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| Topic Started: May 16 2008, 10:33 AM (722 Views) | |
| 7SevenThunders7 | May 16 2008, 10:33 AM Post #1 |
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 Hi Everyone,The last post on this thread was about a prayer meeting in tongues. So then some people respond by saying that they also pray in tongues, they have no problem with it, etc. So here is my problem, please don't get offended, I am trying to be honest with my feelings regarding this difficult subject for me and for my family. Whenever I hear people speaking in tongues, I wonder.... Is this really tongues? Tongues of fire as on Pentecost? Other tongues? I guess I always thought that true tongues would be that you started to speak an actual language that you cannot understand but that another person can, such as Spanish or French or Japanese? I always believed that the gift of tongues is the ability to speak in a foreign language that you do not have knowledge of, in order to communicate with someone who speaks that language. All for the Glory of God. I believe in the gift of tongues, sure, but I'm not 100% positive I've ever witnessed the true gift. It would be amazing I'm sure, a miracle to hear it. I know that some denominations consider this a significant sign that they have the Holy Spirit and so it becomes like the "Emperors New Clothes" for some people. Can you admit that you don't really have this one gift? Or will you just mimic what you have heard others do so they will believe you have the gift of the Holy Spirit? Who would admit that? No one would...and so it continues. No offense to anyone who truly believes they are having a religious experience, please.  See how you can't mention this to other people without possibly offending them? I have been prayed over twice in tongues, and each time, I am actually afraid and block myself from it. My Mom actually went to a Pentecostal church as a teenager and said that she was frightened by the speaking in tongues, the same way I am now. She never spoke in tongues then and she doesn't now. She says that her ex-husband and his Mom do. I for one, know her ex-husband is a child abusing, demon possessed crazy man and not the ideal place for the Holy Spirit to reside, so how can he speak in tongues? So the next thing you know is this man who says he has the gift of discernment, who is a part of a gifts of the spirit revival at our church tells my Mother and I that we have the gift of tongues. This is beyond us because as I just mentioned, we are actually afraid of this gift and block the possibility of it. We both said, "Uh...really?" And just looked at him puzzled. He is trying to get a prayer meeting together and I am afraid to say that if it is in tongues, I would be uncomfortable going. So what to make of all of this? Why no tongues for my Mom and I? We refuse to fake it just because we know what it sounds like. Not that anyone here fakes it, please don't get me wrong, I beg you! But who would admit they actually fake it? Has anyone here actually tried it and found it to be uncomfortable for them? Has anyone spoke in tongues all their life and so it's like a second language? The subject intrigues me as much as it frustrates me. Thank you for your responses. (PS: I have other gifts of the spirit for sure, so I know it's not that I just don't have the Holy Spirit. I have seen the Holy Spirit come upon me as a bright white light.) ~7Seven |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 16 2008, 10:59 AM Post #2 |
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 More questions....What does it feel like? When did it first happen to you? Do you feel like you are there? Do you feel in control of the experience? Is it a pleasant feeling? Were you ever afraid as a child? Did it just hit you one day?  Does someone translate? If it is God talking to us through you why can't we understand? Can our spirit understand? Is this the spirit speaking to God or God speaking to our spirit? Can anyone help me understand all this? Has anyone ever heard someone speak an actual language that they can't understand themselves, but that someone nearby could understand? I am testing the spirits, here is another way: “Spirit, in the name of Jesus Christ, answer, is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” I read once that if a person is speaking in tongues and you address the spirit, not the person to answer if Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, the spirit will either try not to answer, will answer no and if he cannot accept that Jesus has come in the flesh, he is of the enemy and a strong delusion. If the answer is yes, than the gift is true. This is not 100% fool proof though because I have heard that the person can turn off the "gift" of tongues at will and answer the question in the affirmative. Of course you would have to be in the presence of the person while they spoke in tongues in order to test the spirit. With that said, it is virtually impossible to do online. So be cautious out there. This is nothing to mess around with IMO. I rebuke any false gifts or spirits now in the name of Jesus Christ who has come in the flesh! Praise be to the Name of Jesus! Amen! Does anyone ever test these spirits? I have heard frightening reports that people in tongues can worship demons completely unaware that they are doing so, if it is a false gift. If it is a true gift, the person is worshipping the Lord with beautiful words. So with these uncertainties, I would rather not have this gift. I would rather speak in English and use the gift of wisdom in discernment of the truth. I am not ashamed to say that I test the spirits. For now, I block the gift of tongues, I'm sorry, it's too risky if you ask me. I like to be in control of my words. Once again, I rebuke thee in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ! Just in case!  Here is an interesting artical on false tongues: http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/d...ift-of-tongues/ ~7Seven |
