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| Is It God's Will To Heal All Sick People? Con't | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 24 2009, 08:16 AM (528 Views) | |
| hope | Nov 24 2009, 08:16 AM Post #1 |
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Lightningrod said: "If it was God's Will that all sick would get healed, than they would all get healed and that's that That is not God's Will" 1 Tim 2:1-4 1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone-- 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (NIV) Now, we know God will's all men to be saved but all will not be saved so therefore, the same is true for healing and I'm talking about a physical healing of the body. Edited by hope, Nov 24 2009, 08:18 AM.
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Blessed is he who has regard for the poor; the Lord delivers him in time of trouble; the Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. Ps. 41:1-3 ... | |
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| Ken Dewey | Nov 24 2009, 10:12 AM Post #2 |
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 Point well taken. This is one of the proofs that Healing is God's will just like salvation is God's will. Since the Word says the Lord WANT'S ALL MEN TO BE SAVED. It also says the Christ died for ALL MEN thus stating that ALL CAN BE SAVED, and WHOSOEVER WILL CALL etc. Thus it is concluded that NOT ALL MEN WILL. This does not make it NOT GODS WILL TO SAVE SOME. The SOME WHO WILL NOT IS NOT GODS CHOICE BUT THOSE WHO WILL NOT CHOOSE. Thus HEALING. Christ died for all mens salvation and also Healing. Is. 53....He carried Sin and he also carried sickness. IT FOLLOWS THE SAME, IF NOT ALL MEN DO NOT GET HEALED....IT DOES NOT PROVE IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL TO HEAL SOME MEN. Isaiah 53:4-6 clearly states JESUS DIED FOR BOTH SINS AND SICKNESS. "4. Surely He has borne our griefs (sickness, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy]. 5. But He was wounded for our trangressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-be-ing for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guild and iniquity of us all." Some have questioned if the above (borne our griefs mentioned with translation of word) ment sickness (or that Is. 53 was talking even about Jesus). But to show you IT DID MEAN SICKNESS referring to Jesus work...and that BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED....did not mean only from sin, I would like to GIVE A NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT SCRIPTURE MEANING (FROM THE LIFE OF CHRIST)..... Matthew 8:16-17 "16. When evening came, they brought to Him many who were under the power of demons, and He drove out the spirits wigh a word and restored to health ALL WHO WERE SICK. 17. And thus He fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, He Himself took [in order to carry away] our weaknesses and INFIRMITIES and bore away our DISEASES." in referance to Is. 53:4 I would also like for all to read Matthew 9:1-6. In this story, Jesus FORGAVE A MAN HIS SINS and the pharasees complained that ONLY GOD COULD FORGIVE SINS. Than Jesus HEALED THE MAN of his disease and said this interesting statement: "5: For which is easier: to say, Your sins are forgiven and the penalty remitted, or to say, Get up and walk? 6. But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgeve sins and remit the penalty, He then said to the paralyzed man, Get up! Pick up your sleeping pad and go to your house." Mt. 5:5-6 Thus the scriptures are teaching that BOTH SALVATION AND HEALING IS GOD'S WILL FOR ALL MEN. But because ALL DO NOT GET SAVED.....THAN HOW CAN WE CONCLUDE THAT ALL MUST GET HEALED?? SALVATION AND HEALING BOTH AVAILABLE THROUGH FAITH. Just as we believe by faith to receive salvation, we must believe by faith to be Healed. |
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| Wil | Nov 25 2009, 01:55 AM Post #3 |
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Yes Jesus made all things are possible to him who believes and the Lord does not want any of His children to suffer in any way that is not ordered of Him for various reasons however to say that less than perfect physical health does not fall into the category of these reasons cannot be definitively supported by scripture, if it was all (including the majority of "charismatic" and Pentecostal believers) would believe it and would not be a point of discussion. And fact remains, telling someone they were not healed because of their lack of faith (no matter how nicely it's said) can be spiritually damaging to (especially new) believers, which is why it's objected to the way it is by most of the christian world. |
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| Israeli | Nov 25 2009, 02:51 AM Post #4 |
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It looks to me that according to scripture, healing is indeed something we MUST APPROPRIATE by FAITH!!! Its there for the taking!!! We have not because we ask not or we ask amiss. |
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| hope | Nov 25 2009, 09:13 AM Post #5 |
