Do You Believe in the the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

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Do You Believe in the the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?; Speaking in Tongues as evidence?
Topic Started: May 28 2009, 11:04 AM (286 Views)
hope	May 28 2009, 11:04 AM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 281 Group: Members Member #4,917 Joined: October 9, 2008	I was just wondering how many on the board believe in this? I would ask that you use scripture to prove your belief.
	Blessed is he who has regard for the poor; the Lord delivers him in time of trouble; the Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. Ps. 41:1-3


KimR	May 28 2009, 12:10 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 402 Group: Members Member #4,913 Joined: September 30, 2008	Quote: Do You Believe in the the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?; Speaking in Tongues as evidence? Hope, that is a really good question and you are bound to get all kinds of answers. I do believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and I have experienced it myself. I think it is a necessary part of your walk with God. In the instance in Acts below, believers had received the baptism of the Holy Spirit but not water baptism, so the two are separate occurances, but they can happen at the same time or apart from each other. In my case, I did not receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit until like 6 months or so until after I was baptized by water. Acts 10:45:48 NIV The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have." So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. Speaking in tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but it is not everyone’s gift. So if someone doesn’t speak in tongues, this doesn’t mean that they have not been baptized. I believe everyone receives an initial gift with they are baptized by the Holy Spirit, but it may be in one of the other gifts and not tongues. God appoints the gifts. I do believe over time that one is able to get additional gifts, depending on the work He has appointed you to do at that time. In my case, I received the initial gift of prophecy but did not experience tongues until a few years later. As you can see in the verses below, not all are appointed to be apostles, prophets, teachers, healers or speak in tongues. So I believe that any church that says that everyone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues is actually going against scripture. I actually know a few people who were really hurt in a church like this. The one was made to stand in front of the congregation and the minister was not going to let them sit down until he spoke in tongues. He babbled some stuff just to get off the hook and left immediately and never went to any church again for a very long time. God’s Kingdom missed out on years of this man’s dedication because of a man-made rule. What a shame. 1 Corinthians 12:13,28:30 NIV 13.For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 28.And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret? -Kim



Wil	May 28 2009, 01:00 PM Post #3
Administrator Posts: 12,058 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	I agree not all who are baptized in the Spirit speak in tongues, there is no definitive biblical evidence stating this is the case. As to whether the baptism is a second event, also John 20:22 records the moment when the apostles first received the Holy Spirit, while Acts 2 shows the baptism as a separate event.



w8n4him	May 28 2009, 01:25 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 1,262 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,473 Joined: July 6, 2007	I do believe in it...I believe it is separate from being saved by faith. For many, I think it happens pretty much simulaneously as when they are born again, but for others, it happens later. For me it was much later.......
	Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


Ruth	May 28 2009, 02:45 PM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 1,385 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,840 Joined: August 9, 2008	Amen Kim, very well stated. I received the gifts of tongues 6 years after being saved, the Holy Spirit blessed me with this gift to help me in a very discouraging time in my life, to help edify me in my faith. All gifts are still available today, unfortunately many well known radio preachers today teach against this biblical fact. for example, Charles Stanly, Chuck Swindell, John MacArthur, they all believe the gift of tongues was a known human language not a language of the Spirit. If this were so why were some in the Church such as the Corinthians frightened by the language?



Light House	May 28 2009, 10:05 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 859 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,876 Joined: August 15, 2008	We just had a gentlemen hold revival this past week on this very subject, I wish you all could have heard him he was awesome......He explained it in such a way that a child could understand....He covered "what to expect" to "why some get it and some dont, and what can stand in the way of recv'ing the gifts" I have some notes not all. I had to teach my own classes so I missed 2 nights/ I have ordered his CD's from the church. Here were some of his points with tons of scripture references. What to expect: Supernatural wisdom - Acts 6:10, Acts 19:1,2, Matt 10:19 Supernatural love - Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Expect all the fruits of the spirit in our lives Gal 5:5-8 Expect to see all the gifts 1 cor 12:18 Expect to have strength inside to live a consecrated life Philippians 3:8 Rev 12:11 Expect to live in unity and live with power...... Other notes: We are all clay pots....our water can seep out and we become dry without being refilled....why is this important...we must daily remember to pray in our prayer lang. and ask Father God to refill our pot. In the times ahead it is our gifts that are going to see us thru... Isaiah 28:11 Mark 16:16 1Cor 14:2 - why to pray in tongues 1 Cor 14:4 Praying in spirit Edifies us, it strengths us, charges us up, fills up our gas tank so to speak, it helps us understand the mysteries in our lives Romans 8:28 why we should pray in the spirit all the time, the holy spirit intercedes for us especially when we don't know what we should be praying for, rather than praying in selfishness 1Cor 14:15 1 Cor 12 - Body of Christ Gifts 1Cor 13 - Love in you life 1 Cor 14 - Personal gifts "the Holy Spirit helps you pray on TARGET" Jude 20 - pray in the spirit to create something new in you Eph 6:14-18 Our spiritual Protection (belt of truth, breastplate, gospel on feet, shield of faith, sword of spirit, helmet of salvation) I'm sorry guys that I didn't list all the scriptures, But I think you should get the point, these notes are from 2 of the 4 services. If everyone would like when I get the cd set I will listen to what I missed and post.... PS Kim and Wil I agree