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| lionspaw | May 16 2008, 03:30 PM Post #3 |
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The subject of "speaking in tongues" comes up from time to time in Christian circles. Some say tongues is "of the Devil", others "that experience was for the "early church only". Both of these views are not supported by Scripture, but wht IS supported by Scripture is a valid experience of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, subsequent to being saved. The baptism in the Holy Spirit is for Christians only, and there are counterfits, naturally, and many, many decpetions that will keep Christians from receiving this life changing blessing and empowerment from God. (See Jn 14:17 ..the world can not receive this gift) The Spirit of Truth will guide you into all truth. Now, in today's world, there are SO many "charismatics" that are money grubbers and deceviers, that they have given the entire realm of the Holy Spirit a bad name, but God is not mocked. No, He is not mocked, and a true and great gift from God does exist, for the hungry, not for the lazy, disinterested or self-suffficient, boastful, Laodicean "Christian". Jesus said the true Christian would be known by their fruits. (I Cor 13 is key) The charletons are alwasy exposed (eventually) by this test. Is there a true experience -YES. Are there counterfits - YES. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit, a Comforter, that would come along side to help, AFTER He was taken up to the Father in John 14-17. I suggest that the INTERESTED and HUNGRY person read that first, to see that Jesus made the Christians a promise. (A promise that did not stop in, say 150 A.D.) Next, if you are seeking a deeper walk with God and want to know what the Baptism in Holy Spirit is all about, then go to the book of Acts. Just read Chapters 1-11, let's say. Mark all Scriptures that indicate the Holy Spirit was given or the "gift" bestowed, as on the day of Pentecost. Specifically in Acts 2:38-39 the SCriptures say the "promise" is to "all that are called, evan far off" (that was me). I received the Holy Spirit on that verse. Am I saying that Christians without the Baptism do not have the Holy Spirit? No. I am saying there is more! Jesus promised it, and Paul and the early Church considered it a necsessity! "You shall receive POWER, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you. Tarry in Jerusalem until you are endued with POWER" - Jesus Were they believers, yes. Were they saved, yes. Did they receive more, yes. The first experience was an act by the sovereign God and only those that tarried received it in the upper room. Today we must ASK to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. I refer to Luke 11:1-13 - esp vs 13 - "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him." I think that the Father expects us to ask Him for the Holy Spirit. Also, John said that Jesus is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Jn 1:33. We ask the Father in Jesus Name and JESUS baptizes with the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is invovled in all of this. Once you understand that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit (God is Spirit Jn 4:24 ...and those that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth) and that Jesus baptizes, and expects us the ask the Fahter for the Holy Spirit, and if you are hungry and want more, then you are a candidate to receive. The prayer is simple," Fahter, I want and desire the Holy Spirit. I ask You please to baptize me in the Holy Spirit, in Jesus Name." The next part is where many stumble, they do nothing, expecting the Holy Spirit to start talking through them without putting forth any effort. You see, you can not speak in two languages at once, and you will not understand the words that you you will speak. Also, the Holy Spirit will not talk for you. THEY spoke with tongues. YOU must speak in faith! I encourage those that I pray for to just start praising God, but allow God to to use you and your voice in a new language. Start in English and when the Lord starts to give you two or three syllables, speak them out in faith. Then God will surely baptize and empower you with a new prayer language, and you will never be the same. (It is the Spirit that gives the utterance, but YOU must speak - Acts 2:4) I have seen some go dwon under the power of God and start speaking immediately, but most need some encouragement, as I pray for them in the Spirit or tongues. Most eventually receive, after they pray and are sincerely searching. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Acts 2:33. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:17) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:47) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? (Acts 19:2a) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Acts 19:6) The Word is undeniable. Men have twisted and misued the Word of God. Someone wiht the experience is always more knowlwdgeable than someone with a theory. Keys - - See what the Word says about the baptism. Throw men's opinion in the drink. - You must ASK according to Scripture. - You must use faith and SPEAK in faith. - You will not know th language, because it is Spiritual. It is a mystery spoken to God and useful. We pray with our understanding, we also pray with the Spirit. (He is never tired, you can pray at anytime, but YOU do the praying, He will not pray for you. Your will is very much in tact, and God wants you to use the gift by an act of your will, not His.) - It is the perfect prayer. When we do not know how to pray, He gets the glory and the person receives the benefit. That is ALL God. - Tongues will cease when He returns. When He left, He sent the Holy Spirit, but when He retuns, tongues will not be needed. Jesus will be with us. - We need the Holy Spirit to empower the Church, and overcome the enemy. That is another subject, one on which books have been written. Hope this primer helps. Ed. |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 16 2008, 08:30 PM Post #4 |