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Wil, I am reminded of a small pentecostal church I attended years ago. The pastor had been baptised with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. He died in a car wreck and his son took over the church. His son was young - mid to late twenties. He had not been baptised with the Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues but had sought it apparently for years but had never received it. His conclusion was that it was not real since he had not been received as yet. As he started preaching against the infilling of the Holy Spirit and all the gifts, the members who had received God's wonderful gift and knew it was real, left the church and he was left with "nothing". The church closed. My point is just because it is not received by someone, does not negate the fact that it is available for the taking. Why he did not receive only God knows. Why some are not healed - only God knows - but it does not negate the fact that it is available through the faith just as is the baptism in the Holy Spirit. There are great men of God who have written about how they sought the baptism in the Holy Spirit for years before receiving. However, some received immediately upon "believing" and desiring all that God had made available to us. Why the difference? Only God knows. If someone is not healed after seeking it, does not negate the fact it is available. Should you tell them to stop believing in healing just because they haven't received theirs yet? If God has already done His part. It can only be our part in the trusting and "faith to receive" that is in error. I have no problem saying it is "my faith" for the reason I've not received if I am seeking healing from something. I keep seeking the error in my belivieving. I've heard several pastors also who said people don't receive because of unforgiveness or hardness of heart against someone. As soon as the pastor received this word of knowledge and spoke to the person, the person forgives, then the person receives healing. I believe there are many facets to receiving healing we really don't understand but still, this does not negate the fact that Jesus' name is above all other names. His name is above every disease you can name. By His stripes were are healed. 3444 yeshuw` ah (yesh-oo'-aw); feminine passive participle of 3467; something saved, i.e. (abstractly) deliverance; hence, aid, victory, prosperity: KJV-- deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare. 3467 yasha` (yaw-shah'); a primitive root; properly, to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor: KJV-- X at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory. 1 Pet 2:24 24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (KJV) 2390 iaomai (ee-ah'-om-ahee); middle voice of apparently a primary verb; to cure (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, make whole. Isa 53:5 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and by his stripes we are healed.7495 rapha' (raw-faw'); or raphah (raw-faw'); a primitive root; properly, to mend (by stitching), i.e. (figuratively) to cure: KJV-- cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, X thoroughly, make whole. See 7503. . (KJV) Edited by hope, Nov 25 2009, 09:18 AM.
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Blessed is he who has regard for the poor; the Lord delivers him in time of trouble; the Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. Ps. 41:1-3 ... | |
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| hope | Nov 25 2009, 09:31 AM Post #6 |
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Oh and one more thing. If the person has not been healed and they begin believing it is not God's will to heal them. They will stop having any hope of healing. Where will they turn then? Would you take away their hope of being healed when it is still available to be received? I personally can't see how anyone can say their illness glorifies God. Their healing would glorify God. Maybe it is a timing issue but they should never stop believing "by his stripes they have been healed." One time on Benny Hinn years ago I saw a little boy about the age of 10 come to the altar for healing. Benny prayed for him and while "in the spirit" on the altar the Lord spoke to him and said "not yet". The little boy remained sick for another year or two. He attended another Benny Hinn meeting sometime later and the Lord told "now" and if I remember right, he was instantly healed. I personally continue to believe for my granddaughter 13 yrs old to be healed. I won't stop believing - healing is available for her. |
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Blessed is he who has regard for the poor; the Lord delivers him in time of trouble; the Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. Ps. 41:1-3 ... | |
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| hope | Nov 25 2009, 10:03 AM Post #7 |
