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| Earendel | Feb 1 2010, 06:37 PM Post #1 |
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It seems I run into anti-Israel, anti-Jewish types every so often...and I am some what angered by them, because they call themselves Christians. So in responding to some of them, this is what I wrote: I believe there is a biblical purpose for (national Israel) today, and that is the direct fulfillment of Ezekiel 36-37 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2036-37&version=NKJV The full restoration national Israel is still pending, and will be completed AFTER the first resurrection and AFTER the battle of Armageddon. Israel as a nation today is a sign of the end of the age of the time also known as "the time of the gentiles". The Lord Jesus has said this and also reaffirmed by the Apostle Paul. The time of the Gentiles is almost complete...that is to say "the fulness of the Gentiles is almost come in" Did not our Lord Jesus even say: "Jerusalem shall be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (Luke 21:24) This is why Israel is a nation today because the prophecy is fulfilled and this time has come...we are at the gateway to the time known as the Great Tribulation...and time is running out. The existence of the nation of Israel in this last hour, is a prophecy marker about the imminent return of the Lord Jesus the Messiah of Israel. As the Apostle Paul has written: For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel (the Jews) until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: Do you not get that? Until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in....and then what? Here's what: “ The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” Romans 11:25-27 There is a remnant of Israel that will be saved: 1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “LORD, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Rom 11:1-5 One day ALL Israel will say: "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord"! “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’” Luke 13:34-35 And this time will come to pass during the Great Tribulation... So it is written, so it shall come to pass. Israel the Fig Tree generation... Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Matthew 24:34 |
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| Israeli | Feb 2 2010, 02:04 PM Post #2 |
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I hear ya Earendel. It seems a losing battle some times, but the God and the King of Israel will indeed vindicate His name and His nation. He indeed has a plan and a time to Glorify His name through them. All those who hate Israel and want to see it "dealt with" will find themselves on the wrong side of God one day. |
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| Israeli | Feb 2 2010, 02:23 PM Post #3 |
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Just found this on the Golden Report: http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=1335&z=1 "Jerry, WHY? 1-23-10 Many ask me why do I keep going on and on with the need of a larger boat, many ask why not just allow things to take there course because they will happen any way. Then there are those who say Jerry you are not accepting God's Word for what is written will happen regardless of what any of us do. I've even had a few who have said to me, there are over 2 million Jews in Europe alone, you can't save them, that I am wasting my time. Then we hear from those who have bought into the Devil's lie and say they are not really Jews they are impostures, let them die. There are many more ugly things said to me by those the Devil has been able to control their minds. So I've decided to answer all of them by this email. My answer to the above is simple, you can do what you want you're free to believe what you want, be it to bless or to curse Israel, to listen to God or to men. But I have no choice, I've heard from God and until my dying breath I will continue to prepare to save Jewish lives. God will send those who He would to this Ministry and they will be enough and I am willing to accept that. I have been called a lot of names by those who will not support such a ministry, they can call me what they want but I know who and what I am and my only concern is that God can see my heart and know that I love Him. I pray daily that God will left up other Ministries to join us, possibly ministries with unlimited finances and contacts. But in the mean time we will save all that we can and you can be sure another Holocaust is on the horizon. Below is a recent album discovered, look at it, and ask yourself if this could happen again, Yes, yes, it is about to happen even as you read this: http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_Auschwitz/mutimedia/index.HTML Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for our son Joel and all the IDF soldiers. Pray for this Ministry and your part in it. Shalom, jerry golden" Edited by Israeli, Feb 2 2010, 02:26 PM.