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I know what helped me a while back was when I was in church and the pastor was speaking about speaking in tongues. After the service he said that if there was anyone who wanted to receive this gift to come forward and get prayer. I know that when I was younger I was called into intercession and given the gift of tongues. I know that I had backslid and felt that I could no longer pray in tongues. The enemy kept telling me, "no, don't go up there! You are a sinner and that gift is not yours anymore". Disregarding what the enemy kept telling me, I went up to the front for prayer. The guy who was praying for me said "the gifts and callings of the Lord are without repentance (Romans 11:29)". After he said that, the tongues began to flow and it was not forced. I had not lost this gift, I had come into allignment with the lie of the enemy (had more faith in what Satan was telling me than what God's Word says) and that was hindering me from speaking. Halleluiah I still have it and I praise the name of Jesus!! I forgot to mention that I had rededicated my life to the Lord because of His kindness towards me that day 
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| 7SevenThunders7 | May 17 2008, 01:25 PM Post #5 |
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Here's the thing, I genuinely do not desire any gift other than faith hope and love. God gave me prophecy and it was His will, I still do not want it. I am always on the verge of leaving this group because I don't want to be a prophet, and then God will stop me from leaving somehow. The last time the electricity just turned off (a fuse blew) and the computer turned off, along with my post in which I was saying goodbye to all my beloved friends here. I was saying that I was going to test the spirit of prophecy that I have and try not to listen to it anymore. So after that happened, I thought it was a sign that I am supposed to be here. I am always a step away from not accepting the gift of prophecy, and I genuinely do not want the gift of tongues either. I always assumed that if God wanted me to have it, I would. My Brother has told me, along with other family members that I have spoken in Spanich as well as French and Latin in my sleep  and that has always scared me to hear. Also, there is a story that my Mom tells me that I used to sleep walk as a child and speek in other languages and sing a beautiful foreign language. Even when I was awake, I used to sing in Latin, Spanish or French and my Mom was amazed. I have a memory of when it would happen, it was a beautiful feeling, I did feel the Holy Spirit's presence with me, but I thought I was only playing a child's game. I can still remember my Mom's face as she caught me singing! lol! Now as an adult, sometimes I will think I start to speak in English, and words that sound like Latin will come out instead. It freaks me out a little, I don't really want it. Is that tongues? I have no way of knowing because it has never happened in front of someone who can interpret for me. I rebuke any spirit not of God constantly, and want nothing to do with false gifts. I would never just start to do it as you suggested but as a child, I thought I was just playing as I said, so it came out naturally. But it didn't sound like tongues I hear people speaking on TBN. It sounded like real foreign languages, French, Spanish, Latin. I guess I need more help/input to decide if it is from God, a true gift of tongues? Like that man said to me recently. I guess he awakened these memories of mine of these happenings. My Mom also spoke what sounded like Latin in a dream a few times. It scared me to be perfectly honest.  Any more input for the topic ATN? Thank you!~7Seven |
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| lionspaw | May 17 2008, 03:08 PM Post #6 |
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Dear 7, God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. I would rebuke any spirit of fear about the subject of tongues and the validity of it for today. I do not have a "formula" for you, but the gift of the Holy Spirit may be new, or you may already be using the gift (in sleep or at other times), and yes, someone may understand the specific language coming out of your mouth. But most times, if any interpreation is allowed, that is another operation of the Holy Spirit. Tongues are earthly languages that we do not know, but we speak mysteries to God, and yes, God is particpating with you. He gives the utterance (words that we do not know) so that He can receive the glory. Did you read the Scriptures that I laid out for you? The enemy will certainly try to keep you in fear, since that is his plan. If he can keep you there, then he has you where he wants you. I would ask God about it. Ask Him to reveal the truth of His Word to you. "Fear thou not, for I am with thee". If God has not given us a spirit of fear, then it comes from Satan. Rebuke it in Jesus Name, and command it to go. Look up what the Word has to say on fear. You will soon find that it is not from God, and God gives us a Spirit of love, power, and a sound mine (peace). The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, and peace. Peace and fear do not mix. Do not fear tongues. I think you may fear that you will not be in control. God will not override your free will at any time. You do the speaking, by an act of your will. You DO need to yield to the Holy Spirit. He is a gentleman, and will not hurt you or "force" you to do something that is contrary to the Word of God. If you feel that you are being "forced" into anything, I would question the source. God will not force you, but He does invite you. He invites you to use your faith, and surrender to Him. He will not override your will. Ed. |
