The Canonisation of The Bible: Is that it? Really?

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The Canonisation of The Bible: Is that it? Really?; Why 66 books? Why not 77 (for instance)?
Topic Started: Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM (190 Views)
Lazarusty	Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 692 Group: Advanced Members Member #248 Joined: October 12, 2006	As we near the end of this current age, questions about the bible itself and its very nature have occurred to me in the last few years. Questioning some foundations of what we believe and why we believe is not doubt to me, but because we are not robots and God wants us to know from Him and just not blindly execept whatever we've been spoonfed so its healthy to question otherwise it is easy to fall into assumption. In this regard, I wonder - why 66 books? It seems a strange number for God to choose. Not that God is superstitious or anything, but why not (for instance) 77 books instead? But numbers are arbitrary in any case and may not mean anything. But now, think about this. Is there "lost" scripture about. Consider, for instance, in at least one of the gospels a scripture "He shall be called a Nazarine" is referred to. Yet no such scripture exists anywhere in the known OT. Does this mean one or more books have been "lost" for now but may yet be found since God will restore all things before the end? Then there's the controversy about the two books of Enoch. Should they be in or out of canon? Apparently,they were originally in but was later removed. They canon committee seemed undecided on them. Then there's the nature of scripture itself and how it was revealed. Throughout history, for several thousand years, new scripture was regualrly written and revealed and so more and more was added over time until...the official cannonisation in about 300 AD. OK, it did some good because we knew where we stood on a number of books, we knew what we could be certain of BUT...did they inadventrantly also cause some harm, put a stop to the idea of any future revelation of scripture after that? You see, God is dynamic by His very nature, yet suddenly we a told that His written Word has stopped, become static for nigh on 1700 years. This appears to go against the nature of God and contradicts what happened before 300AD. Here's a thought. What if, as God comes to restore all things before his return, this revelation of inspired scripture begins rolling again, being given to His servants? What I mean is, that THERE IS FUTURE SCRIPTURE YET TO BE WRITTEN? If we are about to enter a time of the greatest outpouring EVER, greater than the Book of Acts, surely more has yet to be recorded down, such as some performing of even greater acts than Jesus which is as Jesus promised? Perhaps God's perfect will was that the revelation of scripture was supposed to continue, but that the devil got in and sabotaged it around 300AD through religious spirits that then closed their mind to the possiblity that there might be any more. However, I shouldn't give the devil the glory here. It would have been God's will to allow the written Word to pause for a time. God is dynamic, and it appears IMO that it goes against His nature to have a book that is now locked or static. It seems more to me that the bible should remain every growing and ever expanding thoughout the entire history of mankind. Perhaps it's about to start again. BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE! I believe in the coming revival that the true nature of God's Word, the dynamic nature of His Word will be revealed such that thousands of God's people throughout the world will be divinely inspired to write new scripture in letters, revelations, recording of miracles and so on, thousands of new pages of scripture exploding across the planet. Is it possible, that one day soon, noone will be able to say "I have the whole bible" for it will simply no longer be capable of keeping track of or containing everything written under this special divine inspiration? John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. Edited by Lazarusty, Jul 30 2008, 11:17 PM.
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kgreen20	Jul 29 2008, 11:00 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 1,650 Group: Advanced Members Member #96 Joined: January 7, 2006	Maybe God is saving the rest for when we're in Heaven with Him. We probably couldn't handle what's in the other books while we're here--if, in fact, there are any other books.



