2010 Census - something to think about

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2010 Census - something to think about
Topic Started: Jun 22 2009, 01:14 AM (1,270 Views)
Light House	Jun 22 2009, 01:14 AM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	EXCLUSIVE: Minn. lawmaker vows not to complete Census: Outspoken Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann says she's so worried that information from next year's national census will be abused that she will refuse to fill out anything more than the number of people in her household. In an interview Wednesday morning with The Washington Times "America's Morning News," Mrs. Bachmann, Minnesota Republican, said the questions have become "very intricate, very personal" and she also fears ACORN, the community organizing group that came under fire for its voter registration efforts last year, will be part of the Census Bureau's door-to-door information collection efforts. "I know for my family the only question we will be answering is how many people are in our home," she said. "We won't be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn't require any information beyond that." Shelly Lowe, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Census Bureau, said Mrs. Bachmann is "misreading" the law. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/17/exclusive-minn-lawmaker-fears-census-abuse/ --------------------------------------------------------- I have heard rumors about this....Makes me wonder what are they asking....Something to look into that's for sure...I've seen some stuff on Youtube about this also.... http://2010.census.gov/2010census/recent_news/011812.html List of Questions Odd I think http://2010.census.gov/2010census/pdf/2010ACSnotebook.pdf



locboxx	Jun 22 2009, 03:10 AM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 864 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,912 Joined: September 27, 2008	i really liked the last thing she said: Quote: "We won't be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn't require any information beyond that." i think i will use that if anything comes up :)
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Light House	Jun 22 2009, 10:30 AM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	locboxx Jun 22 2009, 03:10 AM i really liked the last thing she said: Quote: "We won't be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn't require any information beyond that." i think i will use that if anything comes up :) I'm looking at that myself, but a comment was made that by law we have to answer. So, I'm looking to see if that is true. They sure ask a lot of questions that we all know they already know they answer. But then again this is the gov't we all wonder sometimes does the right hand know what the left is doing? I think they would like us to think they don't but lets be real they do I'm sure ..But who knows and does it really matter anymore



OnTheHorizon	Jun 22 2009, 09:46 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 1,338 Group: Advanced Members Member #58 Joined: November 9, 2005	Big Brother... ....is watching.



Light House	Feb 26 2010, 08:36 PM Post #5
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Ken Dewey	Feb 27 2010, 02:14 AM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 484 Group: Members Member #4,947 Joined: November 15, 2008	Thanks Light house that was a very informative post. I have a friend in Texas who was approached to be a census taker, and turned the job down BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFORMATION ASKED FOR ON THE CENSUS. THEY DO NOT NEED TO KNOW.
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TwilightRose	Mar 1 2010, 09:13 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 2,080 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	Light House Feb 26 2010, 08:36 PM Ok, I am confused. I just received my census form in the mail today and filled it out. I posted about it here, not realizing this thread was opened on it. http://all-things-new.net/topic/6683716/1/#new It only had 10 questions on it. So I am scratching my head wondering if perhaps some other people received another census survey to fill out?... I searched online to see if there was another form... I found this link.. which I clicked really quick, not immediately looking to see who listed it. Anyhow, it is from the Census bureau/group. This link shows exactly the 10 questions I was asked on the form: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php I have not seen or read any other articles that state that the form is longer than 10 questions. My thoughts are: A) They shortened the form from what they originally intended. Hence the video is based on the perception that the form would have been longer, based on the original plans from the Census/Govt. B) There is alot of disinformation being circulated on what questions will be on the form, assumptions made, etc. C) There are 2 forms. I highly doubt this, but possible. Anyone on this board received their census today, March 1st? Or am I the only one thus far? hmm.... Here are the 10 questions I answered: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php Edited by TwilightRose, Mar 1 2010, 09:16 PM.
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TwilightRose	Mar 1 2010, 09:18 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 2,080 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	Also, no one is supposed to knock on your door and ask you questions, UNLESS you do not return the form in a timely manner. That's why I returned my form promptly, the same day I received it. Here is what they say: * The Census Bureau provides the census taker with a binder containing all of the addresses that didn't send back a filled out census form * The census taker then visits all of those addresses and records the answers to the questions on the form * If no one answers at a particular residence, a census taker will visit that home up to three times, each time leaving a door hanger featuring a phone number; residents can call the number on the hanger to schedule the visit The census taker will ONLY ask the questions that appear on the census form.
	Twilight R


Quiet Watcher	Mar 1 2010, 09:22 PM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	TR I heard that ALL forms have only the 10 questions this time around. I hope that is true. It should be a head count only...not a tool for social engineering.