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| lionspaw | May 17 2008, 03:24 PM Post #7 |
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One more thing 7, Just because God reveals things to you by dream, vision, word of knowledge, or word of wisdom, does NOT mean that He has called you into the prophetic office, or five fold ministry. The Office of Prophet is undeniable, and the person who is called is certain of the calling. They do not hide it. Please do not confuse the revelatory (or other) gifts as a sign that you are called to be a prophet. Many Christians move in the gifts of the Spirit, as God wills, but they are not called into the five fold ministry - Pasotr, Teacher, EVangelist, Prophet, or Apostle. I have been used in every one of the nine gifts of the Spirit, at HIS choosing and timing to accomplish HIS purpose, but I am not a prophet. I am a Seer, and I see only what He wants me to see. It takes time to determine how God speaks. He speaks in many ways, but, if something is form God it will always line up with the Word of God. Just becasue I am a Seer, does not mean that the other gifts are restricted, but they flow to the need. We are in a spiritual warfare. When the Spirit is in operation, He usually flows through the gifts mentioned in I Cor 12 or 14, but that is not to say the gifts in Romans are left out. There are many operations of the Holy Spirit, and because you move in some gifts, that is a indication that He has given you His Holy Spirit. Please do not force an office on yourself, and stay with us, and communicate with us. We are ALL learning, and we ALL have various gifts, as He has chosen. Ed. |
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| METHUSELAH | May 17 2008, 04:41 PM Post #8 |
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Dear 7: If you sincerely covet the gift of speaking in an unknown tongue (not a language known to other human beings) I suggest you read the pamphlet by Kenneth Hagin addressing (and entitled IIRC) Baptism In The Holy Spirit . Click on link for ordering information or check your church library: Website for Kenneth Hagin Minsitries: Click on Bookstore, then click on "Search Topic" before clicking on "Holy Spirit". A brother in Christ recommended this help aid to me in 1984. I took it home and read it before going to sleep. I followed the instructions contained in the booklet and immediately received the blessing of a glorious prayer language I had sought for nearly five years. Hope this is helpful to your situation and is in accordance with the Lord's will for your life at this time.  Your loving brother in Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, TL |
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| Earthangel | May 17 2008, 05:07 PM Post #9 |
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Hi 7Thunders, I don't speak in tongues either, and I have some of the same feelings as you, and don't feel it is natural for me. Sometimes I think I am a "listener" because the Holy Spirit does put things in my mind. I have a friend that I have known for 20 years that does speak in tongues but he didn't get the gift until a couple years ago. My friend had congestive heart failure at 52 and struggled with it a while before going in the hospital (he's ok now, but on medication). Before he went in the hospital and was at home alone, he decided to pray. He was a real mess, his legs were swollen with sores on them and he was leaking water from his skin. He remembered the Jews get under a prayer shawl or that you could be in a prayer closet. He put a blanket over his head and prayed. He says he thanked God for even the bad things that were happening to him because he thought they could work to his good through God and that God might be trying to change him. He says he asked God to correct him when he was wrong and to forgive him and to heal him and that God would be in him. He never specifically asked for the gift of tongues. But it was then that he got the gift of speaking in tongues. He does it beautifully now and can start or stop at any time; it sounds exactly like other languages; sometimes it comes in music and poetry. I think it helped him with his prayer life, as he seemed shy about praying before. Sometimes now, if I pray for someone and I have this friend with me, I'll have him pray in tongues for them, too. I also have a female cousin who is about 50 and she said a Catholic nun told her all she had to do was ask God for the gift if she wanted it. That once she had it it was hers to use as she pleased, because it was a gift. My cousin says she just asked God in prayer for it and received it. |
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| GoingUp! | May 21 2008, 06:56 PM Post #10 |
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Tongues was for speaking in an unknown language to the Apostles and others who set off to get the church started. Since it could take many months to journey just to one spot they did not have the time to sit around and learn all the dialects around the Med Sea. So if you look at when the Holy Spirit came down they were purely speaking in a language foreign to them but understood by those whose language it was they were speaking in at the time because many different dialogues were present at that moment. There is no need to speak in any other language that what we have to speak to God for He understands all. So there would be no need to have another language to talk to him |
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| SpiritIsWilling | May 21 2008, 08:41 PM Post #11 |