Lazarusty	Jul 29 2008, 11:20 PM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 692 Group: Advanced Members Member #248 Joined: October 12, 2006	The generations born during the millenium reign will still have the bible and will need reference to the end time harvest which is why is must be recorded by divine inspiration just like the prophets of old. The old testament, the new testament, and the end times testament?
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kgreen20	Jul 29 2008, 11:39 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 1,650 Group: Advanced Members Member #96 Joined: January 7, 2006	LOL! Now there's a thought! =)



Israeli	Jul 30 2008, 02:38 AM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 790 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Lazarusty, the book of Isaiah has 66 chapters and is considered a sort of heart of the entire bible, paralleling each book of the bible, some believe this. Me, I take that with a grain of salt... so far. My Jewish husband has often questioned the Godliness of the Councel Of Nicea, which was a Catholic hierarchy through Constantine. If THEY decided on the canon we live by, how can it be pure? They had known and very political agendas. Also, I believe as you do that there will be "end times" chapters added to the bible. We are a special generation, as the Gospel and Acts generation was.



Wil	Jul 30 2008, 11:03 PM Post #6
Administrator Posts: 9,531 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Thing is though if the current book is not pure than how can we trust anything in it? My thinking though is that God was capable of having exactly the books that He wanted in His instruction manual to mankind.



Lazarusty	Jul 30 2008, 11:16 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 692 Group: Advanced Members Member #248 Joined: October 12, 2006	Wil Jul 30 2008, 11:03 PM Thing is though if the current book is not pure than how can we trust anything in it? My thinking though is that God was capable of having exactly the books that He wanted in His instruction manual to mankind. Certainly...until more is needed.
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Israeli	Jul 30 2008, 11:46 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 790 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Wil Jul 30 2008, 11:03 PM Thing is though if the current book is not pure than how can we trust anything in it? My thinking though is that God was capable of having exactly the books that He wanted in His instruction manual to mankind. Thats exactly what I always tell my husband. Then what? Chuck it out? I don't think so. I have to trust God with it. Also, the Pharisees of Jesus's day were also impure and political. And He instructed people to do as they say, not as they do. I believe it was because they were appointed to the seat of Moses for their time, or something like that. Can't recall the verse.



