an aside, I do not personally know Hinn, or Howard-Browne, or Hagin, or Copeland. But as Sandy explained, we can know them, as Jesus Himself explained, by their FRUIT. Again, I will say, I REFUSE to put my hope, trust and worship in MEN. There is too much honor, hope and glory going to these men. Only Jesus will judge those mens' hearts, souls and spirits. But I WILL judge their fruit.



sirlancelot	Feb 12 2010, 08:26 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 241 Group: Members Member #687 Joined: February 18, 2007	Isaiah 11:1-2 doesn't have any connection whatsoever to the 7 spirits in Revelation, its a terrible claim, your cramming something into scripture that isn't there, I don't count 7 spirits under that passage that you gave in Isaiah, no one still never did answer my question that I asked, "what is an angel of God?" and another question I put to you, isn't everything in heaven holy? if it wasn't it wouldn't be there would it?, the 7 angels of the 7 churches, aren't they Holy? and furthermore, the Holy Spirit is not before the throne of God, the Holy Spirit is on the throne of God, the Holy Spirit is God, he is part of the Godhead, the trinity. Edited by sirlancelot, Feb 12 2010, 08:36 PM.



Josepha	Feb 12 2010, 09:23 PM Post #8
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	sirlancelot, if you are so zealous to prove us your wisdom, then tell us, but do not cause thy brother or sister to stumble over Scriptural knowledge. So instead of you asking us, I say: you tell us and instruct us, and stop this puzzle. This is not a contest of who is the best christian, or the best reader or the best anything. There is no need to hurt my brother or sister... Matt.23 [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Luke.14 [11] For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luke.18 [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. 1Pet.5 [6] Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: James 1 [9] Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: [10] But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. ------- Matthew 22 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Mark.12 [30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [31] And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.



Sandy Champion	Feb 12 2010, 11:31 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 63 Group: Members Member #416 Joined: November 14, 2006	Sister Josepha--thank you for those words of "wisdom". As for the 7 Spirits of Isaiah 11:2, they do, in fact, match the same 7 Spirits of God found in Revelation 4:5: " And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices; and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God". Now, in Isaiah 11: 2, there is NO DOUBT from my perspective, these are the 7 Spirits of God; they are as follows (please count them): 1. The Spirit of the Lord; 2. The Spirit of Wisdom; 3. The Spirit of Understanding; 4. The Spirit of Council; 5. The Spirit of Might; 6. The Spirit of Knowledge; 7. The Spirit of the Fear of the Lord. It is very clear in Isaiah 11:1 states that these 7 Spirits "rest upon" the Rod out of the stem of Jesse"; Who is the One that these 7 Spirits are to rest upon ?Yes-none other than Jesus Christ--"Yahshua" The Messiah. These 7 Spirits are clearly found in the scripture and are there for all to take note of and to come to understand how they play out in our lives. It is "Christ in you the hope of glory" (Colossians 1: 27) that is the true mystery that this pertains to. I am not here to strive or to argue with anyone. My purpose is to support what the Lord has revealed to me, through His Word. I hope this may cast a clearer understanding to those that are having a difficult time seeing what the 7 Spirits are relating to. Let us keep our hearts and minds focused on our Lord and His soon coming. Your brother in Christ, Sandy Champion Edited by Sandy Champion, Feb 12 2010, 11:34 PM.