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Romans 8:26 And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. |
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| lionschild | May 21 2008, 08:58 PM Post #12 |
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Just some of my thoughts. I am not a authority on anything just a sister in the Lord. I prayed and asked for my prayer language (thats what I call it) I was alone at home and it just came. I have complete control over it as if I were speaking english so it has no possibility of being scary. NO weird feeling comes over me or anything. I use it when I want to pray and just dont know what to pray or the words to pray. Ive been taught that the holy spirit will direct my words and help me pray effectively. I have had emotions while praying such as sadness or hapiness or peace and all while praying words I did not understand. I usually sense when I have finished and I stop. Toungs is a gift I do not function in and that is where someone speaks publicly in a prayer language or toung and it is interpeted. There are alot of boundries that are taught in Gods word concerning this gift and I have seen it misused alot. Sometimes ill use my prayer language in a worship service but only quietly and so as not to offend anyone around. An example might be that im praying for our congregaton asking God to have his way in us and I come to a point where Im so burdened by our lack that I feel overwhelmed with it and cant find the right words to break thru so I begin to use my prayer language. The passion I feel is still there but Im trusting God that im praying more effectivly with the help of the Holy Spirit than I can in my own understanding. I hope that answeres some questions Seven. ps Im sure not a prophet but my enterest in it is so intense and I feel its from God. I too have tried to shut it out but God wont let me so Im not gonna fight it. It must be for a reason as I am certinally in the minority. |
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| Keesha | Jul 20 2008, 08:58 PM Post #13 |
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I don't speak in tongues either... I heard a lot of it as a child and I believe it was mostly real. When someone would speak.. a few moments later someone would stand up and interpret what was said. I actually remember some of the prophecies from way back then. A few years ago our family went to a new church. We were looking for a new place to worship and had been trying several. At one place in the service, the assistant Pastor stood up and said he had a message for someone and he began to speak in tongues. I heard it with my ears as tongues but inside myself I heard it in english. The message was for me and my family. I was being told that this was where the Lord wanted us to attend for a while. We did. I've never had that happen again. I have friends who admit they just tip their heads back and do gibberish and believe they are talking in tongues or in their minds 'conversing or praying with the Holy Spirit'. It isn't the same thing. I have not heard anyone who can do that and make it sound like the real thing. There is a definite difference. Not to mention that it probably offends the Holy Spirit Himself! |
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| w8n4him | Jul 20 2008, 10:18 PM Post #14 |
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imo........there is speaking in tongues and praying in the spirit, i think the two get intermingled.......... imo....... i have prayed in the spirit.........and the most interesting sounds came out of my mouth....... but have never spoken in tongues. |
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| justme | Jul 31 2008, 03:34 PM Post #15 |
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Just saw this thread. 7thunders, just checking to see that your understanding on the subject has been met since this thread is a couple months old. If you are still confused or hesitant maybe I can clear some things up for you. Truely it is something you need. And all the more as the greater move draws oh so near. Nothing to be afraid of if you trust God. Remember Jesus's words that the Father would not give us anything else but what we ask for when he was speaking about the Holy Ghost. It is for this day so do not let anyone tell you different. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. One confusion about tongues is Paul's writings in 1 Corinthians chapters 13 and 14. He is speaking here of the gift of tongues which requires the gift of interpretation to go along with or it leads to confusion. But when one receives the baptism of the Spirit and speaks in tongues that is different. So there are two instances of tongues for the believer. All do not have the gift of tongues but all who are baptised with the Holy Ghost should speak in tongues. Anyone who disagrees show me just one scripture where anyone received the Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues in scripture. This is the prayer language we get when we receive the baptism. If you remember James says that the tongue is an unruly member which no man can tame. This is the reason God chose speaking in tongues. To bypass our minds and for us to pray in the Spirit. This prayer language can be used at any time, even silently if one so chooses. Then we know we pray according to his will. And as you pray, often at first you will get just a few words. But keep praying and your prayer language will become fuller. And yes this is a language that other nations and people speak, and is not some heavenly language that the devil does not know as some suppose. Now when the Spirit prays through us with groanings which cannot be uttered then the devil cannot understand. But our own unknown tongues is unknown to us, but would not be to people of that language. As to how does it feel. ..When I received back in 1976 I was lying in bed and praying for