gborn@earthlink.net	Aug 4 2008, 09:27 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 25 Group: Members Member #4,831 Joined: August 4, 2008	Lazarusty Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM As we near the end of this current age, questions about the bible itself and its very nature have occurred to me in the last few years. Questioning some foundations of what we believe and why we believe is not doubt to me, but because we are not robots and God wants us to know from Him and just not blindly execept whatever we've been spoonfed so its healthy to question otherwise it is easy to fall into assumption. In this regard, I wonder - why 66 books? It seems a strange number for God to choose. Not that God is superstitious or anything, but why not (for instance) 77 books instead? But numbers are arbitrary in any case and may not mean anything. But now, think about this. Is there "lost" scripture about. Consider, for instance, in at least one of the gospels a scripture "He shall be called a Nazarine" is referred to. Yet no such scripture exists anywhere in the known OT. Does this mean one or more books have been "lost" for now but may yet be found since God will restore all things before the end? Then there's the controversy about the two books of Enoch. Should they be in or out of canon? Apparently,they were originally in but was later removed. They canon committee seemed undecided on them. Then there's the nature of scripture itself and how it was revealed. Throughout history, for several thousand years, new scripture was regualrly written and revealed and so more and more was added over time until...the official cannonisation in about 300 AD. OK, it did some good because we knew where we stood on a number of books, we knew what we could be certain of BUT...did they inadventrantly also cause some harm, put a stop to the idea of any future revelation of scripture after that? You see, God is dynamic by His very nature, yet suddenly we a told that His written Word has stopped, become static for nigh on 1700 years. This appears to go against the nature of God and contradicts what happened before 300AD. Here's a thought. What if, as God comes to restore all things before his return, this revelation of inspired scripture begins rolling again, being given to His servants? What I mean is, that THERE IS FUTURE SCRIPTURE YET TO BE WRITTEN? If we are about to enter a time of the greatest outpouring EVER, greater than the Book of Acts, surely more has yet to be recorded down, such as some performing of even greater acts than Jesus which is as Jesus promised? Perhaps God's perfect will was that the revelation of scripture was supposed to continue, but that the devil got in and sabotaged it around 300AD through religious spirits that then closed their mind to the possiblity that there might be any more. However, I shouldn't give the devil the glory here. It would have been God's will to allow the written Word to pause for a time. God is dynamic, and it appears IMO that it goes against His nature to have a book that is now locked or static. It seems more to me that the bible should remain every growing and ever expanding thoughout the entire history of mankind. Perhaps it's about to start again. BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE! I believe in the coming revival that the true nature of God's Word, the dynamic nature of His Word will be revealed such that thousands of God's people throughout the world will be divinely inspired to write new scripture in letters, revelations, recording of miracles and so on, thousands of new pages of scripture exploding across the planet. Is it possible, that one day soon, noone will be able to say "I have the whole bible" for it will simply no longer be capable of keeping track of or containing everything written under this special divine inspiration? John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. o Bible Numerics (discovered by Russian mathematician Ivan Panin 1850-1942) � running checksum showing continues pattern of sums and numbers through all 66 books. The Sum of Thy Word is Truth (Ps 119:160) On the surface, it says to me that we must consider the entire word of God, not just parts, to get the whole picture � which is true. Remember in Exodus 12, the Passover lamb had to be completely consumed, including the feet (walk of Christ), innards (heart of Christ), and the head (mind of Christ). As we look deeper, we see that God is a numerical God. That in Hebrew and in Greek, all letters are also numbers in their usage. The addition (sum) of the values of those letters (Gematria) forms a pattern of values throughout the 66 books and only those 66 books. It is not in the apocryphal texts, not in Books of Enoch, Jasher, or Jubilees, and not in the Gospel of Thomas. 40 authors wrote 66 books over 1500 years without the benefit of a computer that has a continuous numeric pattern through all the text � impossible with man. This level of specificity of the text means to me that I should not be working with any paraphrasing as the hidden meanings can be lost by a translator who thought the Lord �must have meant this� by some verse. o Theomatics � seemingly unrelated prose dealing with the same topic have same Gematria. There are a few reference books on this topic on Amazon.com: � The Original Code in the Bible: Using Science and Mathematics to Reveal God's Fingerprints by Del Washburn � Theomatics: Theomatics : God's Best Kept Secret Revealed by Jerry Lucas and Del Washburn � Theomatics II: God's Best Kept Secret Revealed by Del Washburn o Bible Codes � complex codes appear when using Equidistant Letter Sequences (ELS) especially when following the Numerically validated texts. We can tell it�s there, but we do not have the key to the code. We cannot reliably tell what it says. Word association is not sufficient. False events are placed in the text to trap some. Sometimes, the word �delayed� is also found in the matrices that was not previously seen so the events do not occur on the dates originally quoted. Several false paths to the end have been encoded by God to mislead many. To read these codes requires a proper key for decoding and we do not have it. I believe, that at the end of days, we will see that all of human history was encoded underneath the text when Jesus �unseals� the Book of Life, but God never had any message from the prophets that would have the people do anything but repent of their ways. The Bible is also the book of human history and probably also the Book of Life, all in one text as originally written. The Bible Code is for us to see a glimpse into His all-sovereign genius as God but not to foretell the future.



Lazarusty	Aug 5 2008, 12:32 AM Post #10
Advanced Member Posts: 692 Group: Advanced Members Member #248 Joined: October 12, 2006	I believe the so-called bible code is part of the end time deception. You can get the same sort of results using other books and this has been proved. It's an extremely dubious process of information extraction that only the gullible would fall for. We are to be led by The Spirit. The enemy would like to distract us in any other way possible - this includes delving into the so-called science of bible codes for future predictions of events instead of seeking our Father in Heaven. The bible numerics thing isn't all it's cracked up to be either. When I first started reading a book on it, it was about patterns of seven, but then when you read further, you discover there are other patterns instead. In other words, if one pattern doesn't fit, try another - make it fit. As I recall, someone posted here recently too about at least one book of the bible not fitting ANY numeric pattern. Edited by Lazarusty, Aug 5 2008, 12:36 AM.
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