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| Sounds Like Final Call and Keith's word to me; Mary Clark entry sounds like K and FC | |
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| Deleted User | Aug 7 2008, 12:17 PM Post #21 |
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Okay, FC, this will probably be my last post on this because Wil wanted me to respond to a few things, but I need to address what you wrote. The problem I have with your statements is that you say the cutoff date of Aug. 15th is for CHRISTIANS. So, you say there is no repentance for believers after that date; they are locked into being sheep or goats. You didn't say locked into going through the Trib , you said SHEEP OR GOATS and Jesus said goats go to Hell! I want you to think about what you are saying and the fear, condemnation and panic that will inflict upon many young or struggling believers who read here. You are also hostile and condemning of anyone who believes in the pre-trib rapture. You like David Wilkerson..........did you know he's pre-trib? You like Wil's forum here.........did you know he's pre-trib? Yes, I have read what you have written on the chat board, and the pre-trib rapture position is NOT demonically inspired as you have said. You preach well, but your spirit is not of love. Jeremiah, John the Baptist.......all those you would like to equate yourself with..........preached firmly but out of deep LOVE. Learn. |
 
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Aug 7 2008, 12:22 PM Post #22 |
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Amen Waterfall! Are we the only ones who see this or something? ~7Seven |
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| kgreen20 | Aug 7 2008, 12:23 PM Post #23 |
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I saw that, too. Final Call, when you said that some Christians were going to be classified as goats, you were saying that some Christians are going to lose their salvation and go to Hell. Moreover, it sounds as if they're going to have no hope of getting their salvation back. Even if that wasn't your intended message, that's what we hear you saying. Because no goat will be allowed in Heaven, as we all know; only sheep. That's not what my Bible teaches. Jesus says He will not lose a single person of His, and that those who come to Him, He will not cast out. Edited by kgreen20, Aug 7 2008, 12:24 PM.
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| DaveLovesJesus | Aug 7 2008, 01:21 PM Post #24 |
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I think your tone in this paragraph is just as bad as what you accuse Final Call of. Telling someone to "Learn" is just about as bad as calling them stupid. I don't think it's Christ-like at all. If you are truly going to be Christ-like, you should exhibit patience and forgiveness, not telling people who are fellow believers to "Learn". You do ask a valid question in your previous paragraph, but responding in "retaliation" is what has kept this conflict going in the first place. If you turn your cheek like Jesus tells us to do, but disagree in love and forgiveness, the tone will be different here. As for Final Call, he's acknowleded he should do the same. You can question and disagree without having to tell someone that they lack knowledge. God bless, DaveLovesJesus |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Aug 7 2008, 01:26 PM Post #25 |
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Ooops! I didn't notice the tone she was using of the word "learn"....and then I came behind her and said amen. Well, I meant the rest of her statement was what I agreed with. I did notice this cut-off date in not biblical or at all in accordance with the Lord's Mercy. Unless you're talking about the Mark of the Beast, in which case the cut-off date would be the day you accept the mark, that is to say if we will go through the tribulation, whether or not we will be raptured first, etc. You know the drill. ~7Seven Edited by 7SevenThunders7, Aug 7 2008, 01:33 PM.
