a word for today 8-4-2008

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a word for today 8-4-2008
Topic Started: Aug 4 2008, 08:03 AM (309 Views)
j-Z	Aug 4 2008, 08:03 AM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 408 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 22, 2005	I believe there is one fatal flaw that has severely altered the perspective of God's church on Him and the world He created. It is a belief that "God causes events to happen because he is angry." i don't believe this. God made the world good. We screwed it up. we invited the trouble to come by our actions. the horrible things that happen in this world are the effect of our disobedience. God doesn't stand over these events in anger. He weeps with us because He never meant for life to be this way. We walked away from Him and disobeyed. He has been chasing us every since. He sent His son Jesus to bring us back to Him, to call us to live as we were in the beginning when everything was good. that is why all these prophecies in this group of topics will come and go unfulfilled. they are written with the mindset that God is angry with us and that we must repent. God is patient, unlike we are. God is kind and showers unfailing love and compassion on His creation. I'm not saying you can't and shouldn't follow these prophecies though. I'm just saying you won't find God following our prophecies like a script. He has His own plan - and it doesn't involve doing what we want Him to do, when we want Him to do it. God weeps when bad things happen to us. He doesn't cause them in His anger. He is patient. He weeps with us. that is what love looks like. we all have heard the description of what love is - it is in the bible and we have all read it. God is love. i know this isn't written like every other topic here, in the first person, so take this with a grain of salt. test it. wrestle with it. its not the final word. God has already given it. we are all just adding to the commentary.. cheers, j-Z



DaveLovesJesus	Aug 4 2008, 08:13 AM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 153 Group: Members Member #4,761 Joined: July 7, 2008	j-Z, I agree that God is patient, but if you read the Bible, there are many places where God becomes angry and "pours out His wrath". The last time He does this is in the book of Revelation. If we are living in the last days, the book of Revelation basically shows us a picture of God having enough with the earth and pouring out His wrath upon it before He establishes His Kingdom forever. It is both a scary and exciting time. God does become angry, but He always forgives. We see Him punish Israel over and over again, but yet, He always forgave them. Even at the end of the Old Testament, God had enough with Israel and by 70AD Israel was scattered but He did leave a promise that He would forgive. I don't want to argue, but I wanted to place my thoughts in this thread. I have deep respect for you j-Z and I know you love the Lord. God bless, DaveLovesJesus



j-Z	Aug 4 2008, 11:03 AM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 408 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 22, 2005	Dave - thanks for your reply. i don't disagree with anything you said. I see where you're coming from and I think we are talking about apples and oranges.



Shershalom	Aug 4 2008, 12:07 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 584 Group: Members Member #810 Joined: March 20, 2007	j-Z Aug 4 2008, 08:03 AM I believe there is one fatal flaw that has severely altered the perspective of God's church on Him and the world He created. It is a belief that "God causes events to happen because he is angry." i don't believe this. God made the world good. We screwed it up. we invited the trouble to come by our actions. the horrible things that happen in this world are the effect of our disobedience. God doesn't stand over these events in anger. He weeps with us because He never meant for life to be this way. We walked away from Him and disobeyed. He has been chasing us every since. He sent His son Jesus to bring us back to Him, to call us to live as we were in the beginning when everything was good. that is why all these prophecies in this group of topics will come and go unfulfilled. they are written with the mindset that God is angry with us and that we must repent. God is patient, unlike we are. God is kind and showers unfailing love and compassion on His creation. I'm not saying you can't and shouldn't follow these prophecies though. I'm just saying you won't find God following our prophecies like a script. He has His own plan - and it doesn't involve doing what we want Him to do, when we want Him to do it. God weeps when bad things happen to us. He doesn't cause them in His anger. He is patient. He weeps with us. that is what love looks like. we all have heard the description of what love is - it is in the bible and we have all read it. God is love. i know this isn't written like every other topic here, in the first person, so take this with a grain of salt. test it. wrestle with it. its not the final word. God has already given it. we are all just adding to the commentary.. cheers, j-Z J-Z~ Thanks for your balanced approach and encouragement. Much needed and appreciated. Shalom!
	SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39


