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Latest Watchman's Cry Message by Nathan Leal
Topic Started: Oct 14 2009, 02:49 AM (2,315 Views)
gibby62	Nov 3 2009, 04:43 PM Post #21
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	When I was listening, I took it to mean that as bad as we think it will be...it will be much, much worse. We underestimate how really, really bad it's gonna be. I think they were trying to drive home the point to get prepared physically AND spritually. Perhaps they should have chose their words more carefully.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


lightningrod	Nov 4 2009, 01:44 AM Post #22
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	God bless this dude Nathan Leal I have a question His Forum Rules says: http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?s=05ed9b6e40f12b7d0fa3a8becad9cdd9&t=2778 Things that cause banning 2. Spreading the dark heresies of the N.A.R., third day dominionists, Kingdom Now, etc. If these things happen because of ignorance and if the accused member is willing to be taught that it is biblically wrong, they will find mercy. But coming in here with the intent to spread their teachings will not be tolerated. This also includes making kingdom now dominionist type of third day - declaration / proclamations in a threatening manner. This place is not the Elijah List!!! Who/what is N.A.R. ? Who/what are third day dominionists ? Who/what is Kingdom Now ? What is the Elijah List ? Edited by lightningrod, Nov 4 2009, 01:45 AM.
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


John 103	Nov 4 2009, 02:20 AM Post #23
Member Posts: 88 Group: Members Member #5,057 Joined: April 25, 2009	I read a book this summer by Dr. Richard Booker called, "The End of All Things is at Hand, Are You Ready?" In the book he talks about some of the teachings you asked about. It is a short section and he calls them false teachings. In the book on page 171, he says, "Kingdom Now teaching says that the Church will establish God's kingdom on earth before Jesus comes. Once this happens, the church will invite Jesus to come and rule over his kingdom. . ." page 172, "It is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of Scripture that teaches that believers are little gods who can confess God's kingdom into existence by speaking the word of faith. We simply use our God-like powers to confess it into being." He also talks about Dominion Theology on that same page. "Dominion Theology also teaches that the Church will establish God's kingdom on the earth. . . . It teaches that the church will establish God's kingdom on earth through worldwide missionary efforts and political activism." And finally on page 173 he says (paraphrasing) that niether Kingdom Now or Dominion Theology are biblically sound. I have never heard of the other things you mentioned, but these two rang a bell from reading the book. Hope this helps a little. Bear in mind this is only one source. I have no other knowledge of this topic. Best of luck on your quest for further information!



Israeli	Nov 4 2009, 04:22 AM Post #24
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	lightningrod Nov 4 2009, 01:44 AM God bless this dude Nathan Leal I have a question His Forum Rules says: http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?s=05ed9b6e40f12b7d0fa3a8becad9cdd9&t=2778 Things that cause banning 2. Spreading the dark heresies of the N.A.R., third day dominionists, Kingdom Now, etc. If these things happen because of ignorance and if the accused member is willing to be taught that it is biblically wrong, they will find mercy. But coming in here with the intent to spread their teachings will not be tolerated. This also includes making kingdom now dominionist type of third day - declaration / proclamations in a threatening manner. This place is not the Elijah List!!! Who/what is N.A.R. ? Who/what are third day dominionists ? Who/what is Kingdom Now ? What is the Elijah List ? New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) C. Peter Wagner founded it out from the Kansas City Prophets Mentors are William Branham, Paul Cain, etc. It is an extention of the New Order of the Latter Rain. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/New_Apostolic_Reformation.html Kingdom Now is a movement or belief that we TAKE THIS WORLD FOR Jesus BEFORE He will return. That He will not return until this is done. Pat Robertson is a big believer in this. The Elijah list: http://www.elijahlist.com/ The Elijah List has a lot of fluffy pilow prophecies, and vague or just false prophecies. If you want to find a true prophecy there you got to really weed through all the false. This place will explain alot about these movements as well as false teachers and prophecy: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/narfalseprophecies.html