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| Deleted User | Aug 7 2008, 01:37 PM Post #26 |
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The "learn" part is not mean. It's not to be condemning. Unfortunately, tone of voice and intent does not come across the internet. He says he is a prophet. He says that he has quit his job and is going to go around to all the churches and preach repentance. If he wants to be like the prophets, he must LEARN from the prophets, and they preached out of LOVE with the goal of RECONCILIATION. God never calls anyone to go and BLAST His sheep --He is gracious and merciful and ALWAYS seeks the hearts to turn to Him. FC, if he is truly called to preach repentance, must LEARN to do it in love. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Aug 7 2008, 01:55 PM Post #27 |
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Thanks for clarification, Learning is always good. I noticed that people can't hear the tone and intentions of a person. In real life I have a voice like a child, people over the phone ask for my Mommy! lol! So in real life, it's hard for people to take my tone as argumentative, plus I'm always smiling and laughing. Online, that doesn't come across and I sound like an old man with a looong beard sometimes when I type! ~7Seven |
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| Deleted User | Aug 7 2008, 02:11 PM Post #28 |
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I, too, have that problem. I often joke and tease in my posts and EVERYONE takes it seriously. I guess I'm not good at writing in such a way that the humor or smile comes across. And I never figured out how to get the smilies to work on these replies, only on posts! Smilies help a lot! LOL! Ugh, there I go again! I"m TRYING to get out of here, but it's like getting gum off my shoe.........it keeps sticking and I keep replying! Gotta go! (Mother of All LOL's!!!) |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Aug 7 2008, 02:13 PM Post #29 |
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I think Final Call has expressed some regret in some of his tone, and you giving him a one word command of "Learn" just didn't sit well with me. I'm sorry if I took it wrong, but it sounded like you already had "learned" and that you were wanting him to as well. Maybe your message is a good message if he's asked for your advice, but imposing it is another story in my opinion. It just sounded like impatience to me. I know email and forums lack tone, so I don't know what the tone was. I just want you to know how it was perceived. But I do disagree on one point. God sent many prophets to "Blast His sheep". Sometimes they were in the face of Israel. Look at David's prophet who accused him of taking the poor man's "one sheep". Look at the letters to the churches. Jesus Himself tells Laeodicia that He's about to spit them out of His mouth. He called the Pharisees a "brood of vipers" and these were the religious guys. Paul, himself rebukes the Corinthians and tries to set them and other churches back on course with his rebuke. There is a time and place for everything under the sun. There is a time for God's love, but also His wrath. In most cases of what we read, He always warns us (and Israel), but we never listen. But when God uses someone to warn a people, the message is never pleasant because it always flies in the face of what people are either doing or accepting. I'm not saying everything Final Call has mentioned is appropriate and maybe we need to get him to clarify the one statement you have mentioned and that would be helpful if he would, but he has apologized for his "zeal" if you will and we need to let it go. Right now, we should be watching, listening, discerning and loving, but not condemning. I think God will do that to those who do not know Him. It's not our job. You should love Final Call even more if you feel like he is missing the truth. Like I said, I'm reserving judgment until I know for sure. I sense the desperation in his posts for the lost and at the very least, he believes that time for decision is running out and I sense the love and concern in his posts, even if he is a little on the over-zealous side at times. Sometimes, you have to see through the words to get the true message of the person. God bless, DaveLovesJesus |
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| MichaelInHisService | Aug 7 2008, 02:35 PM Post #30 |
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Love goes both ways. If we love with the love of Christ then we take no account of wrongs. If he (FC) has wronged you by anything then by love we should take no account. FC - what scripture did the LORD give you to back up the word that there would be a separation of the sheeps and the goats as of 8/15? If he did not can you ask him and relay that? Also we're assuming that the Mark of the Beast is a physical mark that people stand in line for. Doesn't that sound a little too easy? I believe that it is possible that God himself gives them the mark based on the wickedness of their lives. I've heard immature people say that they can do anything and they'll be alright because they don't take the mark...foolishness. Even satan is blinded to the truth and so he in turn blinds others. In Messiah, Michael |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Aug 7 2008, 02:47 PM Post #31 |
