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| Are Keith & "Final Call" Now "False Prophets"? | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 18 2008, 07:01 PM (2,004 Views) | |
| FriendOfJesus | Aug 18 2008, 07:01 PM Post #1 |
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If I remember correctly, both Keith and Final Call prophecied that on or about August 15th, "something horrible" would happen--something that would catch the attention of the entire world. Something that would actually prove the existence of God. August 15 has passed, as has the 16th, 17th and nearly the 18th--and the world is just as it was on the 14th. Should these prophecies now be considered "failed" and not of God? And should Keith and Final Call now be considered "false prophets"? Please understand, I'm not making accusations--I'm just asking the questions. I was always of the understanding that when someone declares a prophecy from God and that prophecy is not fulfilled within the prophecied time period, it's a pretty safe bet that such a prophetic word is not of God. |
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| Lazarusty | Aug 18 2008, 07:14 PM Post #2 |
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The prediction was "in the vicinity of" or "soon after". BTW, FC never predicted a physical event abut the olypmics, only Keith. Since we are still in the vicinity of the 15th, and since the olympics are not yet over, let's hold off until the olypmics have closed before making any further considerations ok? |
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| Merton | Aug 19 2008, 02:23 AM Post #3 |
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One has to read the descriptions in the Bible of what a false prophet is before placing that label on someone. Here below is a true prophet who spoke something wrong, but it did not make him to be a false prophet described in the NT. 1Ki 13:11 Now there dwelt an old prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Bethel: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father. 1Ki 13:12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah. 1Ki 13:13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the ass. So they saddled him the ass: and he rode thereon, 1Ki 13:14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am. 1Ki 13:15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread. 1Ki 13:16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place: 1Ki 13:17 For it was said to me by the word of the LORD, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest. 1Ki 13:18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spoke unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him. 1Ki 13:19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water. 1Ki 13:20 And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came unto the prophet that brought him back: 1Ki 13:21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast disobeyed the mouth of the LORD, and hast not kept the commandment which the LORD thy God commanded thee, 1Ki 13:22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the LORD did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcass shall not come unto the sepulcher of thy fathers. 1Ki 13:23 And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back. 1Ki 13:24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcass was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcass. 1Ki 13:25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcass cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcass: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt. 1Ki 13:26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the LORD: therefore the LORD hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the LORD, which he spoke unto him. 1Ki 13:27 And he spoke to his sons, saying, Saddle me the ass. And they saddled him. 1Ki 13:28 And he went and found his carcass cast in the way, and the ass and the lion standing by the carcass: the lion had not eaten the carcass, nor torn the ass. 1Ki 13:29 And the prophet took up the carcass of the man of God, and laid it upon the ass, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him. 1Ki 13:30 And he laid his carcass in his own grave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother! 1Ki 13:31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spoke to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulcher wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones: Merton. |
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| sweetcapner | Aug 19 2008, 04:54 AM Post #4 |
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I wanted to ask you something if they made some mistakes, should we throw the stones at them? if we have sin, we shouldnt throw any stones at them. remember in the bible, the people caught the whore and brought her to Jesus and told him that we should throw the stones at her because we caught her doing this like that, and Jesus wrote down on the sand, saying if anyone have no sin, throw however they couldnt understand what He wrote, so Jesus spoke, anyone who has no sin then throw stones at her but people left becasue they do have sins. it is not our business to judge them. It is God's business to judge. remember if we judge them, God will judge us double. we should be careful about it also we are supposed to test the spirit if it is coming from God or not. I encourage you guys we should not condemn anyone as we are in same body of Christ there is no divisions in this body at all. if you say there is nothing happen on aug 15, I believe that God is testing us and how ready are we? We are supposed to build and encourage one other and if we see anyone doing sins, we should come and talk to them and pray with them. we should not come to them judge and condemn them. Just let you know, be ready, we may never know what will happen to us, just be ready that s all i am encouraging you. and we should pray for them not condemn, they might need our praying, encouragment etc. hey keith and FC, do not be afraid what they say about you guys. Be strong and be courage in Him if there is nothing happen since on aug 15, problbably you feel bad about it and dont want to come back on it, hey do not feel about it, and i encourage you to seek God more and ask Him why didnt it happen on aug 15 or something like that. Be strong in Him, and cling to Him tightly. Sweetcapner |