Quiet Watcher	Feb 13 2010, 01:50 AM Post #10
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	There are other points of view regarding the 7 spirits. If the Third Person of the Holy Trinity is a Person, then it would have to be one person divided onto 7 parts which would compromise the idea of a �trinity� and would technically be a nine Person Godhead. Yet the Holy Spirit is always spoken of as one Person in Scripture�.the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. For me, the concept of a nine person Godhead opens up a huge can of worms. Isaiah 11:2 must be parsed to support the scripture in Rev. 5:6 and is not cross referenced in the KJV. Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: Isaiah 11:2 to me states that the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him�..that being: 1) the spirit of might and understanding 2) the spirit of counsel and might 3) the spirit of knowledge and fear of the Lord To parse Is.11:2 out into seven spirits is a stretch. There is also a problem with that interpretation as Sir Lancelot suggested that the 7 spirits are spoken of as being before the throne rather than ON the throne. Zec. 3:9 and Zec 4:10 are excellent cross references to Rev. 5:6. Zec 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth. The following interpretation makes more sense to me and does not compromise the concept of the Trinity. Quote: http://ankerberg.com/Articles/bible-for-dummies/BD1201W3.htm Question: In Revelation 5:6 are these words: "And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth." What are "the seven Spirits of God? Answer: The important thrust of this passage is the first appearance of the Lamb in John�s vision of heaven. In Revelation, Jesus is called the Lamb approximately 29 times. This Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes. As you may recall, the number "seven" is the number of completeness used in the Bible. The seven horns stand for omnipotence, which means having absolute power. In the Old Testament, a horn had two meanings. First, it stood for power. In 1 Kings 22:7, we read that Zedekiah, the prophet, made iron horns as a sign of promised victory over the Syrians. In the blessing of Moses, Deuteronomy 33:17, the horns of Joseph are like the horns of the wild ox which will push the people, all at once, to the end of the earth. The horn, secondly, also stands for honor. With the birth of Samuel to Hannah, she sings a song of Thanksgiving (1 Sam. 2:1): "My heart exalts in the Lord, my horn is exalted in the Lord�." The Psalmist writes (89:17): "For thou art the glory of their strength, and by Thy favor our horn is exalted." Psalm 112:9�"He has given freely to the poor; His righteousness endures forever; His horn will be exalted in honor." God lifts up the horn of His people in Psalm 148:14. The Lamb also has seven eyes representing the Seven Spirits of God which are sent out all over the earth. A good cross-reference on this is found in Zechariah 4:10. These seven eyes stands for the "all knowing and all seeing presence of God everywhere." There is no place on earth that is not under the all seeing eye of God. His power, His perfect knowledge and His presence is everywhere on earth among us. BTW....not implying that anyone who holds a different point of view is a "dummie"....that just happened to be the title of the link.



Wil	Feb 13 2010, 11:49 AM Post #11
Administrator Posts: 12,567 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Lance please meditate on the words said to you here concerning your postings.



Israeli	Feb 13 2010, 03:41 PM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Isaiah 11: 2 1. The Spirit of the Lord; 2. The Spirit of Wisdom; 3. The Spirit of Understanding; 4. The Spirit of Council; 5. The Spirit of Might; 6. The Spirit of Knowledge; 7. The Spirit of the Fear of the Lord. I was also taught a long time ago what is stated in Isaiah 11:1, that these 7 Spirits "rest upon" the stem out of the root of Jesse, that these 7 Spirits rest on Yeshua the Messiah.



Sandy Champion	Feb 13 2010, 04:48 PM Post #13
Member Posts: 63 Group: Members Member #416 Joined: November 14, 2006	Yes, Israeli--this is correct. These same 7 Spirits of God are found in Revelation 4:5 and Revelation 5:6. All three scriptures ( Isa. 11:2. Rev.4:5,and 5:6) are found in the One and only same Lord--Yahshua--sent forth into all the earth. He is the only LAMB slain for all of ours sins..Amen! The 7 "Eyes" are, likewise, one and same of the 7 Spirits. To be more clear about this--these are "qualities" and "characteristics" in the fulness of Yahshua's "omnipotency" and power given Him by Yahweh--His Father so He could walk and perform all of His duties while on earth. That same presence, as Quiet Watcher mentioned, found in Zechariah 4:10, is the same "Godly" presence found in the "Son". Yahshua and the Father ARE ONE; That is why Yahshua said; "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. Blessings to you. Your brother in Christ, Sandy Champion Edited by Sandy Champion, Feb 13 2010, 04:51 PM.