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| Shershalom | Feb 2 2010, 03:01 PM Post #4 |
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 Earendel, Israeli & all others of similar heart & mind ~ Please, please, please ... keep sharing these truths that our Father YHVH gives you, even in the unfriendly places. "Pray for the peace of Jerualem. May they propsper who love you. Peace be within your walls, prosperity within your palaces. For the sake of MY brethren and companions, I will now say, 'Peace be within you, Because of the house of YHVH our God, I will seek your good." ~ Psalm 122:6-9 Bashalom v'Bashem Mashiach Yeshua,  
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the name of YHVH." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| sirlancelot | Feb 6 2010, 12:58 PM Post #5 |
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I don't know if Jerry Golden is implying that there will be an Auschwitz in Israel, if so he is dead wrong, Ezekiel 38 shows us that God is gonna bring an army from the north and other parts to gather together to come against Israel only to destroy them, it will happen at a time when Israel is dwelling in safety, even in the midst of Israel's abominations and sins the land of Israel is God's land and his zeal for it burns with great jealousy, alot of jews will know when this happens that Jesus has been there messiah all along, great judgement is coming to Israel but another Auschwitz? nope I don't think so. You also have to consider the part that the 144,000 young virgin jew males will play and the two witnesses that will prophecy until the antichrist is given power to slay them in the streets of Jerusalem, how its all gonna pan out I don't think any of us are completely sure but we know from Ezekiel 38 thats it's gonna be horrific, thank God that it is his battle, I think the jews should rejoice in the fact of this great judgement thats coming is because of God's great zeal for the land of Israel, there's gonna be a great revival in Israel when they see Jesus as there messiah but it will come at the expense of this prophecy being fulfilled. Ezekiel 38 A Prophecy Against Gog 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush [c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you. 7 " 'Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. 10 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages [d] will say to you, "Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?" ' 14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. 17 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.' Ezekiel 39 1 "Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [e] Meshech and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the LORD. 7 " 'I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the LORD am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign LORD. This is the day I have spoken of. 9 " 'Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign LORD. 11 " 'On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east toward [f] the Sea. [g] It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog. [h] 12 " 'For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I am glorified will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign LORD. 14 " 'Men will be regularly employed to cleanse the land. Some will go throughout the land and, in addition to them, others will bury those that remain on the ground. At the end of the seven months they will begin their search. 15 As they go through the land and one of them sees a human bone, he will set up a marker beside it until the gravediggers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog. 16 (Also a town called Hamonah will be there.) And so they will cleanse the land.' 17 "Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: 'Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19 At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20 At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,' declares the Sovereign LORD. 21 "I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. 22 From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them. 25 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will now bring Jacob back from captivity [j] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD." |
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| Lazarusty | Jul 4 2010, 11:07 PM Post #6 |
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As I've said on a few occasions before, it is pure presumption on the part of Christians that the fig tree mentioned in Mathew 24 and parallel passages in other gospels is Israel. Wishing it to be doesn't make it so. True fufillment of Israel which is both physical and spiritual will not be until they get and receive a revelation of Christ as Messiah. There is only one gospel. Israel is not above the new covenant, so why do so many Christians make it so, thus worshiping Israel as an idol? What Israel did as regards to the flotilla is evil. Video footage and many witnesses testify to this. Are they somehow all lying? Unfortunately many Christians have been subject to and manipulated by pro-zionist propaganda that turns a blind eye and excuses all Israel's sins. Israel's sins will only be pardoned when they except Christ. Until then, Israel and all the nations around it are as bad as each other. Pro-zionists are using Christian gullibility to excuse Israel for some of the most evil terrorist acts on the Earth. They are an evil secular nation. God judges whether or not they have excepted His son. Currently they have not. How are they different form any other nation right now? Did you know that the 1948 foundation of Israel was fermented by the house of Rothschild, or order to deceive, if possible, the very elect? Nevertheless, it played into God's will. It was God's will Israel be established at that time, even though Rothschild's design was for malicious purposes. As I've stated before concerning a Word I received from the Lord regarding Israel - they will be invaded and taken over for a while because it is not yet their time. Israel will be divided into three. I saw a Russian soldier standing in the middle of Jerusalem. I believe this will be a dealing to bring the Israelites to their knees before God, so that the spiritual reality of Israel through Christ may be established. We see this example through scripture again and again as, when Israel forgot their God, they were taken over by their enemies for a while until they cried out and were delivered. Edited by Lazarusty, Jul 4 2010, 11:26 PM.
