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Latest Watchman's Cry Message by Nathan Leal
Topic Started: Oct 14 2009, 02:49 AM (2,314 Views)
Josepha	Jan 23 2010, 12:55 AM Post #41
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	Judgment belongs to God alone. I told Nathan that, and "it raised a red flag" in him towards me. Still, I was only quoting the Word of God.



justme	Jan 23 2010, 02:02 PM Post #42
Advanced Member Posts: 735 Group: Advanced Members Member #2,410 Joined: December 17, 2007	What are you talkng about Josepha?
	The Lord gives us the poor to test our level of selfishness.


Josepha	Jan 23 2010, 02:25 PM Post #43
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	When I signed up to the wtachmanscry forum, I posted my intro, and due to past experiences on christian forums where I was judged and falsely accused, I mentioned in my intro that judgment belongs to God alone. Immediately after I received a PM from Nathan, that my remark raised a red flag in Him about me. That same day I was banned, based on my only one post, the introduction. I most certainly do not want to cause strife. But I am weary about forums in general, as they are filled with mockers, deceivers, deceived and those that love to throw the first stone. Instead of that we all examine the mote in our own eye, many prefer to point at the splinter in the eye of our brothers and sisters. Not many see the difference between the loving warning (which God prefers) and the condemnational judgment (which many men prefer). Basically I was shocked as Nathan banned me, based on a post that spoke the Truth. The Body of Christ is yet in deep disarray, and I call once again for unity, the very thing that satan is trying to prevent. Without self examination and laying down all that is not from God, (dieing to self, repetance and purification) this unity can not occur. I would lay my life down, but many are vowing to kill everyone who says something unpleasant but spoken out of love. God allows us to learn from errors. But He does not like when people sit at His Throne.



justme	Jan 23 2010, 03:02 PM Post #44
Advanced Member Posts: 735 Group: Advanced Members Member #2,410 Joined: December 17, 2007	That explains much more than you other post that left things open ended. I cannot speak for Nathan as I do not know him even though I have heard him on watchmen's radio and such. Banning for a first post seems strange without giving an explaination. Maybe he mistook your point and thought you were one of those who harp on Matt 7:1 as an excuse to dismiss everyone's actions as between them and the Lord. Too many so called believers are now saying you cannot judge me or you will be in danger of the judgement. We know that is a twisting of scripture. If the Word condemns it are we judging by simply pointing out what it says? Of course not. But there are now many who say we cannot even speak out about sin or we will be judging. These type do not even know the scripture but only a few select verses. They have turned the grace of our God into lasciviousness.
	The Lord gives us the poor to test our level of selfishness.


gibby62	Jan 24 2010, 12:24 AM Post #45
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	Amen, justme!! Hubby and I have been having some discussions about this subject lately. We should and are called to call sin what it is...SIN. Does this mean we are judgmental or does this mean we are discerning?? Political correctness has caused us to be so worry to offend, but nobody seems to take into account that everyone is allowed to offend Christians and what we believe. We can not speak out about homosexuality without being jailed for a hate crime. On the other hand they can mock our Jesus at every turn without any repercussions.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 12:41 AM Post #46
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	gibby is that a reference to me? then show me what the sin part is of saying "Judgement belongs to God alone"?



Light House	Jan 24 2010, 01:25 AM Post #47
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	I am just going to throw this out here, before I forget my thought. I will have to revisit this tomorrow for the hour is late. (Sorry WIL my post should be over in bible discussion) The way I understand it, is Our Father is the ultimate judge yes. But through out scripture there are situations that we as Christians or rather certain people that are allowed to judge and judge righteously. (King Solomon comes to mind 1 Kings 3:9-13) If we did not judge righteously say judging ones fruits then there would be pastors / and people in places holding positions that they should not be. I hope that made sense. It's human nature to judge we do it every single day most of the time without realization that we have. That is one good reason to be asking for forgiveness daily. There are scriptures supporting both situations. 1 Cor 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Proverbs 31:9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew 7:1-6 Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, �Let me take the speck out of your eye,� when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ... James 4:11-12 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? Something else to take into consideration and maybe someone else can shed some light on this. I read or heard this someplace and made note in my bible "the words translated as JUDGE in Scripture are also translated Examine, Search, Discern, Ask, Question, Contend, Esteem, and Determine. Edited by Light House, Jan 24 2010, 01:44 AM.



Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 01:43 AM Post #48
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	My favourite: Matthew 6 [9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. [11] Give us this day our daily bread. [12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. [13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. [14] For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. That is for me the starting point of calling each other brother and sister, lest I walk in vanity. Edited by Josepha, Jan 24 2010, 01:44 AM.



gibby62	Jan 24 2010, 09:38 AM Post #49
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	Josepha Jan 24 2010, 12:41 AM gibby is that a reference to me? then show me what the sin part is of saying "Judgement belongs to God alone"? Huh????
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 01:02 PM Post #50
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	gibby62 Jan 24 2010, 09:38 AM Josepha Jan 24 2010, 12:41 AM gibby is that a reference to me? then show me what the sin part is of saying "Judgement belongs to God alone"? Huh???? The "Huh?" reaction tells me you do not read the comments in this thread. You should, so I do not have to type it all again?