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| METHUSELAH | Aug 19 2008, 05:45 AM Post #5 |
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IMO the false prophet label should only be applied to someone who makes a career of doing it or intentionally speaks forth false words as a form of attention-seeking or in an attempt to deceive the Body of Christ. All others fall into the category of Not Ready For Prime Time... TL |
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| bob-bob-bob | Aug 19 2008, 07:39 AM Post #6 |
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There is only one standard when you Prophecy in the name of the Lord : 100% right 100% of the time . NOT 99...NOT 98... NOT kind of..Sort of .. Might be . Harsh ? No , we are told to test a prophet, as most of us have . Thay were wrong and thats that . If you can't stand the heat keep out of the kitchen . |
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| Rog | Aug 19 2008, 08:27 AM Post #7 |
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Sometimes a prophet will add their own speculation to what the Lord has shown them, it doesn't necessarily mean they are false. Speculation mixed with prophecy can be a bad thing. |
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| belinda | Aug 19 2008, 10:38 AM Post #8 |
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Amen to that Rog Whenever I hear a teaching or a prophecy, I check it against scripture. If it does not line up, then we may be adding our own feelings to the mix. We should be careful not to mislead the brethren when we post. I keep much of those feelings to myself unless the Lord instructs me otherwise. |
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| Ruth | Aug 19 2008, 10:48 AM Post #9 |
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sweetcarpner says"it is not our business to judge them" 1Corinthians 14:29 "Let 2 or 3 prophets speak, and let the others pass JUDGMENT" |
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| dinosaur | Aug 19 2008, 10:56 AM Post #10 |
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Assessing the present board mood, it seems some ATN members feel deprived that Wil has not imported the *stone thrower* and *guillotine* emoticons. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | Aug 19 2008, 12:12 PM Post #11 |
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 Hi Belinda! Long time no post 
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| Israeli | Aug 19 2008, 12:23 PM Post #12 |
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   They have them at GLP! |
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| belinda | Aug 19 2008, 03:19 PM Post #13 |
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Hi Spiritiswilling! I am always here! But most of what I do is check the board for spam and pray, pray, pray for our brethren here. When the Lord directs me, I do post. I have told Wil that too many Chiefs (Admins) can cause chaos, so we respect each other's opinion and decisions and I jump in when I need to.   |
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| Shershalom | Aug 19 2008, 03:48 PM Post #14 |
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Say Ms Belinda, Please feel free to jump in just a bit more often. Your calming influence has been missed. Sherry (Shershalom) 
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| Etnep | Aug 19 2008, 03:51 PM Post #15 |
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As far as I can tell all these guys have done is try and warn people about what may happen soon. If they were wrong on the date of so called explosion so what, we all know that it will happen we just don't know the day it will all go down. I don't recall ever ever seeing a date in the bible, do you? So if we go and attack these people because they got the date wrong I hardly think thats fare. The only reason that people put or try and put a date on something (as far a I can tell) is for the ummpph it gives what they are trying to say, if they didn't put the date on there most of us would say yeah yeah yeah, heard it all before or I knew all that already. With a date (and as far as i can tell) has yet to come ever come true on said date, but it gives it that rushed feeling we all want. We all know that the time is soon. And we all want go home as soon as we can so we jump on it. Its kinda a sad/glad thing, we want Jesus to come bring us home so badly that we jump on any thing that tells us that it may happen 2 weeks from today. |
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| belinda | Aug 19 2008, 05:01 PM Post #16 |