lightningrod	Nov 4 2009, 10:04 AM Post #25
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	John 103 Nov 4 2009, 02:20 AM I read a book this summer by Dr. Richard Booker called, "The End of All Things is at Hand, Are You Ready?" In the book he talks about some of the teachings you asked about. It is a short section and he calls them false teachings. In the book on page 171, he says, "Kingdom Now teaching says that the Church will establish God's kingdom on earth before Jesus comes. Once this happens, the church will invite Jesus to come and rule over his kingdom. . ." page 172, "It is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of Scripture that teaches that believers are little gods who can confess God's kingdom into existence by speaking the word of faith. We simply use our God-like powers to confess it into being." He also talks about Dominion Theology on that same page. "Dominion Theology also teaches that the Church will establish God's kingdom on the earth. . . . It teaches that the church will establish God's kingdom on earth through worldwide missionary efforts and political activism." And finally on page 173 he says (paraphrasing) that niether Kingdom Now or Dominion Theology are biblically sound. I have never heard of the other things you mentioned, but these two rang a bell from reading the book. Hope this helps a little. Bear in mind this is only one source. I have no other knowledge of this topic. Best of luck on your quest for further information! ok thanks yea, that sounds crazy We cannot establish God's Kingdom here on earth before Jesus comes
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


lightningrod	Nov 4 2009, 10:12 AM Post #26
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	Israeli Nov 4 2009, 04:22 AM New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) C. Peter Wagner founded it out from the Kansas City Prophets Mentors are William Branham, Paul Cain, etc. It is an extention of the New Order of the Latter Rain. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/New_Apostolic_Reformation.html Kingdom Now is a movement or belief that we TAKE THIS WORLD FOR Jesus BEFORE He will return. That He will not return until this is done. Pat Robertson is a big believer in this. The Elijah list: http://www.elijahlist.com/ The Elijah List has a lot of fluffy pilow prophecies, and vague or just false prophecies. If you want to find a true prophecy there you got to really weed through all the false. This place will explain alot about these movements as well as false teachers and prophecy: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/narfalseprophecies.html ok thanks I have no idea why William Branham is on that list of false prophets I don't know every details of his doctrine, but I believe that he was a man of God I don't like to throw around this 'false prophet' accusation lightly Job's 3 friends accused him of not being right with God And God became very angry at Job's 3 friends In the end, Job had to pray for them There is a very long list of false prophets on the link I would say off the bat that Creflo Dollar and Benny Hinn are false prophets. The rest I don't know them and I have no desire to study in detail their doctrinal beliefs to determine if they are false prophets or not I looked at that Elijah List site and have no idea what they're all about
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


Morning Star	Nov 4 2009, 11:00 AM Post #27
Advanced Member Posts: 217 Group: Members Member #5,090 Joined: June 24, 2009	I believe in kingdom now the prophets have said that Jesus will not come back for a wrinkled bride just a spotless one..It is up to us when we get our job done he will come back for us..It is not fair to the unbelievers if we show no power to the world and then he takes us..We have to raise the dead heal the sick in America and Europe before he comes back..
	This is the day that the Lord has made and I will be glad and rejoice in it...Praise the Lord for His love endures forever!!


lightningrod	Nov 4 2009, 11:07 AM Post #28
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	Morning Star Nov 4 2009, 11:00 AM I believe in kingdom now the prophets have said that Jesus will not come back for a wrinkled bride just a spotless one..It is up to us when we get our job done he will come back for us..It is not fair to the unbelievers if we show no power to the world and then he takes us..We have to raise the dead heal the sick in America and Europe before he comes back.. Is this their website? http://www.kingdomnow.org I just browsed their first 20... 95 Theses The statement of our beliefs http://www.kingdomnow.org/95Theses.html So far I agree with everything they said there. Their first 20 statements Maybe another time I'll take the time and read all 95
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


Wil	Nov 5 2009, 12:40 AM Post #29
Administrator Posts: 12,567 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Morning Star Nov 4 2009, 11:00 AM I believe in kingdom now the prophets have said that Jesus will not come back for a wrinkled bride just a spotless one..It is up to us when we get our job done he will come back for us..It is not fair to the unbelievers if we show no power to the world and then he takes us..We have to raise the dead heal the sick in America and Europe before he comes back.. A spotless bride doesn't mean the world turns to Jesus before He can come back though, and though I am believing there will be a last great outpouring of His Spirit before He comes this is not the same as this doctrine, which states that the church will purge the world of all evil influences before He comes back and that there is no rapture at all (pre, mid or post). As for the Elijah List though they have some legitimacies prophecies on it they also post scripturally unsound ones that promote erroneous doctrine such as K.N. and "prophets" such as Kim Clement and Benny Hinn that have been proven time and again that they are anything but.



lightningrod	Nov 6 2009, 03:59 AM Post #30
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	Well I tried registering at his forum about 2 days ago He must approve all regsitrations and he has not approved mine Does he have any prophecies about the evil internet and bannings? That's very christian of him to not allow me on his forum [sarcasm]
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