Israeli	Jan 24 2010, 02:13 PM Post #51
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	gibby62 Jan 24 2010, 12:24 AM Amen, justme!! Hubby and I have been having some discussions about this subject lately. We should and are called to call sin what it is...SIN. Does this mean we are judgmental or does this mean we are discerning?? Political correctness has caused us to be so worry to offend, but nobody seems to take into account that everyone is allowed to offend Christians and what we believe. We can not speak out about homosexuality without being jailed for a hate crime. On the other hand they can mock our Jesus at every turn without any repercussions. Well put Gibb.



gibby62	Jan 24 2010, 02:28 PM Post #52
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	Josepha Jan 24 2010, 01:02 PM gibby62 Jan 24 2010, 09:38 AM Josepha Jan 24 2010, 12:41 AM gibby is that a reference to me? then show me what the sin part is of saying "Judgement belongs to God alone"? Huh???? The "Huh?" reaction tells me you do not read the comments in this thread. You should, so I do not have to type it all again? I did read your comment. What I'm saying is that God has called us to judge things for what they are. Homosexuality is a sin. We should call it a sin. That is not being judgmental, that is being factual. Homosexuals would say I am guilty of a hate crime because I condemn the sin (and therefore the person commiting the sin). Does that mean I should not pray for the PERSON or that the person cannot redeemed? Of course not.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 02:57 PM Post #53
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	I think you are in a completely different train of thought, for I was not talking about homosexuality, nor about whether we should pray for anyone (I believe yes we should pray for any sinner, as we all are sinners). I am talking about the right to judge. The Word of our loving God is very clear on this. John.8 [7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. James 1 [19] Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: From where I stand, I see almost everyone pointing fingers. To me the Two Great Commandments that the Lord Jesus gave us, say it all: Matthew 22 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



gibby62	Jan 24 2010, 06:06 PM Post #54
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	I was using homosexuality as an example. Some people think that calling any sin a sin is being judgmental. I disagree with that.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 07:17 PM Post #55
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	Surely there is no shortage of christians who are keen to point out their brothers and sisters sin (the best christian contest), but few who are willing to go the extra mile to turn them from sinning. Let me be humble and be counted in the second category, Amen. Matt.5 [41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Edited by Josepha, Jan 24 2010, 07:20 PM.



Light House	Jan 24 2010, 07:57 PM Post #56
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	gibby62 Jan 24 2010, 06:06 PM I was using homosexuality as an example. Some people think that calling any sin a sin is being judgmental. I disagree with that. I agree with Gibby here. I do not believe that you are seeing the whole picture. When you say "judgment belongs to God alone" those are pretty big words to use especially when it's pretty clear that your miss using this statement. If I am wrong I am wrong so be it. IF you look at Matt 7:6 alone. You can judge but not till you have judged yourself. You can't help another that is in sin If you are committing the same sin. Matthew 7:1-6 Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, �Let me take the speck out of your eye,� when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ... Just as in the passage you just used. John 8:7, Jesus on the Mt Olive and they brought this women who had committed adultery. They could not condemn her because they were not sinless themselves. John 8:1-12 1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. At this point I urge you to seek the lord for understanding. I am done and would refer you back to my earlier post. with additional scriptures. Blessings to all.



Josepha	Jan 24 2010, 09:10 PM Post #57
servant Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #5,167 Joined: January 4, 2010	Thank you for agreeing with me, Light House, and expanding on my quote of John 8:7. As for your indication that I do not see the whole picture, I am more than happy to hear what you know about the picture I see, that is a wonderful gift.



gibby62	Jan 24 2010, 10:06 PM Post #58
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	WE don't turn people from sinning, only God through the Holy Spirit does that. All we can do is teach God's word and identify sin according to His Word. Just like we don't make the Word grow in people's hearts, we just plant the seeds. The difference between our sins and theirs is we should be confessing our sins and begging for forgiveness and then sin no more. Edited by gibby62, Jan 24 2010, 10:08 PM.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Light House	Jan 24 2010, 11:40 PM Post #59
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	Josepha Jan 24 2010, 09:10 PM Thank you for agreeing with me, Light House, and expanding on my quote of John 8:7. As for your indication that I do not see the whole picture, I am more than happy to hear what you know about the picture I see, that is a wonderful gift. To Wil, I'm sorry if I am about to step out of line here. But I feel I must. I'm sorry Josepha, if you are agreeing with me then you are agreeing with others here, to the fact that one may judge another if you have judged yourself first and found nothing wrong. In John 8:7 if you read the entire story you will find that they could not throw stones at her because they were all guilty of the same sin that they judged her for. So that takes us back to Matt 7 :1-6, that basically states you can judge another if you have first judge yourself and found nothing wrong. OR rather that you have pulled the LOG out of your EYE before pulling it out of your brothers. So, back to your original statement that "Judgement belongs to God alone" After throughly reading all the scriptures here and comments made here I can't see how you can feel that "Judgement belongs to God alone". I don't want to sound callous, but I think it's time to agree to disagree and leave it at that. now:



Light House	Jan 24 2010, 11:41 PM Post #60
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	gibby62 Jan 24 2010, 10:06 PM WE don't turn people from sinning, only God through the Holy Spirit does that. All we can do is teach God's word and identify sin according to His Word. Just like we don't make the Word grow in people's hearts, we just plant the seeds. The difference between our sins and theirs is we should be confessing our sins and begging for forgiveness and then sin no more. You said what I was trying to say...thanks gibby



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