Deleted User	Feb 13 2010, 05:45 PM Post #14
Deleted User	HI all. Been reading the replies to the threads...and thought id pop in with my little bit. It would seem whenever there is a serious topic under discussion..where some ground is being made and false truths exposed..satan comes along and throws in a red herring. I am no stranger to this..Ive done it too. Its a flesh thing.. NEED to be right. We all do it and its called "Being human". The false fire thread was important..the topic vital..there are so many warnings in prophecy right now about "Strange fire"..and because the LORD is warning us..dont you think its important to heed those warnings?..of course you do..you love the Lord..therefore you heed what he says. The warnings were basically about subtle deceptions..twisted truths that LOOK christian..thas SOUND christian..but are NOT of the Lord. A vital subject IF we too are to avoid being caught up in satans litttle traps. Thats all satan does..set traps..cunningly hidden deceptions..set to fool even the elect IF that were possible. When satan sees his traps exposed..and KNOWS the hearers are AWARE of his schemes..he will quickly turn your attention AWAY from his trap..to debate amongst yourselves something else..something NOT vital..and something that will pit what would normally brothers and sisters against eachother. He will come in with some detail UNRELATED to the trap..and get a debate going with it. Some start it..unwittingly..and others get in on the show..also unwittingly..and having avoided one trap..another is set. This will lead to pride..for the ones "Proven" right"..and anger..or shame..or just hurt..for the ones "proven wrong"..when all along it did NOT matter anyway. Satan is a master strategist..and a very cunning opportunist. NO one..NO ONE AT ALL..is immune to his shemes. Thus we are told BY the Lord about Him..that he walks about..a roaring lion..seeking someone to devour. Dont let him devour you with nit picks and gnats...dont get pecked to death by ducks. The way I see it...whether the seven spirits of God are the "Holy" spirit..or not..really is not important. What IS important..is DO YOU LOVE THE LORD AND DO YOU DO HIS WILL. You see..I too (Not long ago either) once thought it was "Vital" to debate this..and be right about that..I have a head FULL..LITTERALLY..of knowledge..I could..and DID..debate circles around others for years. SO PROUD of my vast knowledge..revelations..and IQ..I COULD have been a master theologan. I know the word back to front..upside down..inside out..and top to bottom. I have read in my life over 10,000 books on every subject..doctrine...ism and cult and twisted and straight truth thats ever been written. I LOVE reading..and have been doing so since I COULD read. I have had VAST revelation..direct..indirect..form BOTH sides of the fence. I have experienced true fire..false fire..good teaching..bad teaching..satanic teaching..and all the ones in between. And like solomon at the end of his days..who ALSO knew a lot..my conclusion..after my recent humbling..is THIS... STAY only on the path of what IS TRULY important. HUmble yourselves before eachother..esteeming others as higher then yourselves. If one is wrong..dont debate it..pray for them..as Will did for me. It works. Also..be willing to BE wrong yourself..becuase no matter HOW much you know..or WHAT great revelations you have had..you WILL BE WRONG about many things. Keep clear of things that are NOT CLEAR...and LOVE one another..and forgive one another..and LIFT JESUS UP..and not self or knowledge...right or wrong..great or small..if we exalt ourselves..over things that DONT matter..we will be dragged away from the things that DO MATTER..for satan HATES the Light..and will do whatever he can to avoid exposure. Just love one another..and ONLY fight battles over VITAL points...and even then..DONT FIGHT..PRAY..prayer is your BEST STRATEGY...and if you write a reply..PRAY..before you do..and ask the LORD to tell you what to write..HOW to write it..or whether or not to write at all. Sometimes NO reply is better than ANY reply...as I have learnt. Dont fall into the trap I fell into..its painful..it hurts..its humbling..and its..probably the BEST thing that could happen to you..if that is what it will take for the LOVE of the the Lord to over take your LOVE of being "Right". My days are numbered...and while I have a chance to pass on what I have learnt..MOST of it with blood and tears..please pay attention...for time is short..and ALL our days are numbered. Any post I do COULD be my final one...for I dont know from one day to the next which one will be. Here is something to live by...something to ponder..a revelation the Lord REALLY impressed upon me yesterday..hit me like a ton of bricks..and changed my entire viewpoint in what and how I write.... LOVE EACH PERSON AS IF THEY WERE THE ONLY ONE ON EARTH TO LOVE...LAUGH OFTEN..PRAY MUCH..FORGIVE WITHOUT A MOMENTS HESITATION... AND LIVE EACH DAY..EACH SECOND...AS THOUGH IT WILL BE YOUR FINAL ONE... ONE of them WILL BE.
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Quiet Watcher	Feb 13 2010, 05:53 PM Post #15
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	I agree it is a non vital issue ......unless it gets twisted into some kind of weird strange fire doctrine which I don't see happening on this thread. The seven "spirits" whatever they are, are clearly of God, not of Satan. I wouldn't mind hearing other opinions on this topic as well.....but.......... FC...you are so right that the enemy will use all his wiles to turn the topic from "strange fire" to something else...ANYthing else! Wise Words. Thanks for splitting the thread, Wil.



w8n4him	Feb 13 2010, 06:28 PM Post #16
Advanced Member Posts: 1,285 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,473 Joined: July 6, 2007	I am in agreement with Sandy Champion.........
	Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


Lazarusty	Feb 14 2010, 03:59 AM Post #17
Advanced Member Posts: 1,100 Group: Advanced Members Member #248 Joined: October 12, 2006	What are the 7 spirits? You're nitpicking. Who cares? I don't.
	Check out my Wild Speculations thread!


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