TwilightRose	Mar 1 2010, 09:27 PM Post #10
Advanced Member Posts: 2,080 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	Quiet Watcher Mar 1 2010, 09:22 PM TR I heard that ALL forms have only the 10 questions this time around. I hope that is true. Good! Well, I can vouch that it is certainly true in my case! :) I looked back at the article that was posted in the OP, it was from July 2009 (if I recall correctly, without scrolling up). So maybe something changed from back in 2009 to today and now we just have 10 questions! whew! They have all our tax info.. so they can easily figure out any other nosey details they'd like.
	Twilight R


Light House	Mar 2 2010, 12:24 AM Post #11
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	A friend of mine got what ya call the "long form" back in January and I saw it. It's way too personal. She said they had no plans of mailing it in and even consulted their atty about it. Who even told them he was just going to pay the fine if it came down to it. Edited by Light House, Mar 2 2010, 12:30 AM.



Quiet Watcher	Mar 2 2010, 12:38 AM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/census2010.htm Now I'm wondering if the "American Community Survey" form which replaces the long form carries the same legal weight as the short form. Anybody know? Sounds like they are playing a "semantics" game with us! Jul 26 2009 April 1, 2010 is Census Day in the United States. That is the official day of the full and complete count of the resident population (legal and illegal) of the United States. The decennial (every ten years) U.S. Census is an activity that is mandated in the U.S. Constitution. Article I, Section II states: The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. Despite the fact that the U.S. Constitution was not ratified until 1789, the first census of the population of the United States occurred in 1790. Since 1790, the census has taken place every ten years. The last U.S. Census counted the population as of April 1, 2000. The official population on April 1, 2000 was 281,421,906. In anticipation of Census 2010, the U.S. Census Bureau has been working for years in advance to prepare for the complete count in 2010. Research and census rehearsals began in 2003. In 2008, the Bureau held dress rehearsals in two communities: San Joaquin County, California and a nine-county region surrounding Fatetteville, North Carolina. In 2009, the Census Bureau is going door-to-door to update the Bureau�s address lists in anticipation of sending out a census questionnaire to every home in the country in March 2010. While in previous decennial censuses, some homes received a "long form" questionnaire and most homes received a "short form" questionnaire, in the 2010 Census, there will be no long form. Every home will just receive a short questionnaire that should take about ten minutes to complete. The long form was replaced by the American Community Survey which samples a small number of households across the country on a regular basis to obtain important data about the demographics of the country. No household should receive an American Community Survey questionnaire more than once every five years. On the short 2010 Census form, the questions will include: name, age, sex, date of birth, Hispanic origin, race, ethnicity, relationship (to the first name listed on the form), and housing tenure (whether a family owns or rents their home). For the first time, same-sex married couples will be counted in Census 2010. Individuals and families will fill out the form based on accurate information for their household as of April 1, 2010. From April through July 2010, census takers will visit homes that did not return the form to the Census Bureau. Federal law requires every household to comply with census requirements by filling out a form or responding to a census taker's questions. The data collected by the Census Bureau is completely confidential and primarily benefits local program. More than $300 billion in federal money is distributed based on census statistics annually. Once the Census Bureau has collected the population data for every household in the country, the Bureau must provide that data to the President by December 31, 2010. In March 2011 census data is provided to the states to enable the states to redistrict their U.S. House of Representatives districts. The 2010 Census of the population of the United States will be the largest undertaken in the country's history. It will also be the easiest census form due to the elimination of the long form. If every household participates, the country will have accurate data that can be used to provide appropriate services at all levels of government



Rahab	Mar 2 2010, 12:38 AM Post #13
Advanced Member Posts: 387 Group: Members Member #1,728 Joined: August 30, 2007	per the US constitution the only question that you are required to answer on the census is how many people live in your home. The census is strictly a head count and anything other than that is none of the governments business.