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I know that some people who are in the mainstream denominations have a hard time understanding the gifts of the spirit. But for anyone reading this I want to share a little. I grew up Methodist, then changed to Baptist. I professed faith in Jesus Christ as a teenager in a Baptist Church. Thank God for the Baptist who are so good at preaching salvation through faith in Jesus Christ! In my thirties we moved and I met a lady (mother to girl that was a friend of my daughter's) and she begain sharing about the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It was foreign to me since I had never heard of this experience. The speaking in tongues was really a hard thing to understand. However, I always had this in the back of my mind. We moved again and my husband and I went through some marriage difficulties. I decided to attended a local church that was Spirit filled / charismatic. For the first time I saw joy in people being in God's presence. I saw people prayed for that ended up on the floor. What was this strange thing - I saw someone touch their heads and then they went down - I believed he pushed them. Then after the service I went for prayer since my life was in turmoil. I too ended up on the floor under the power of the Spirit. The one(a man but not the pastor)praying for me didn't push me he barely touched my head. No pushing! I'm on the floor. Later as my husband and I are separated I go back to this church and my husband attends. The pastor asked anyone that wanted to give/recommit their lives to Christ to come down. This was right after praise and worship. There were probably 50 or more. This pastor who I'd never seen before and who had never seen me or my husband came over to us and said the Lord has a Word for you. He told us if we would get back together, stay in church, that he would heal our marriage. WHAT? How did he know that? I was just beginning to see God is alive. He speaks through people. My husband and I got back together and told our children about this experience at church. I began seeking all God had. I spent 6 to 8 hours in the Bible a day. I was excited. I began watching Christian TV. I saw something and believed now there was more than what I had been taught growing up in the other churches. I then one night decided to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I wanted all God has to offer. I received that night in my bathroom the infilling of the Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I stayed in God's Word (I wasn't working) all day / I praised off and on with music all day. I was so excited to have found that God is alive and there is so much more than I had been taught. My husband and I are still together. 40 years in 2010!! Had it not been for the gift of the Word of Knowledge I don't believe we would have stayed together. It set a new course for our life. Now I've received many more Words since then from people I didn't know, but the Holy Spirit used them to speak into my life right when I needed it and have seen healings and have been healed myself several times. My mind was changed! Edited by hope, Nov 25 2009, 12:25 PM.
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Blessed is he who has regard for the poor; the Lord delivers him in time of trouble; the Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. Ps. 41:1-3 ... | |
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| Ken Dewey | Nov 25 2009, 11:56 AM Post #8 |
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  Praise the Lord Hope. Thank you for sharing. I would like to relate an experience of God's supernatural power to testify that I WAS LED BY GOD TO CHANGE MY MIND. I have been a minister all my life. I am 66 years old, soon to be 67. I Pastored Churces for over 23 years and I am today a Pastor. For a period of time between 89 and 99 I went away from God, quit preaching and bacame a regular person, not a minister. I was confused and defeated. I had what people comonly call BURN OUT. What that means is I was unable to quope with the pressure of the ministry nor was I able to walk in total victory as a Christian. I was one of the very worst to say the least and moving in unbelief about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I hated tougues speakers and preached against them. I thought that the people who believed them were demon posessed. I just knew that the falling down was wrong and of the devil. In 99 in the desert, I ran head on with God. I went down on the floor off and on under the Power of God for 5 whole days. There was NO PERSON THERE Just the Holy Spirit. I at times thought I would die for I could not breathe the Spirit was so heavy and strong upon me. He washed over me with multiple baptism of His Spirit and presence. I was changed. I have not been able to say one single word against the Baptism of the Holy Spirit since that time. I have shared this testimony before here on ATN and I have my testimony posted on my web page. So I wish to share how I HAD TO CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT.... FALLING DOWN UNDER THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I fall down in the desert when the Holy Spirit came upon me, but there was no one present to see this. Later after I came back from the desert, I went for the first time in my life to a non denomonational church where they