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| Israeli | Jul 5 2010, 04:34 PM Post #7 |
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Laz, you are truly mistaken in your interpretation of scripture concerning Israel, and you don't understand the heart of God for Israel. Did you read any news at all concerning the flotilla other than Turkish and Palestinian propaganda? The IDF went in armed with paint ball guns and did not fire until they were attacked. The people who attacked the IDF on the ship were KNOWN to be members of a terrorist organization and were NOT peace activists. Most are saying it had NOTHING to do with aid, it was a political provocation of the sovereign defenses of Israel. It was well documented that aid gets through to Gaza all the time. Who did you read? Did you not read any of the investigative reports? Hamas uses all building materials that come in to Gaza for bunkers to smuggle in weapons used against Israeli citizens. It appears you didn't read any thing but the lies. Why do you think Turkey and Iran backed down? Because of international opposition. Your whole post is flat wrong. You are giving the same old tired "Rothchilde" spew that all the anti-semites use . You are also implying your vision is true therefore, your vision holds more weight than the bible promises for Israel from Gods own mouth! I will believe Gods word, not the "vision" of a man who obviously HATES Israel and Jews. You can believe what you want to. You will have to give an account before the God of Israel for your words. Its "Christians" that speak as you do that hinder the gospel to the Jewish people because they see your hate, your belief in the lies of their enemies and they doubt the truth Jesus because of this Christian hate. I know, because its my job to explain YOUR beliefs to them when they ask ME why "Christians" hate them so much. You have swallowed the lie of Satan concerning Israel and you will have to give an account. But what is so sad is that you and many like you spread it openly on the internet, poisoning others. Where is the love for the Jewish people in your words? Where is the love of Jesus in your beliefs? Why do you not give unconditional grace to the Jewish people as YOU YOURSELF HAVE RECEIVED? Your words and beliefs are highly condemning and you set YOURSELF as the judge of Israel, when there is only ONE Judge of Israel and He is THEIR REDEEMER. May God free you from your deception. There is no love in your heart for Jews. Edited by Israeli, Jul 5 2010, 04:52 PM.
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| Promised | Jul 5 2010, 07:59 PM Post #8 |
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Please try to remember Lazarusty that Jesus your Messiah is Jewish. Tragically, Israel has had to defend herself against terrorists who seek to destroy all that is Israel and all her people for many years. Perhaps you would prefer that Hizbulla, Hamas, Iran be allowed to take over Israel, but God has other plans. |
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| dove | Jul 5 2010, 09:40 PM Post #9 |
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[I don't know if Jerry Golden is implying that there will be an Auschwitz in Israel, if so he is dead wrong]sirlancelot No he is advising the Jewish people to get out of Europe and come to Israel before anything happens like a war in the middle east that would shut down air flights into the country.....at a time when Jewish people are being a target of harassment or worse. Then it will be to late to try and leave. |
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| Lazarusty | Jul 6 2010, 12:34 AM Post #10 |
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No doubt the incident is being used by anti-semitists. I am not an anti-seimitist. However, I try try not to be seduced by pro-zionist propaganda either. Don't be so gullible and get some discernment! The Word I got is quite scriptural. It talks ahout the time of Jabob's trouble and that Jerusalem will be divided into three. What is going to happen to the faith of Christians when they realise the Israel they thought was so invincible is not so invincible after all? The idea that Israel is unconditionally invincible has been made up, it is a fantasy, they have been taught wrongly. These people do not know the heart of God at all, or the correct division of scripture. Edited by Lazarusty, Jul 6 2010, 12:58 AM.