7SevenThunders7	Aug 4 2008, 12:10 PM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 428 Group: Members Member #1,910 Joined: October 4, 2007	Thank you J-Z! I for one agree with you on this. I've been trying to say this for a while myself. I think the mindset that God is a punishing God, is an old one and doesn't show us the Love that God has for us and how much the Savior mourns for us when bad things happen to us that like J-Z pointed out, most of which we have caused ourselves. So are these doomsday prophecies actually of the Holy Spirit? Or do some of us need to be set free of an opressive spirit that has settled upon us? I ask that if it is the latter that the Lord would work a miracle in our hearts to release us from any bondage of the enemy and show us the Love the Lord truly has for us. I ask that he break any binds that the enemy has placed upon our lives and that we may be blinded no more, that we may live in fear no more but rather live in peace that surpasses all understanding. Yes, we need to warn those who need to repent, yes we need to be a light in the darkness, the salt of the earth. I ask the Lord to guide our steps, or words and our visions that they be in tune with His Steps and His Word and His Vision. Amen. ~7Seven



jewel4Christ	Aug 9 2008, 05:16 PM Post #6
jewel4Christ Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #4,841 Joined: August 9, 2008	Hi, I am new here, but will jump in on this one. I agree that God is a God of love. I also agree that He is not behind the evils of this world. To put it all in a nutshell, I believe that God wanted man to do what was right, even from the beginning. We were not created as robots, however. He allowed mankind to make choices. The evils of this world are the result of those choices. That is why even in the last days, His wrath is not going to go out on His people, for they are not involved in the evils, on a personal level..but, at the same time, the enemy knows this, and is using man's choices to try to destroy God's people...for it is them that he hates the most. The world is going to reap what it sows. We all have choices to make. Do we want to reap destruction, by following in the ways of satan, and by making those choices that lead to destruction, or do we want to follow Christ and suffer for His name? It is clear that from the beginning this world was doomed to destruction. It was not God's will that put it on that course. It is not God's will that we are caught up in it. We can be in the world without being of the world. That is the choice He wants us to make. The destruction is the result of men making bad choices, for their choices must reap what has been sown. One more thing is clear, is that it is God's judgement, and His correction, for He already stated what would befall mankind from the beginning, and He is not likely to be mocked. There is a huge misunderstanding about whom is to blame for these things, though..for.... jewel



Israeli	Aug 10 2008, 02:50 AM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 719 Group: Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	The prevailing "doctrine" of the Christian church today is that the God of the old testament was a God of judgement, an angry vengeful God. But now He's a God of love and mercy. Doesn't God say He never changes? That He is the same yesterday, today and forever? If Matthew 24 is a true prophecy, then God is trying to get our attention through world disasters. He's trying to wake us up. He's trying to provoke us to repentance. I see no difference between the old or the new. The new is simply the fulfillment of the old. God has not changed. We have. We have preached "Gentle Jesus meek and mild...". So, no one is provoked to repentance. Looks like the Father is going to have to do things the old way. Repent or DOOM. Heb.10:26-31 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearfull expectation of judgement, and a fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who had rejected Moses's law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment do you suppose will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a *common* thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, "vengeance is Mine, I will repay" says the Lord. And again, "the Lord will judge His people". It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Edited by Israeli, Aug 10 2008, 02:54 AM.



jewel4Christ	Aug 10 2008, 09:42 AM Post #8
jewel4Christ Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #4,841 Joined: August 9, 2008	Quote: The prevailing "doctrine" of the Christian church today is that the God of the old testament was a God of judgement, an angry vengeful God. But now He's a God of love and mercy. Doesn't God say He never changes? God does not change. He does use different means with different people, adn that is why the old covenant was different. It dealt with a fleshly nation. jewel



dinosaur	Aug 10 2008, 10:25 AM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 666 Group: Members Member #93 Joined: January 3, 2006	jewel4Christ Aug 10 2008, 09:42 AM God does not change. He does use different means with different people, adn that is why the old covenant was different. It dealt with a fleshly nation. The United States of America is the most fleshly nation in history. Babylon America, the United Sins of Mammon, will reap what she has sown.



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