have the Baptism. In that church they pray for people and lay hands on people for various reasons. Many times deliverance from adictions, demons, and all sorts of problems. Healing was also manifested in that church by the laying on of hands. I was there in that service for the first time and I HAD A HURTING SHOULDER JOINT. As you might remember, I am and have been during my life a stone Sculptor. I have picked up too many stones, and my shoulder was hurting very much that day. Matter fact I could do nothing but let my arm hang down between the chairs. I could not raise my left arm. It was in pain, and I thought perhaps I need to just go home. The minister at the end of preaching came down front and said...."God just told me there is someone here that has a hurting shoulder joint. IF that is you come down for prayer now." Well I did not move, because I thought to myself I will wait to see what will happen, besides my arm is just sore because I lifted too many stones this past week! Well there were about 5 people who went down and the minister prayed for them.. Each one of them when the minister put his hand on them fell down backwards. Frankly it appeared to me to be a show, and I did than for sure not wish to go forward, even though I was in pain. The minister after praying for them, looked at the crowd and said, "God is telling me that the person who has a hurting arm has not come forward YET, so I will ask you again to come forward." I sat perfectly still, saying, O' my arm will be better later on, I have just strained it. A couple more came forward and the same thing happened, than the minister said the third time..."There is still some one else here who has not come. He than paused and Said, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE FROM TEXAS?? WHO HAS A HURTING ARM?? He went on and explained that the Lord had told Him so. Well I was and am from Texas and I began to immediately KNOW THAT HE HAD ME IN MIND. So I raised my hand. He looked at me and said..."Are you from Texas and do you have a hurting arm?" I answered Yes. He said "WELL YOU ARE THE ONE....COME ON DOWN HERE!" rather exasperated. I went forward, saying but I do not have to fall down to get healed. He walked up to me and just gently touched me with his finger and IT WAS AS IF I BLACKED OUT. It was the same as in the desert when I fell down under the Power of God. I don't remember hitting the floor, I later woke up (after a few minutes) I lay there on the floor looking up and I began to cry FOR MY ARM WAS NOT HURTING. All the pain was gone. I began to move my arm and I KNEW I WAS HEALED. I want to testify that MY ARM HAS NOT HURT AGAIN SINCE THAN. It IS HEALED and not only that I HAVE QUIT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE FALLING DOWN. It is hard for some who have never been there to understand but IT HAPPENS many times (not every time) when people are prayed for under the Power of the Holy Spirit. I went on a mission Trip to Peru South America with a healing evangelist some years later, and I experienced praying for sick people AND WATCHING THEM FALL UNDER THE POWER. There was times (again not every time) I COULD LITERALLY FEEL THE RUSHING POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT GOING OUT OF MY HAND INTO THEM. It was as if my hand had become a PIPE WHICH FLOWED WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I prayed for my own wife before we were married, and she fell down in my sisters kitchen and was baptised with the Holy Ghost. I HAVE LEARNED that the Holy Spirit is TANGIABLE AND FLOWS FROM THE HANDS OF THE SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVER INTO THE PERSON BEING PRAYED FOR. It is the Anointing that BREAKS THE YOKE of what ever it is that BINDS THAT PERSON. This is why Jesus touched many when He healed them. IT IS A BIBLE DOCTRINE taught in the Word. "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundations of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and OF LAYING ON OF HANDS, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb. 6:1-2 "And these signs shall follow them that belive; In My NAME shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, AND THEY SHALL RECOVER." Mark 16:17-18 For those who think there is no SCRIPTURE FOR THIS FALLING DOWN in the Bible read: John18: 5-6 "They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I AM HE. And Judas also, shich betrayed him, stood whith them. AS SOON THEN AS HE HAD SAID UNTO THEM, I AM HE, THEY WENT BACKWARD, AND FELL TO THE GROUND. In the Old Testament read of Daniels experience when He had an encounter: Daniel 110: 12-21. In these verses we read how Daniel: LOST HIS STRENGTH V. 17 COULDN'T TALK v. 17 NOT ABLE TO BREATH v. 17 He was TOUCHED BY THE HAND (by one like the appearance of a man) AND HE WAS GIVEN BACK HIS STREANGTH AND COULD TALK AGAIN. v.18 EXPERIENCED PEACE v. 19 Edited by Ken Dewey, Nov 25 2009, 12:06 PM.
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| Wil | Nov 26 2009, 11:52 AM Post #9 |
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Thanks for the great testimonies Hope and Ken,
Not too many on a forum like this one disagree on this.