it. Had been praying for it for months but read a book on it and it said the Spirit will often put words in your mind you do not understand and to just speak them out. Well I recall several times when praying for the baptism that these words would come to my mind but I was afraid to speak them out because I thought it was just me. Even though my mind does not usually give me strange words like that. However armed with this new knowledge I sought out to pray once more for it. As I lay in bed and asked, words came to my mind and I spoke them out and it was like a torrent swept over me. Wave upon wave of His precious Holy Spirit washed over me and it was the most wonderful experience I have ever felt. Now this thought here is mine and not necessarily scriptural, thought I believe so. Many people get the baptism and go no further. So we do not see the power and the fire as recorded in Acts. I believe there are two infillings, and that the 2nd one is the fire to witness boldly. If you note in Acts on the day of pentecost the Spirit came down and baptised everyone. Now after preaching in the streets and being persecuted the disciples pray and ask for boldness and are again filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire. Acts 4:31 Hope this clears up any misconceptions you or others may have on this sunject. If you have any more questions just let us know. I am sure there would be someone here who could help out. And remember Jesus' words; Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? |
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| Israeli | Jul 31 2008, 04:32 PM Post #16 |
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I know the gift of real tongues exists. A gal from S. Africa was praying next to me at an out door prayer meeting, and spoke in Hebrew. I still remember what she was saying. I asked her if she spoke Hebrew, she did not. "well, you sure did just now!" and I told her what she said in Hebrew and English. Needless to say she let out a whoop of joy! |
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 31 2008, 04:37 PM Post #17 |
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Very cool... |
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| w8n4him | Jul 31 2008, 04:39 PM Post #18 |
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Interesting!! When I had my experience, I was laying in bed, getting ready to fall asleep, and I was in a state of worship, in my mind.....often times when I want to pray and don't know what to pray for there is like a groaning mish mash inside my head.......... I have always wanted to speak in tongues but never sought it out. Well, this particular evening, I remembered that once somebody said to just open your mouth and let it happen, so I decided to do that.....because in this worshipful state that I was in, there were no words.......just an intense groaning type, I don't know how to describe it. Anyway, I opened up my mouth, as I posted earlier in this thread, and the most interesting sounds came out! Then tears, and the most intense feeling of peace and serenity. I don't know what I said.....but it did sound like Hebrew to me, but I don't know Hebrew at all......... |
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| justme | Jul 31 2008, 07:33 PM Post #19 |
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Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 31 2008, 09:04 PM Post #20 |
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 Hi Everyone,Hmmm, you don't know how strange it is to me that this post pops back up now. The other day I felt the same groaning within me that w8n4him described. I knew it was the Holy Spirit within me. It was very deep, very urgent, very intense and it felt like rising to my throat. All I could do was let out a cry, "God!" With all my strength. It was almost animalistic in it's intensity, or primal. It wanted to be a guttural groan. But there is always that part of me that can't verbalize this groaning, like I hold it back. Well, this happened the strongest I've ever felt it the other day. I can see as to why there would be a need for a prayer language at times. I prayed a prayer the other day and I prayed afterword that the enemy would not send a conterfeit answer to my prayer such as has happened many times in the past. The enemy will send what looks like an answer to my prayer at first, but it's actually been a trap disguised to look like an answer to my prayer. So I prayed afterward that the Lord would protect me from the conterfeit that would come along first. Well, the conterfeit did come along but my eyes were open and I knew it to be the conterfeit. So sometimes, I wonder if I just pray silently, would the enemy not hear my desires and so I won't have to battle the conterfeit that comes along to try to trick me? Is this making any sense to you guys? lol! So if I could speak in tongues to confuse the enemy it would sure help a lot! I could just avoid the conterfeit answer all together. It's sure funny that this post came back up when I'm dealing with this again. Please pray that the Lord just sends me the gift if I am supposed to utilize it. I do see a need for it now. I am afraid though of receiving a false spirit, so please pray for the Lord to take my fears and just let me speak in the spirit and not be afraid. I wish I could explain to you better about the conterfeit answer to prayer I was talking about but it's kind of personal in nature. Has anyone ever experienced that before? Sometimes I'm afraid to ask the Lord for something for fear the enemy will just use my desires to send me a false answer to my prayer. I know it sounds terrible, like I'm paralized with fear, but it's happened several times, so much so, that I start to look for the trap to come along first so I can avoid falling headlong into it. ~7Seven |
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