Quiet Watcher	Mar 2 2010, 12:53 AM Post #14
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	Quote: Rahab per the US constitution the only question that you are required to answer on the census is how many people live in your home. The census is strictly a head count and anything other than that is none of the governments business. I agree it is none of their business. Strictly speaking, the same could be said about the obligation to pay state, federal and local taxes under the US Constitution, perhaps..... The catch, though, is that other binding statutes and laws have been passed which do currently constitute statutory requirements. I know of at least one person who refused to pay taxes based on that argument and he ended up in Federal Prison for three years for tax evasion. After that, he decided to pay his taxes. I think if you refuse to fill out the required forms, you best be prepared to pay the fines.



TwilightRose	Mar 2 2010, 01:13 AM Post #15
Advanced Member Posts: 2,080 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	If anyone gets the long form starting in March let me know. From what I am reading above, and what I have read on the Census site they are only sending out the short form.
	Twilight R


Sounding The Trumpet	Mar 2 2010, 02:08 AM Post #16
Advanced Member Posts: 187 Group: Members Member #5,144 Joined: October 20, 2009	I agree with Rahab, but the sad thing is so many in our nation today receive basically handouts from the gov. In my opinion if someone comes and gets money from me, there is nothing wrong with me asking personal questions. I worked for the census back in 2010, and it was simple stuff to count heads. I was on foot going door to door handing out the packets, and had to map out where all home or structures were. I dont think I could have given them any information on homes that they could not find out by satellite. The pay was REALLY good.



Sounding The Trumpet	Mar 7 2010, 03:16 AM Post #17
Advanced Member Posts: 187 Group: Members Member #5,144 Joined: October 20, 2009	Our pastor received a packet from the census bureau last week. the packet was not survey questions but a detailed packet on what to talk about in the service for the next 4-6 weeks about the census! It was to inform the congregation and to encourage them to participate! What a joke. I am glad that his response was to run it through the shredder!



TwilightRose	Mar 9 2010, 09:47 PM Post #18
Advanced Member Posts: 2,080 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	Awful, that they want to dictate to the pastor's what to speak about in their service, in a church, and non-church, non-bible material to boot! I hope they all use the shredder and don't use the pulpit for govt. issues.
	Twilight R


Light House	Mar 17 2010, 01:16 AM Post #19
Advanced Member Posts: 988 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	Just found this. It would appear that it's possible that one may get another survey in conjunction with the 2010 Census . http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/acs_2010.htm Click on the picture to the left. Talk about personal questions wow....When was house built, What kinda car did you drive to work last week...... Interesting that all I gotta say.