This is what I referred to in the other thread:
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| countrybumpkin | Nov 28 2009, 02:42 AM Post #10 |
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My gosh Ken, I am so excited over this thread. It is the reason I signed up after lurking here for at least two years. My Dad and I both died with out of the body experiences and I prayed him back from death. It is an awesome testimony . Through it all God told us.. Because I knew my authority in Jesus.. my Dad lived and did not die. Although he was dead my Dad heard me tell the spirit of death to leave and declare that Dad would live to declare the glory of the Lord. I say all of that to say this.. Jesus said.. IT IS FINISHED.. then he took back the keys from hell.. and told us.. go and do the things I have done and GREATER.. Did he question himself? Did he hesitate? No ..why? Because he knew his AUTHORITY.. which I add he handed down to US!! We have POWER OF ATTORNEY! Are we not HEIRS ? YES WE ARE! Then we must act like it!! LIKE GOD TOLD ME.. why does everybody go around looking down all the time? Don't they know we won? If they only knew they would dance on the devil.. Dance he said.. Whose report will I believe.. I will believe the report of the Lord. STAND..BELIEVE ..RECEIVE.. Pray doubt do without.. Like a pitbull after steak.. DONT GIVE UP.. My Dad heard many praying for him that day.. he said.. but they did not avail.. they were mamby pamby prayers. (made by well meaning..religious people sitting in dead churches where their faith can NOT grow..because doubt is planted in seed form in what they allow themselves to hear from the pulpit) God showed us that..period..through our experiences.. and much more.) Prayers that hit the ceiling and bounced back.. then Dad said he heard me shout .. SATAN IN THE NAME OF JESUS>> SPIRIT OF DEATH I REBUKE YOU etc.. Later he said.. I know I am alive because you KNEW YOUR AUTHORITY IN JESUS.. as soon as I heard you I was back in my body. Say what you will but I KNOW.. we MUST be UNSHAKABLE in our beliefs.. we cannot straddle the fence when all hell breaks loose ..we MUST resolve these issues now while we can still hear the voice of the Lord.. because a time comes when we will not.. God said many voices then will crowd out my voice.. such as fear. He also said Time is of the essence. Seek me now while I may be found. Do not waste time. Thank you for your wisdom Ken.. it is ALL right on.. Where is your website? |
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| hope | Nov 28 2009, 10:46 AM Post #11 |
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I was just reminded about my father's passing. We took him to the emergency room where we had several other times. I was praying in the spirit for him and then I heard, "not this time, higher purpose." He had blood clots in his legs and he had prior surgeries (bypasses). But one time, they couldn't do a bypass and wanted to take his leg. He said no because he already only had one arm from WWII. He said he wouldn't go through that again so they let him go home until they felt he'd be back for it to be removed. God intervened and his leg was never removed. This time as I was praying and heard "not this time, higher purpose" I believed it to be that the leg wouldn't be saved. He did have a much harder time, he had two surgeries and was in intensive care and they had to leave his leg open for a couple of days for the swelling to go down. But during the morning of the 3rd day, I got a call from ICU, we threw our clothes on and rushed to the hospital. It was too late, he had coughed and choked to death on his own phlegm. So God did not heal him this time and I was at total peace because God had told me "not this time, higher purpose". I knew it was God's will. I was very grieved and sad to lose him, but I knew God was in control. My dad was 84 years old and it was his day to see the Lord and my mother who had died 16 years earlier. |
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| Ken Dewey | Nov 28 2009, 09:32 PM Post #12 |
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All of you for your words. I want to go on with the DISCUSSION ABOUT FAITH TO BELIEVE FOR HEALING. I believe that THIS IS THE KEY UNDERSTANDING to see the truth. The Scripture tells us in Hebrews 11 THAT FAITH WAS THE IMPORTANT ISSUE for all those in the Past. Hebrew 11 is THE ROLL CALL OF THE FAITH. In this chapter we read of great men and women who all moved in Faith and that THEIR FAITH was the reason why their names were written down in the eternal book for all to read and be reminded of forever. THERE MUST BE SOMETING VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT FAITH!!!! In God's mind of things, I BELEIVE IT IS FOREMOST IMPORTANT. The Scripture says that God Himself moved in Faith. He began the whole teaching. In Genesis the word tells us that God Created the heavens and the earth. FROM NOTHING. The word create means to make something FROM NOTHING. In creating the world