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Sherry (Shershalom), You are so very precious and I thank you for your kind words. I know there are many different concerns and views from our members here on the board. It is my prayer that when we address each other and post, that it is done in love and consideration. We can't all agree on topics that arise, but we can always be respectful when giving our opinion and sharing information. I don't want to judge anyone, as it was said by someone earlier, God will do the judging. But we have to be wise and not be misguided when prophecies or postings tickle our ears and do not line up with scripture. I use to watch dates and read every prophecy I could take in, but have come to realize that Jesus will come at the appointed time, and as long as my heart and salvation is in Jesus, I don't worry.... the Lord is in control, no matter what may come about and for me it is TRUST in the Savior. I follow Jesus, not any man when it comes to my soul and salvation, so any postings that don't ring true, I ask the Holy Spirit to discern and pray for those whose eyes are closed and hearts are hardened to see the truth.  |
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| Ruth | Aug 19 2008, 06:54 PM Post #17 |
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1Corinthians 14:29 Let 2 or 3 prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. v:32,33 and the spirit of the prophets are subject to prophets; for God is not a God of confusion but of peace. I am not understanding some of the comments made here about not judging, when the bible clearly tells to judge and to test all spirits. I am still waiting to see if FC or Keith are true prophets. |
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| Merton | Aug 19 2008, 07:22 PM Post #18 |
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No no No. The verses in 1 Cor.14 are telling us that the other prophets in the assembly do not all have to speak what God is showing the prophets but just judge what has been said by those who did speak, by what God is showing them. 1Th 5:18 In every thing give  for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 12:6 but having different gifts according to the grace given to us, whether prophecy, according to the proportion of the faith; Not all who prophesy are the prophets in the assembly. All (who do prophecy) may prophecy in the assembly but only those called to be prophets within the Church are the prophets to the Church-- 1Co 12:28 And God placed some in the assembly: firstly, apostles; secondly, prophets; thirdly, teachers; then works of power; then gifts of healing, helps, governings, kinds of languages. 1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? All prophets? All teachers? All workers of power? Eph 4:11 And indeed He gave some to be apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 with a view to the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ, Eph 4:13 until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be infants, being blown and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in the sleight of men, in craftiness to the deceit of error, Eph 4:15 but speaking the truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, the Christ, Eph 4:16 from whom all the body, having been fitted and compacted together through every assisting bond, according to the effectual working of one measure in each part, produces the growth of the body to the building up of itself in love. In other words saints, get to work in your own field of enablement from Christ, and stop judging the other members of the Body which you probably know nothing about the workings of, but you may judge their words. Scripture shows that even Christ left something in His words for men to stumble over, but they only stumbled over it because they DID NOT BELIEVE CHRISTS WORDS WHICH ARE THE BODY OF THE MESSAGE, and God uses men today who often are not perfect in ther understanding for if they were, then men would follow them as their teacher and their God, that is as their supreme spiritual leader. It is also true that when a leader seeks to play the role of Christ toward Gods people then that one will be made odious to the people for THEIR sake, and when it occurs the followers become exceeedingly bitter as their supply of joy and pleasure is cut off, (and they have to find life on their own directly from God in/through Christ, which they should have done in the first place.) Rev 8:10 And the third angel trumpeted. And a great burning star, like a lamp, fell out of the heaven. And it fell onto the third part of the rivers, and onto the springs of waters. Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is said to be Wormwood. And the third part of the waters became changed into wormwood. And many men died from the waters, because they were bitter. Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel trumpeted. And the third part of the sun, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars, was struck, that the third part of them might be darkened, and the third part of the day might not appear; and in the same way the night. Merton. |
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| Ruth | Aug 20 2008, 12:32 AM Post #19 |
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to Merton....?????, don't have a clue to what you are trying to say. |
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| FriendOfJesus | Aug 20 2008, 12:59 AM Post #20 |
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Ruth, I guess for some, the determination of Keith and Final Call as "true prophets" depends on how much "time grace" they're given. Since both prophecied somewhat specific events to occur on or about August 15, it's looking like there's an ever-decreasing probability that either are "true prophets." |
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