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| Favor | Jul 6 2010, 12:41 AM Post #11 |
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Lazarusty, You are correct about the fig tree not being Israel. Israel is symbolized as the olive tree, we are the wild olive branches grafted in. The fig tree represented those in Temple leadership that were corrupted. They looked good in their covering like the fig tree (Matthew 21), but had no fruit beneath the leaves. In 70 AD the 2nd Temple and its corrupt leaders were destroyed. I guess you can say fig leaves are a good cover for wrong doing since Adam and Eve sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves. I do not understand why the nations hate Israel. Ishmael had a problem because he knew he was not the promise given to Abraham. They (arabs) were blessed materially, but they never received the spiritual blessing from God. This is kind of retold in Joseph's two dreams. In one the sheaves bowed to him; and the other the sun, moon, and eleven stars did obiesance to him. This spoke of the material and spiritual blessings for the tribes. This was their inheritance. The reason some Christians haven't any sympathy for Israel is because of what they have been taught (and I believe it is a conspiracy as well), the heretical teaching of replacement theology. Many Christians believe the Jews were as guilty as the Romans for crucifying the Messiah. It was the corrupt leadership that arrested Jesus, they sent the Temple guards. Then the corrupt Temple leaders sent Jesus to the Romans. The Romans fulfilled their wishes by crucifying Him. The rest of the Jews believed on Him, and the scriptures are clear on this. Matthew 21 is a good example of how they felt for Him. Hosanna, to the son of David! Ken Spiro has an excellent book "Crash Course on Jewish History". And I am thinking he has a couple of places where he talked about Rothschild, but not in the context I have seen by others, in conspiracy, I mean. In his book he addresses every nation that persecuted the Jew. But he does not address the Jews persecuting the newly born Messianics in the first century. Nor does he recognize the thousands of Jews that believed in Messiah. I found it strange, and asked my husband why he would not do that. I thought it part of their history as well. I am not saying the Jews are perfect, but they have richly gave more than they have taken from the world. According to God (talking to Abraham), the Jews are to be a blessing to the nations. I prefer to comfort His people. I read that in one of the books of the Book one time, to comfort His people. The Obama stations: CNN and HLN are pro-Palestanian (Philistines), which floods the world with its hatred of the Jews. I am surprised by Jews who hate their own, like Rahm Emmanuel, Kissinger, Streisand, etc. The Gaza kills Jews everyday. They call it a victory, because the world ignores it. Everyday Israel is shelled and killed, everyday, day in and day out. Killed every day. Just everyday. No one says a word about it. They bury their kids, and their loved ones, and no pictures of their unbearable grief is flashed on the Obama stations. I hardly blame IDF going on board to stop the influx of weapons to the Hamas. Knowing the conspiracy of the Arabs, I am always on the side of the Jews. Their hatred of the Jews is always set on overkill of them. I have never seen anything so irrational, it's so irrational it has to be purely demonic in nature. I wonder why the authors never write about the true conspiracy of the take over of the world by Muslims? While they turn every eye on the Jews the Arabs are twisting their knife in the heart of every nation. Kind of ironic. |
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| Israeli | Jul 6 2010, 01:21 PM Post #12 |
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Read Romans 11:11,-32 "11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17And if some of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you do not bear up the root, but the root bears up you. 19You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20Well said; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you being cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and have been grafted in contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as concerning the election, they are beloved for the sake of the father's. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as you in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through YOUR mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For GOD hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." It is now time for US to show THEM mercy. This is the commandment from God. Lets leave the judging of Israel to Him. Edited by Israeli, Jul 6 2010, 01:23 PM.