and all the universe God..... WALKED OUT ON THE SPACE OF NOTHING....AND SPOKE. He did not take a bunch of substances and build....HE SPOKE and the substances appeared. It took FAITH to do this. God never would ask us to do anything IMPOSSIBLE and that He Himself has not already done. He moved by faith and so we are commanded to do likewise. Notice in Hebrews 11:1-3 at the definitation of faith: "1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2. FOR BY IT (faith) THE ELDERS OBTAINED A GOOD REPORT. "3. THROUGH FAITH we understand that the worlds were framed BY THE WORD OF GOD, so that things which are seen were not made OF THINGS WHICH APPEAR." Thus we see and know faith is: 1. Substance of things [only] hoped for. 2. Evidence (reality) of things not seen(things that do not exist yet). 3. By faith those in the Past (Elders) were given a "GOOD REPORT". 4. The worlds were created by GOD'S FAITH. 5. God's FAITH was demonstrated by HIS WORDS (speaking). 6. The outcome could not be described by natural reasoning. 7. Faith is spiritual and not in the NATURAL UNDERSTANDING. These verses will keep the diligent Bible student studying for a long long time. IT IS DEEP. Faith can only be understood by REVELATION KNOWLEDGE, for the A. Paul wrote in Romans 10:17: "So them FAITH COMETH by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD." FAITH MUST COME FROM GOD TO US. Question???? WHAT IS FAITH? Answer! IT IS FROM GOD AND IS A GOD SUBSTANCE or fact of reality which comes only from Him. Now I could say a lot more, but time and space fails me to go all the way right now....so let us go on to the next point.... GOD DOES NOT OPERATE IN ANY OTHER MODE OF OPERATION. We see this truth illistrated in Hebrews 11:6: "6. BUT WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM; for he that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE that He (God) is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Since God operates in FAITH than He looks to see if we will as well. If and when we do WE ARE REWARDED. Faith is the key that unlocks the door. In stating this I will go on to say, IN THE MATTER OF HEALING than FAITH IN GOD IS AN ABSOLUTE. We must believe that God is, and I believe we must KNOW THAT GOD IS THE HEALER. I believe it is also absolutely essential to know that IT IS GOD'S WILL TO HEAL. THUS THIS BLOG ON HEALING. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW ABOUT GODS WILL AND HEALING. IF WE SAY IF, that is not FAITH, THAT IS ONLY HOPE. Faith and Hope are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS. Faith is not Hope, and Hope is not Faith. Do you follow me?? If ALL WE HAVE IS HOPE do we have FAITH? The answer is NO. BUT IF WE HAVE FAITH we understand it is ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN HOPE. HOPE IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT in the MIXING OF FAITH. Without Hope where will be form the SUBSTANCE of things....hoped for? Destroy someones HOPE and see them fall. HOPE KEEPS US SEARCHING and that searching leads us to FAITH. Faith than becomes a REALITY, based upon that which we hope for. We should always be BUILDING UP PEOPLES FAITH, THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT. LET ME GIVE YOU A BIBLE STORY TO ILLISTRATE THE ABOVE TURTH. In MARK 5:25-34" "25. And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26. And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 27. When she had HEARD OF JESUS, came in the press behind, and touched His garment. 28. FOR SHE SAID, If I may touch but his clothes, I SHALL BE WHOLE. 29: And STRAIGHTWAY (immediately) the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was HEALED OF HER PLAGUE. 30. And Jesus, IMMEDIATELY KNOWING IN HIMSELF THAT VIRTUE HAD GONE OUT OF HIM, turned him about in the press, and said, WHO TOUCHED MY CLOTHES? 31. And His disciples said unto Him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, who touched Me? 32. And He looked round about to see her that done this thing. 33. But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before Him, and told Him all truth. 34. And He said unto her, Daughter THY FAITH HATH MADE THEE WHOLE; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague." Now let us comment about this story. 1. Notice the woman when she HEARD OF JESUS said in FAITH if I can but touch his garments, I will be healed! Why did she have such faith? Was it not because she had heard that Jesus was ANOINTED TO HEAL THE SICK for every where He went He healed the sick? She had a very strong HOPE and therefore was MOVED IN FAITH. 2. Notice that JESUS DID NOT KNOW WHO TOUCHED HIM. I point this out for Jesus Himself DID NOT MAKE THE DECISION CONCRNING IF SHE WAS TO BE HEALED OR NOT.... No, Jesus was just walking along in a multitude of people and HE ONLY KNEW THAT HE HAD BEEN TOUCHED BECAUSE..... HE FELT THE VIRTUE HAD GONE OUT OF HIM.v. 30. He only felt the POWER OF HEALING OR THE HOLY GHOST go out of Him INTO SOMEONE ELSE. There were many touching him that day, but ONLY THE WOMAN WITH FAITH had a touch of FAITH. HER FAITH DREW OUT THE HEALING POWER FROM JESUS. 