Quiet Watcher	Mar 17 2010, 02:31 AM Post #20
Advanced Member Posts: 685 Group: Advanced Members Member #5,001 Joined: February 4, 2009	More Info: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=128409 YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE ... Census threat: $5,000 fines U.S. congressman slams 'Big Brother' questions Posted: March 16, 2010 9:09 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi � 2010 WorldNetDaily How many people live in your home? Are any of them Hispanic? Are the people who live in your home citizens? How big is your home? Do you have difficulty making decisions or climbing stairs? How much do you pay for your sewage system? Are you married? What's your rent or mortgage payment? Do you own an automobile? Are you on food stamps? How much money do you make? These are just a sample of the highly detailed and personal questions asked in the mandatory American Community Survey the U.S. Census Bureau will send to a sample of some 3 million U.S. households in addition to the 2010 Census. Refusing to answer the questions or answering them incorrectly will subject citizens to hefty fines. The U.S. Census website for the American Community Survey warns that under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, Section 221, anyone who refuses to answer the 11-page 48-question survey, or who answers the questions with false information, will be subject to a possible $5,000 fine. As WND reported last year, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, introduced H.R. 3131 to make participation in the extended ACS survey voluntary. In an e-mail to WND, Poe repeated his charge that the American Community Survey amounts to an Obama administration attempt to create a "government dossier on American citizens." Poe continues to argue, unable to move the resolution through a Democratic Party-controlled House of Representatives, that the law should be changed to make the American Community Survey voluntary. "The federal government has a constitutional duty to count the number of people in the United States every 10 years," Poe told WND. "But the federal government has no business keeping a comprehensive personal profile on every American citizen. "The government can take this detailed information about each person who answers the American Community Survey and use that information for its own purposes," he said. "This is Big Brother at its worst. To me, it's an invasion of privacy by the federal government all in the name of taking care of us." WND has consistently found the Census Department difficult to reach for comment. No media phone number or contact person is published on the home page of the U.S. Census Bureau. By typing, "news" into the Census Bureau homepage search engine, a page displays the phone number 301-763-3030 as the bureau's Public Information Office. Dialing that number, WND received a recording that directed news reporters to dial yet another number, 301-763-3691. Dialing that number, WND encountered voice mail. After leaving a request for a call on the voice mail, the Census Bureau Public Information Office neglected to return the call. Among the questions asked on the 11-page American Community Survey are: The first section of the ACS asks for full name of each person living in the household, the total number of people, how the people are related to each other, the date of birth, sex and race of each person and whether any are of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin. The second section surveys housing, asking whether the household is a mobile home, a one-family detached home, a one-family home attached to one or more houses, an apartment or a boat, RV or van. Then the ACS asks what year the building was built, when "Person No. 1" in the housing section moved into the home; the size of land the home is on; what agricultural products were sold from the property in the last 12 months; whether the property was used as a business; how many separate rooms are in the house; whether the house has hot and cold running water; whether the house has a flush toilet, a shower or bathtub, a sink with a faucet, a stove or range, a refrigerator and a telephone; how many cars, vans and trucks are kept at the property; and what fuel is most used at the property � gas, electricity, fuel oil or kerosene, coal or coke, wood, solar energy, or "other." Further, the housing section in the ACS asks what was last month's bill for energy, what was the cost of water and sewage for the housing unit in the last year, whether anyone in the household received food stamps in the last year, the monthly rental or mortgage cost of the unit, an estimate of the resale value of the housing unit, the unit's annual property taxes and the annual cost of fire, hazard and flood insurance on the property. The ACS wants to know if Person No. 1 in the household is a citizen, if the person was born in the U.S. or when the person came to the U.S.; whether the person had attended college in the last three years and what is the highest level of education the person has completed; the person's ancestry or ethnic origin; whether the person speaks a language other than English at home, and if yes, what language; whether the person lived in this housing unit or an apartment a year ago; whether the person is covered by health insurance, and if yes, by what type of health insurance. Next, Person No. 1 must answer if he/she is deaf or has difficulty hearing; if the person is blind or has serious difficulty seeing even when wearing glasses; if the person has difficulty concentrating, remembering or making decisions because of a physical, mental or emotional condition; whether the person has serious difficulty walking or climbing stairs; whether the person has difficulty bathing or dressing; whether the person has difficulty doing errands alone such as visiting a doctor's office or shopping because of a physical, mental, or emotional condition; what is the person's marital status; whether the person has given birth to any children in the past 12 months; whether the person has any grandchildren under the age of 18 in the house or apartment; whether the person has ever served on active duty in the U.S. armed forces; whether the person has a VA service-connected disability rating, and if yes, what percentage is the VA disability rating. The ACS also asks whether Person No. 1 worked last week for pay; at what address, town, city and country did the person work last week; how did the person get to work and if by car, bus, railroad, taxi, motorcycle, bicycle or on foot; whether the person, if unemployed, has been actively looking for work in the past four weeks; whether the person, if unemployed, was available to start work if offered a job or recalled to work in the past week; and how many weeks the person worked in the past year and how many hours per week. Finally, Person No. 1 must disclose whether his or her most recent work was for a private for-profit company, a private not-for-profit, a local government, a state government or the federal government, or whether the person was self employed in their own incorporated or not-incorporated business, or whether the person worked without pay in a family business or on the family farm; the name of the employer; the type of business; whether the business was manufacturing, wholesale trade, retail trade; or other; the exact job description of the person and his or her most important duties; his or her income over the past 12 months and the amount of that income that came from wages, salary, commission, bonuses or tips; whether the person received any Social Security or Railroad Retirement benefits, or any other type of public assistance in the past 12 months; and the person's entire income over the past 12 months, both from employment or public welfare sources. The American Community Survey is available as a .pdf file in English or Spanish on the Census Bureau's website. In 2007 during work on the American Community Survey portion of the Census Bureau's responsibilities, spokesman Clyve Richmond told WND, "The Census Bureau has never prosecuted anybody. We try to work with people and explain how useful the information is." The Associated Press reported this week the Census Bureau "rarely" seeks fines for failing to answer.



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