Rog	Nov 6 2009, 08:22 AM Post #31
Advanced Member Posts: 580 Group: Advanced Members Member #174 Joined: May 12, 2006	lightningrod Nov 6 2009, 03:59 AM Well I tried registering at his forum about 2 days ago He must approve all regsitrations and he has not approved mine Does he have any prophecies about the evil internet and bannings? That's very christian of him to not allow me on his forum [sarcasm] Don't feel bad, I tried registering a few weeks ago, and he rejected me. I guess I'm an evil, trouble making Christian. I was pretty offended by that.



gibby62	Nov 6 2009, 08:27 AM Post #32
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	Guess I was lucky and got on before they started registering!! They had a spate of trolls that were causing problems. BTW, they are firmly not pre-trib rapture.
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


Morning Star	Nov 6 2009, 09:35 AM Post #33
Advanced Member Posts: 217 Group: Members Member #5,090 Joined: June 24, 2009	what forum are you talking about?
	This is the day that the Lord has made and I will be glad and rejoice in it...Praise the Lord for His love endures forever!!


gibby62	Nov 6 2009, 09:55 AM Post #34
Adopted Child of God Posts: 2,987 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,933 Joined: October 29, 2008	watchmanscry.com/forum
	Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:11-12


lightningrod	Nov 6 2009, 11:33 AM Post #35
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	Rog Nov 6 2009, 08:22 AM Don't feel bad, I tried registering a few weeks ago, and he rejected me. I guess I'm an evil, trouble making Christian. I was pretty offended by that. Oh ok thanks That's weird (that they didn't accept you) weird stuff Edited by lightningrod, Nov 6 2009, 11:34 AM.
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


lightningrod	Nov 6 2009, 11:40 AM Post #36
Advanced Member Posts: 519 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,938 Joined: November 7, 2008	gibby62 Nov 6 2009, 08:27 AM Guess I was lucky and got on before they started registering!! They had a spate of trolls that were causing problems. BTW, they are firmly not pre-trib rapture. ok thanks I thought you were going to start yelling at me again lol I'm getting paranoid here
	http://www.demongov.com/ubbthreads/ The governments of this world are all demon possessed entities


Rog	Nov 6 2009, 12:32 PM Post #37
Advanced Member Posts: 580 Group: Advanced Members Member #174 Joined: May 12, 2006	lightningrod Nov 6 2009, 11:33 AM Rog Nov 6 2009, 08:22 AM Don't feel bad, I tried registering a few weeks ago, and he rejected me. I guess I'm an evil, trouble making Christian. I was pretty offended by that. Oh ok thanks That's weird (that they didn't accept you) weird stuff Yeah, I didn't think I was that bad. I guess it takes more than being born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit to be a Christian nowadays. Go figure...



Israeli	Nov 6 2009, 04:21 PM Post #38
Advanced Member Posts: 1,731 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	gibby62 Nov 6 2009, 08:27 AM Guess I was lucky and got on before they started registering!! They had a spate of trolls that were causing problems. BTW, they are firmly not pre-trib rapture. Watchmans cry also believes the church is the new Israel.



OnTheHorizon	Nov 6 2009, 08:52 PM Post #39
Advanced Member Posts: 1,338 Group: Advanced Members Member #58 Joined: November 9, 2005	Israeli Nov 6 2009, 04:21 PM gibby62 Nov 6 2009, 08:27 AM BTW, they are firmly not pre-trib rapture. Watchmans cry also believes the church is the new Israel. Well that's a big ole red flag, right there. I don't argue with people about their rapture beliefs but I totally oppose the teaching that the church has replaced Israel.



Rahab	Nov 6 2009, 09:17 PM Post #40
Advanced Member Posts: 387 Group: Members Member #1,728 Joined: August 30, 2007	Israeli Nov 6 2009, 04:21 PM gibby62 Nov 6 2009, 08:27 AM Guess I was lucky and got on before they started registering!! They had a spate of trolls that were causing problems. BTW, they are firmly not pre-trib rapture. Watchmans cry also believes the church is the new Israel. I think there are only a few there that believe that the church is the new Israel. I was upset when I first read a few of the threads stating that and asked if that is what Nathan believed because that is replacement theology and both Donna and Nathan said they did not believe that the church was new Israel. I still can't understand why they tolerate such teaching on their forum.



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