3. Now notice IMMEDIATELY SHE WAS HEALED. She was healed and knew it at the MOMENT SHE TOUCHED JESUS. Jesus than turned around looking for the one who had FAITH and seeing her than He knew. 4. NOTICE JESUS SAID.... HE DID NOT HEAL HER, BUT HE TOLD HER IT WAS HER FAITH THAT HEALED HER. Now I conclude that this story could not have happened IF IT HAD TO BE DETERMINED BEFORE EACH PERSON IS HEALED OR NOT HEALED, they MUST ASK.... IS GOD'S WILL TO HEAL THE SICK. It makes perfect sence to me to see that IT IS GOD'S WILL TO HEAL ANY ONE who has FAITH in Jesus. No questions were asked WILL YOU HEAL ME??? IS IT YOUR WILL???? No She believed and had FAITH that when she touched Jesus she would be healed. Therefore I conclude that the HOLY SPIRIT ANOINTING is standing ready to HEAL ANYONE who has FAITH in Jesus' ANOINTING TO HEAL. On the day Jesus stood up for the first time in Nazareth his home town, in Luke 4:18 we read the following statement made by Jesus from scripture concrning him: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath ANOINTED ME to preah the Gospel to the poor; He hath sent me TO HEAL the broken hearted, to preach DELIVERANCE to the captives, and RECOVERY OF SIGHT to the BLIND, to SET AT LIBERTY them that ARE BRUISED, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord." This story of the WOMAN WITH THE ISSUE OF BLOOD is not the only story in the Bible with this emphasis upon FAITH, but there are many. This is submitted to you all for your careful consideration. Love, Ken Dewey |
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| faithworks | Nov 28 2009, 11:13 PM Post #13 |
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I believe obedience is the key to healing,and sometimes prayer gets answered with fasting and seeking His face.... The key for me was obedience and as was stated on another thread to walk in His, holiness........ I know I have been healed 4 times from cancer, it was not fun losing my hair and being sick all the time.. But, in the process the Lord saved a number of people including a doctor.... He knows what He is doing and when and how He wants to do it..... Blessings & Shalom, debbi rennier |
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| Wil | Nov 29 2009, 12:55 PM Post #14 |
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"He knows what He is doing and when and how He wants to do it....." No christian will argue that we need faith in order to receive healing or anything from the Lord, and yes many a christian is not aware of the authority we have in Jesus, however as has been mentioned the examples of Paul (thorn in flesh, poor vision) and Job as well as the testimonies show that God's workings in our lives "override" our faith and authority at times and we won't receive until His work is accomplished. This is what is meant when "if it is your will" is said. Ken Jesus healed all who believed while He was on earth because it was part of the plan to show that He was who He said He was, however these were not yet born again children of His that He was personally working His will and purposes on. |
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| bob-bob-bob | Nov 29 2009, 09:41 PM Post #15 |
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I have not posted here for many reasons but I will now . First Who are we to question GOD ? Yes many die from illness , some with great suffering . But GOD's plan is perfect , it is a plan that many times we simply do not understand . I cannot help but think thay many times we seem to put GOD to the test , (Somthing Jesus said NOT to do ) it is like : " Ok GOD I have prayed , now answer it." As someone who has worked in customer service for many years , I can attest to the following : We as a nation of people demand INSTANT GRATIFICATION ! Its like saying " GOD grant me patience an give it to me RIGHT NOW ! This I think is where we fail in our walk with GOD . Once we have passed our burdens to him we don't want to wait . As I said , this posting has bothered me and still does . I don't think we should question god's plan . IMO bob-bob-bob |
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| Shershalom | Nov 30 2009, 08:49 AM Post #16 |
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Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (New King James Version) 1 To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven: 2 A time to be born, And a time to die; A time to plant, And a time to pluck what is planted; 3 A time to kill, And a time to heal; A time to break down, And a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn, And a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, And a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to gain, And a time to lose; A time to keep, And a time to throw away; 7 A time to tear, And a time to sew; A time to keep silence, And a time to speak; 8 A time to love, And a time to hate; A time of war, And a time of peace. 
