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| Dr. Law And Dr. Grace; Which ONE can help you? | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 10 2010, 04:45 AM (173 Views) | |
| Ken Dewey | Jan 10 2010, 04:45 AM Post #1 |
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There is a story that I have told, a story of a man who was very very sick. He was so sick that he needed help so he went to see a doctor. Looking into the yellow pages he found the name of Dr. Law, a MD in the local medical clenic. He finally arived at the office of Dr. Law and signed the waiting list and had a seat. His wait was not long, for several who had waited before him moved into the doctors office very quickly, each leaving quickly. Soon his name was called and he entered the doctors examanation room. Dr. Law introduced himself and proceeded to examine him in many common procedures and all the same time asking him questions about his illness. Dr. Law told him to open his mouth and stick out his tongue forcing it down with a stick. He shined a light into the opening and down his throat and groaned, O' MY no wonder! Than he placed his hearing device to his chest and said "Breathe Out" now "Breathe In taking a big breath". After a moment he said, O' my, no wonder. He listened to his heart beat, exclaiming, O' my, you heart is truly in terrible shape.... This procedure with the same comments continued on as more test were performed and finally Dr. Law stepped back and said, "It is just like I thought, YOU HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. Matter fact it is more serious than I can treat, YOU SEE THERE IS NO CURE FOR WHAT YOU HAVE. Shaken by the doctors report, the man said.... "Well Doc. Is there nothing you can do?" Nope, the doctor said, IT IS ALL BEYOND MEDICAL SCIENCE. What you have is IMPOSSIBLE TO TREAT. I am sorry to say YOU WILL DIE and most likely very soon if something is not done right away. But sorry to say, I CAN NOT HELP YOU. Well surly Doc, the man said, you can do more than just diagnose my proplem, surly there is SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? Please help me, I do not want to die, I am too young! Dr. Law took off his glasses and wrote out the report shaking his head. Nope, I am so sorry..... BUT... There is anothor Doctor in town who is a specialist and I am sure with his more advanced medical procedures HE CAN HELP YOU. He went on to say, explaining, your paticular problem is of such a nature I can only warn you of its effects. But He, Dr. Grace knows just what to do. Hurridly he left the doctors office and headed on down the street to see Dr. Grace. Upon arrival and after waiting to see Dr. Grace he told Him just what Dr. Law had said about his condition. O' Yes, I know Dr. Law. He surly is fine in his diagnosis and knows ALL the medical proplems VERY WELL, yet he only specializes in the diagnosis of your illness, he was never trained to ACTUALLY HELP ANY SICK PERSON GET WELL. You see IT IS NOT IN HIS TRAINING. O' the man exclaimed, I SHOULD HAVE COME TO YOU FIRST. Well maby so Dr. Grace explained, yet you did not KNOW THE SERIOUSNESS OF YOUR PROPLEM UNTIL DR. LAW TOLD YOU. You have to thank Dr. Law for his advice in sending you here to ME, FOR I HAVE THE CURE TO ALL SICKNESS. You see THE CURE IS MY DEPARTMENT AND HELP AND HEALING IS MY JOB DESCRIPTION. Proceeding on Dr. Grace said, YOUR PROBLEM IS SIN and sin can only be handled by me, Dr. Grace. He than explained that SIN IS SO SERIOUS that He had to GIVE HIS LIFE AND ALL HE HAD TO EARN THE DEGREE NEEDED TO HELP. My, My, the sick man exclaimed, I AM SURE GLAD TO MEET SUCH A DEDICATED DOCTOR. Thank GOD I FOUND YOU. Yes, said Dr. Grace, you should thank me, FOR I AM GOD. I came to earth just to die for you, to carry your sins to the OLD RUGGED CROSS, thus TAKING THEM AWAY. I have solved your sin problem, the problem that was making you die. I AM YOUR SAVIOR. I AM your salvation, I AM DR. GRACE. You see ONLY GOD could forgive the things that were making you sick. Only I can do such a thing, and it must be by GRACE. Upon the compleation of Dr. Grace's work and healing of his sin the man asked, "What do I owe you, Doc.?" Than Dr. Grace said...."NOTHING AT ALL, I DO NOT CHARGE FOR MY WORK. YOU ARE FREE.... FREE TO GO." ********************************************************* GRACE IS THE UNMERITED FAVOR OF GOD. Grace is God giving to us that which we do not deserve. We are all sinners the Bible says, because of Adam's Sin. We are like Adam, in him we all have become sinners by receiving His nature. We are without hope in this world because we are sinners.... yet Jesus (God in the Flesh) came down from Heaven to die for us upon the cross, thus taking away our sins. He shed his blood and died for our sins. He was buried and than after three day arose from death proving our sins could not hold him in the grave.... we were completely forgiven by his blood and death. He offers us Eternal Salvation purly by GRACE. Salvation is the Gift. Salvation is Jesus who freely gave himself for us all. THE LAW OF GOD was NEVER GIVEN TO SAVE MEN....IT WAS GIVEN TO SHOW MEN JUST HOW SICK THEY REALLY ARE. The Law cannot save me, it ONLY CONVICTS MEN and makes them GUILTY. The LAW WHEN FULLLY REALIZED BY MEN WILL MAKE MEN..... RUN TO JESUS....WHO IS DR. GRACE!!! Ephesians 2:8-9 "8. For BY GRACE are ye saved through faith; and NOT THAT OF YOURSLEVES: it is THE GIFT OF GOD: 9. Not of WORKS (keeping the Law of God), lest any man should boast." Galatians 3:22-25 "22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (by grace) 23. But before faith came, we were kept under the Law, shut up unto faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24. Wherefore the LAW was our SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US TO CHRIST, that we might be justified by faith. 25. But after that faith is come, we are NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER." Romans 5:19-21 "19. For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus) shall many be made righteous. 20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where SIN ABOUNDED, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND: 21. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through richteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 11:6 "And IF BY GRACE, than it is NO MORE OF WORKS (LAW): otherwise GRACE is no more GRACE. But if it be of works (law), than is it NO MORE OF GRACE: otherwise work is no more work." Romans 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also the FREE GIFT. For if through the offence on one (Adam) many be dead, much more THE GRACE OF GOD, and the GIFT by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hat abounded unto many." Romans 5:6-8 "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ DIED FOR THE UNGODLY. 7. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8. BUT GOD commendeth HIS LOVE todards us, in that while we were yet sinners, CHRIST DIED FOR US." Romans 3:19-28 "19. Now we know that what things soever the LAW SAITH, it saith to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become GUILTY BEFORE GOD. 20. Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. 21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22. Even the righteousness of God which is by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST unto all and upon ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE: for there is no differance. 23. For ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God. 24. Being justified freely BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God; 26. To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just and the justifier of him which BELIEVETH IN JESUS. 27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what LAW? OF WORKS? Nay: but by the LAW OF FAITH. THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW."  Edited by Ken Dewey, Jan 10 2010, 04:58 AM.
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| Earendel | Jan 10 2010, 10:02 AM Post #2 |
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What motivates a person to have Christian works anyway? Can a person do anything to save themselves? One’s motivation in the beginning may to be to save themselves, and try to keep themselves saved. But it is not the trying in and of itself that merits us anything before God, but in the yielding of ourselves to the inner working of God in us (through His Holy Spirit), He is the doctor after all. With some, one’s motivation may be to save themselves, or keep themselves saved, while the other’s motivation is to please the One who died for them. We need revelation knowledge! What has God called us to? Can works save a person? "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works." You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:14-20) But what works is James talking about, certainly not legalism is it? Two individuals, one does work out of compulsion in bondage (no joy - not born again), and the other out love that the Holy Spirit brings in our hearts (much joy and full of glory...a well of living water springing up into everlasting life.) We are the recipients of mercy and grace, not of wages. The difference is being Born-Again and Phariseeism, which is the behavior of a sanctimonious and a self-righteous person. The difference between relationship and religious compulsion. Righteousness before God has already been purchased for us. Righteous living is something that we do because we are born of the Holy Spirit, and we submit ourselves in obedience to the Holy Spirit, who by the Grace of our Father in heaven, leads us into holy living, a work not of compulsion but of love that has been birthed in our hearts. Paul said in Philippians 3:6-8: “concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ” The law of God requires works of righteousness, so why would Paul discard his righteousness in the law...(works in the Law) if he were so perfect in it? Romans 3:21-22 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. How is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus work to bring righteousness anyway? The answer is very simple actually, it is because Jesus took away ALL my sins forever, and in the absence of sin the Law is fulfilled. So, Here is a question: If a person were completely sin free in their life (because Jesus washed away the sins), would the righteousness or holiness that the Law of God requires be fulfilled? The answer is yes, because in the absence of sin the law is fulfilled! So...if Jesus took away all of my sins after repentance and giving my life to Him, and I am blameless before God and sin free, do I fulfill the righteousness or holiness that the law of God requires? The answer is yes; I fulfill the righteousness that the law of God requires because I have no sin in Jesus...because Jesus took and washed away my sins and nailed them to the cross! ...I am therefore sin free before God and fulfill the righteousness that the law God requires. This is what is meant by the righteousness by faith and NOT by works!!! So then the righteousness that the Law of God requires, is fulfilled in every single person who comes to Christ Jesus. This is what it means that Christ is the end of the law and that He fulfilled the law. This is the righteousness which is by faith, and not by the works of the Law of God. Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. How is the Law established? The Law is established because there is no more sin to deal with, because Jesus took the sin away, and in the absence of sin the Law is Fulfilled, …yes it is established! This is the righteousness that is by faith, and not by the works of the Law. Romans 5: 1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. The very reason that Christ came into the world was so that He could free us from sin and the consequences of sin, and more then that, so that we could become a new creation in Christ Jesus. And in the absence of sin, which is through the cross of Christ, the Law is fulfilled. Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. So, I ask again...what works is James talking about? And what about Holiness and Holy Living....hasn't the Lord said you must be Holy for I am Holy? Holiness becomes you... God truly wants the repentance of man, for man to make a volitional choice for Him...to openly repent before Him and to follow Him, to Call upon Him... He wants good works towards Him based on a loving personal relationship from the heart, and not on good works based on a reliance of oneself… or in ones' ability to live holy by following a given set of rules – and yes there is a difference. Yes, there are moral rules and guidelines to follow and understand, but they are only to instruct me in the ways of righteousness and holiness as I seek Him inwardly, and personally ...and they teach me of the nature of Jesus. The scriptures give me an understanding of the nature of Him who has called me out of this world to be His son, to a new life in Him which is hidden in Christ Jesus - the Holy Spirit bears witness to this truth. His good works in me (holiness) comes, not based on my own understanding of what true holiness is, but rather based on the inner workings of the Holy Spirit in my life since I accepted Him, and it is in my yielding to Him in all things in obedience, and not on my adherence to or on reliance of myself to seek His favour by doing good works (what I perceive as holiness). It's not what I can do, it's what He does and can do through me. Because I love Him in the very pit of my soul, and am truly born of Him, I will seek out those things that always please Him, I will hate the things that He hates, and I will love the things that He loves...if only that I may have just one moment, just one moment in this life that I may truly glorify Him in this earthly body…and this I will do as His Holy Spirit who is within me permits, and teaches me all things. Does this mean that I will never make a mistake and never sin again? ...no it does not. I hope that I never sin again, but if I do, I know I have an advocate with the Father who is Jesus Christ the righteous. I know that if I acknowledge my sins before God, that He is faithful and just to forgive me and to cleanse me from ALL unrighteousness. And I dare say to anyone that I need to have works in order to be forgiven, nothing but the precious blood of the Lamb can erase sins. The bible teaches me that: Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. Galatians 6:15 Hence and therefore my salvation is not based upon me believing that my good works toward Him (personal holiness) will save me (or even merit me any favor at all), but rather on a TOTAL surrender of my life to Him, and upon a reliance on Him for my holiness and righteousness, that He who has begun a good work in me will complete it until the very day of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:6 I just need only to yield to Him, I just need only to yield to Him and say yes Lord Jesus, yes Lord...have your way in me and be glorified in me, let me be obedient to you through your Holy Spirit. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. Romans 6:13 Those who are truly born of the Spirit of God and are led by Him will indeed mortify sin in their lives, whose hearts are right with God. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Romans 8:12-17 |
| Repentance is a rocky road best travelled in the day, when there is light, lest darkness comes, and I stumble in the dark...that is to say the Spirit of God will not always strive with man. I will therefore humble myself before the God of heaven and pray, who has called me...to walk this road of repentance..that leads to eternal life. | |
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| Israeli | Jan 11 2010, 04:47 AM Post #3 |
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AMEN EARENDEL. THIS, is what God means by being BLAMELESS BEFORE HIM. By the way, ITS GREAT TO SEE YOU KEN DEWEY! GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER! |
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| Ken Dewey | Jan 15 2010, 05:33 AM Post #4 |
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 Thanks Earendel for your interesting post. Hi Israeli, it is good to be back. I just want to add some more verses here I think are SO VERY CLEAR. I believe that the SCRIPTURE ITSELF speaks sufficiently here and if we simply read it and study it, than we will understand just exactly what God wants us to know. So here goes. Romans 4:1-8 (Amplified, Captialization and underlining mine) "1. [But] IF so, what shall we say about Abraham, our forefather humanly speaking - [what did he] find out? [How does this affect his position, and what was gained by him?] 2. For if Aaraham was JUSTIFIED (established as just by acquittal from guilt) BY GOOD WORKS [that he did, then] he has grounds for boasting. BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. 3. For what does the Scripture say? Abraham BELIEVED IN (trusted in) GOD, and it was CREDITED TO HIS ACCOUNT AS RIGHTEOUSNESS (right living and right standing with God) 4. Now to a laborer, his wages ARE NOT COUNTED as a favor or a gift, but as an obligation (something owed to him). 5. But to one who, NOT WORKING (by the Law), trusts (believes fully) in Him who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY, his faith is CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS (the standing acceptable to God). 6. Thus David congratulates the man and pronounces a blessing on him to whom God CREDITS RIGHTEOUSNESS APART FROM WORKS HE DOES: 7. Blessed and happy and to be envied are those who iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered up and completely buried. 8. Blessed and happy and to be envied is the person of whose sin the Lord WILL TAKE NO ACCOUNT NOR RECKON IT AGAINST HIM."  |
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| peggyelaine | Jan 28 2010, 08:26 AM Post #5 |
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Tanks for this article. I just now this morning joined and hope to get fellowship and knowledge. |
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| peggyelaine | Jan 28 2010, 08:29 AM Post #6 |
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excuse the spelling. Anyway please pray for me and my 8 kid's. I hope to get and give on this site. Looks like you all informed on many issues. I am a believer too-God bless. |
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