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| onlyme | Jul 6 2010, 08:51 PM Post #13 |
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Isn't that the truth. The world is so blind to its own hypocrisy. |
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| Lazarusty | Jul 6 2010, 11:30 PM Post #14 |
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The Word I got from The Lord is "ISRAEL's TIME IS NOT YET." This is why they will be INVADED and COMPLETELY TAKEN OVER for a while and DIVIDED INTO THREE. Those that think it is Israel's time now are jumping the gun. I am not anti-Israel. In spite of it being founded by Rothschild for their own deceptive purposes, it played into God's hands, therefore it has effectively is the real Israel physically. God used His enemies for his plans to restore Israel. But without the spiritual element, which can only come through revelation of Christ, they are no different from any other heathen secular nation right now. That's what I'm saying and I'm not convinced of the PR spin by pro-zionists concerning the flotilla incident. I think Christians are being manipulated over the whole Israel issue. Edited by Lazarusty, Jul 6 2010, 11:33 PM.
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| Wil | Jul 7 2010, 01:05 AM Post #15 |
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Christians support Israel because the Lord wants us to. The consequences of those that come against it are well documented. But even if we weren't told to bless it I would still support it every time in its battles against its Islamic enemies, where savagery and deception is a way of life. |
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| dove | Jul 7 2010, 07:03 AM Post #16 |
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There are many coming to know Jesus as their personal savior. Revival has been going on for quite awhile in Israel. [God used His enemies for his plans to restore Israel. But without the spiritual element, which can only come through revelation of Christ, they are no different from any other heathen secular nation right now. ] That is where the two witnesses and 144,000 come in to play???? The Bible is very specific about what will happen. Where does it say it will be divided . I have heard about the temple mount being devided to make room for all faiths ?????? But Israel time is now, just as are leaving (rapture) is just about now. [I am not anti-Israel. In spite of it being founded by Rothschild for their own deceptive purposes, it played into God's hands, therefore it has effectively is the real Israel physically. God used His enemies for his plans to restore Israel. ] I am sure that everything that the NWO does weather it's sinking our economy or bio stuff to be be released, plays into God's hands. The fools who make there plans while God laughs from his throne. Edited by dove, Jul 7 2010, 07:04 AM.
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| Israeli | Jul 7 2010, 09:46 AM Post #17 |
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Joel 3:2 "I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land." Also, Dove said: "I am not anti-Israel. In spite of it being founded by Rothschild for their own deceptive purposes, it played into God's hands, therefore it has effectively is the real Israel physically. God used His enemies for his plans to restore Israel. " Every site I have looked at concerning the " Rothschild founding Israel for their own deceptive purposes", they all have one thing in common: they are vehemently anti-Israel and anti-Jew. We as Christians have no more business spreading anti-semitic propaganda than we do behaving as whores or drunkards. |
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| Lazarusty | Jul 7 2010, 07:25 PM Post #18 |
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It is irrelevant really how Israel was set up; the fact is it was by God's design. If we wanted to quibble we could say many nations were set up illegally, under false pretences, or with hidden agendas. This includes America. Perhaps everything man does is illegal in one sense. Such is the fallen nature of man, so tainted in spirit is he, that he hardly ever does anything straight up - there always seems to be some selfish angle or condition on whatever he puts his hand to. I;d heard it was Rothschild but maybe it wasn't; it makes no difference either way. It's here, and it's part of the fufillment of scripture. To the one who says it is Israel's time because the rapture is nearly here - you presume too much. Edited by Lazarusty, Jul 7 2010, 07:29 PM.
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| Wil | Jul 8 2010, 01:23 AM Post #19 |
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In your opinion only, I and many others also share the view that we are at the very last moments and the rapture could happen at any moment. Though, I do believe we are still going to have to go thru some difficult times first before it happens, however going thru a russian invasion of Israel that may or may not happen is not necessarily one of them, this could well occur during the Great Trib after the peace covenant is broken (pre-trib view won 't be here for), however even if it were to happen before the Trib I do not believe it will be a long possession as you stated, as this would go against what myself and many others have Heard about the imminency (our way of measuring) of His return. |
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| SENTONE | Jul 9 2010, 03:09 PM Post #20 |
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Thanks for sharing! I truly believe, and I am a very strong supporter of Israel! I will keep praying for Israel, God's chosen. Shalom, Toda Raba Yeshua!  
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