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| Israeli | Nov 30 2009, 09:31 AM Post #17 |
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And a time to make Aliyah!  I'm just joking! I know you have no means at the moment! 
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| Ken Dewey | Nov 30 2009, 10:16 AM Post #18 |
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 The Scripture says in 1 John 2:6, "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." KJV Let us read it in the AMPLIFIED VERSION: "Whoever says he abides in Him ought [as a personal debt] to walk and conduct himself in the same way in which He walked and conducted himself." The word abide means: to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy). it us defined in verses as: abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, reamin, stand, tarry (for) In John 15:4 the amplified vesion translates the word abide as: "Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Now the point is....SINCE JESUS WALKED IN HEALING for all who came to Him and He said HE WALKED IN HIS FATHERS WILL, than how is it that we question how we are to walk today. Was Jesus walking only to prove Himself, OR WAS HE LEADING OUT IN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE ARE TO WALK AS WELL? I believe that this shows that we are to WALK AS HE WALKED. Jesus walked toward all men WITH HEALING. Since Jesus walked this way than WE MUST ALSO. Jesus said even in John 17:17 "As thou hast sent Me into the world, EVEN SO HAVE I ALSO SENT THEM INTO THE WORLD." Jesus told His disciples in Matthew 10:1... "And when He had called unto him His disciples, HE GAVE THEM POWER against unclean spirits, to cast them out, AND TO HEAL ALL MANNER OF SICKNESS AND ALL MANNER OF DISEASE." again in the same chapter in verse 8 we read further he told them to.... "HEAL THE SICK, CLEANSE THE LEPERS, RAISE THE DEAD, CAST OUT DEVILS; FREELY YE HAVE RECEIVED FREELY GIVE..." The above states that we are to WALK AS HE WALKED. Well Jesus walked as a Healer of all sick people. He came in the Goodness of God and healed them. He even raised the dead!!! This was His example for us to follow. Yes Jesus did prove His ministry by his miracles, but It was not said just of Jesus. In Hebrews 2:3-4.... "3.How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him; 4. God also BEARING THEM WITNESS BOTH WITH SIGNS AND WONDERS, AND WITH DIVERS MIRACLES, AND THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY GHOST, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL?" My concluing statement than is: Jesus did more than just prove his Diety by his miracles. He set the pattern for His Followers and gave them detailed instructions as to how that walk would be. He walked in definite patterns for our instruction. Than commanded us all to GO INTO ALL THE WORLD carrying His message and manner of life. If Jesus healed all the Sick, should we consider that LESS THAN THIS is now our manner of ministry. It is common that believers base their beliefs upon everything else Jesus began and did, but in the area of HEALING OF THE SICK we stop and say....O' This was only for Jesus to prove his Diety. I believe this is a wrong interpretation.  Edited by Ken Dewey, Nov 30 2009, 10:20 AM.
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| Israeli | Nov 30 2009, 10:35 AM Post #19 |
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There is a Russian language congregation in my town that is WORD-FAITH, Hyper-Charasmatic, based on the teachings of Kenneth Hagin's REHMA Ministry, Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn, and they are focused only on the gift of HEALING too. Their whole message is based on healing and getting healed. They have healing meetings, and healing teachers come from all over the world to speak. Edited by Israeli, Nov 30 2009, 12:19 PM.
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| Ken Dewey | Nov 30 2009, 10:36 AM Post #20 |
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It is true that we are not to QUESTION GOD. I agree. We must agree with God and GOD' WORD. The questions being ask here are questions about WHAT MEN SAY ABOUT GOD and I may add....WHAT THEY TEACH ABOUT GODS TEACHING ON THE SUBJECT OF HEALING. It is not wrong to defend the Word of God? We must as Jude said... 3. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith, which was once delivered unto the saints. 4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS AND DENYING THE ONLY LORD GOD, AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." Edited by Ken Dewey, Nov 30 2009, 10:37 AM.
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