TwilightRose	May 29 2009, 12:36 AM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 1,937 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	Awesome notes Lighthouse! Thanks so much for sharing that. :)
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Forgiven Much	May 29 2009, 12:51 AM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #5,034 Joined: April 2, 2009	There is a difference in being baptized in Holy Spirit and even being filled. There are many that were once baptized, but are no longer filled:(



TwilightRose	May 29 2009, 03:22 AM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 1,937 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,887 Joined: August 28, 2008	True ForgivenM
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dorr1986	Jul 2 2009, 03:43 PM Post #10
Member Posts: 47 Group: Members Member #5,071 Joined: June 1, 2009	1 Corinthians 14:18-19 (King James Version) 18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. the so called gift of tongues would be in vain unless people understand you and this is what this verse is talking about. gift of tongues may be that God has given you the gift to speak maybe french, spanish, etc and so on fluently that you may be able to witness to those who speak that language IMO (i.e. a missionary who is fluent in different languages, so they can preach the word of God) Edited by dorr1986, Jul 2 2009, 03:45 PM.



justme	Jul 2 2009, 04:28 PM Post #11
Advanced Member Posts: 725 Group: Advanced Members Member #2,410 Joined: December 17, 2007	The evidence is not the same as the gift. The gift of tongues goes along with interpretation but the tongues one receives when they are baptised in the Holy Ghost is a prayer language apart from the gift. These two are often confused by those who have neither. Trying to use scripture to justify why they do not speak in tongues. 1st Corinthians 14 starts out talking about spiritual gifts so he is not talking about the evidence there. Anyone got just one scripture where they were filled with the Holy Ghost and did not speak in tongues? Because I cannot find one.
	The Lord gives us the poor to test our level of selfishness.


Ruth	Jul 2 2009, 05:03 PM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 1,385 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,840 Joined: August 9, 2008	For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. -1 Corinthians 14



John 103	Jul 2 2009, 05:48 PM Post #13
Member Posts: 87 Group: Members Member #5,057 Joined: April 25, 2009	So if you don't speak in tongues, how do you know if you have been baptized in the Spirit? I have always thought you received the Holy Spirit when you are water baptized, but I don't know where that impression comes from.



Ruth	Jul 3 2009, 10:08 AM Post #14
Advanced Member Posts: 1,385 Group: Advanced Members Member #4,840 Joined: August 9, 2008	hi John 103, any person whom believes he is a sinner and in need of a savior, surrendering themselves in faith to Jesus the Christ, and His resurrection for all to be forgiven and to live in obedience to Gods will, in Gods grace and mercy will receive the Holy Spirit. I did not receive the prayer language given to those for edification for almost 7yrs after being born again. I am not sure all people need to have this gift, this can be a confusing and divisive topic between believers. I would continue to pray and ask God about this gift.



dorr1986	Jul 3 2009, 12:51 PM Post #15
Member Posts: 47 Group: Members Member #5,071 Joined: June 1, 2009	John 103 Jul 2 2009, 05:48 PM So if you don't speak in tongues, how do you know if you have been baptized in the Spirit? I have always thought you received the Holy Spirit when you are water baptized, but I don't know where that impression comes from. Ephesians 1:13-14 (King James Version) 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. we receive the holy spirit when we reached salvation (asked God into our hearts) the holy spirit is what moves and squeezes on the non believers heart so that they make the step to being saved IMO



John 103	Jul 3 2009, 04:13 PM Post #16
Member Posts: 87 Group: Members Member #5,057 Joined: April 25, 2009	Thanks for the clarification. I know the Holy Spirit is busy at work in my life, but I had heard about the second baptism in the Spirit and it was confusing to me.



Wil	Jul 4 2009, 12:13 AM Post #17
Administrator Posts: 12,058 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	The baptism is different than the salvation experience, one scriptural evidence what I posted above " As to whether the baptism is a second event, John 20:22 records the moment when the apostles first received the Holy Spirit, while Acts 2 shows the baptism as a separate event."



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