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Things that make you go hmmmm......... Call me naive, but all we have to give the message online is the words. How can you see behind a word when it smacks you across the face and is intended to. I forgive him if he came across as over zealous, which is not the phrasing I would have used, but none-the-less, I have forgiven him. But what is the point of us discussing a prophecy at all if we can only post if we agree with what they have said? Sometimes in order for things to be clarified, we must also post our concerns and hope for a good explanation or clarification. Only in this case, instead of clarifications, we receive insults! lol! This is the result so far of all the words. What lies behind the words? I wrote the perspective God had given me on his heart and as I said, the word was good at first but then he mixed in some of himself and it was all confusing for us from then on. This is just my interpretation though, I am a mere mortal afterall and can only rely on words and prayers in order to receive a clear message. I don't have the antennae or whatever method you are using to decipher much else beyond that.  lol! No offense. Remember peeps, Love is not easily offended (in some translations I have heard.) 1 Corinthians 13:4-13 4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. 13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. This is among my favorite verses ever! Love it! ~7Seven |
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| w8n4him | Aug 7 2008, 02:59 PM Post #32 |
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Scripture says before the man of sin is revealed there will be a "falling away".....this means there are Christians who WILL fall from their faith. You can't fall from something you never had..... so yes, Christians can become goats. |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Aug 7 2008, 03:44 PM Post #33 |
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Seven, I'm not saying you have to agree. But there are ways to disagree in love is all. Edifying and uplifting. Maybe it's me, but I want to reflect Christ in all I do, even my disagreements. I'm not saying you aren't doing these things, but there has to be a point when we keep the body of Christ unified instead of divided. "Blessed are the peacemakers..." God bless, DaveLovesJesus |
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| dinosaur | Aug 7 2008, 04:50 PM Post #34 |
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| Final Call | Aug 7 2008, 05:36 PM Post #35 |
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I am posting the same reply as in another thread because it clarifies the sheep and the goats camps. By the 15th and afterwards there will be two camps only. Those who are just "saved" and those who are not only saved but READY to move in every way.(Sheep) Not all who miss the call will fall..but many many will. Those who do not prepare but have a heart for God nonetheless will be saved..though as through fire. But those who stubbornly go their own way and do their own thing no matter what..well..thats the characteristics of goats..stubborn and stiff necked. The days ahead will show it to be very true. I have been commended by some and called a liar by others. Some heed and recieve with Joy the message..and some make excuses based on their own limited understanding. A fire is coming but not a pleasant one. The fire will sweep the churches clean. The submitted and ready sheep will be taken and used. The game players and stubborn ones will be judged most terribly. Some will repent..and save their souls...but only just and they will make it to heaven...but they will miss out on what they could have been. The ones who repent are sheep..even after the 15th there is mercy even for the struggling ones. But the goats..the goats are the ones who were never really saved to begin with. This time ahead will totally seperate the two. Wheat from tares..sheep from goats. Those who prepare NOW...will see amazing things and do mighty exploits..those who are His but dont prepare will suffer loss and sorrow but make it in the end but through great trials of faith..and those who are tares..will burn up altogether. You are going to be very surprised by who turns out to be wheat and who turns out to be tares. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 7 2008, 06:21 PM Post #36 |
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Oh, YES, Dinosaur, I agree! And I am learning just like the rest of you. |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Aug 7 2008, 06:31 PM Post #37 |
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Seven, I won't call you naive ;), but I've been married for over nine years now. Sometimes my wife will tell me she's not having a good evening, or that she's emotional, or that she is tired. What I have learned is that she is really telling me that she needs time with me. Don't ask me how I know how to translate that, but I do. Final Call was in a frenzy talking about sheeps and goats and the 15th being a cut off date and alot of letters in all caps with a few exclamation points with someone saying he was using witchcraft and reading his demeanor I got a different message. All those caps and exclamation points... sheeps and goats... the date... they are all substories to a greater story... He believes a cutoff day is coming and that he really wants us to be ready because he doesn't want us to miss it. Even his post to Kathy about the Rapture... it wasn't about the timing of the Rapture at all to me... He didn't want her to miss what he believes is coming and didn't want her to be surprised if it didn't work out the way she thought. Kathy and Final Call obviously disagree about the Rapture, but really... it's o.k. that they don't agree. Final Call was telling her that he believes something different is coming and that she's going to love it anyway. Time will certainly tell on his point there, but seeing the heart behind what he was telling her was that she is going to love what he sees... He had a few messages like that to other people as well. I could sense his urgency, not hostility, even though some of it could be taken that way... It's looking at the heart of the message... of the person... When we translate messages like this caring for the messenger... whether zeal is your word for it or not... we are peacemakers. We don't lob the missle in return. We turn the cheek and figuratively say, "I love Jesus enough and you enough not to lob back on this topic." It doesn't mean that we pretend we agree or go silent because we don't, but we respond with our convictions to uplift and edify if at all possible. Sometimes, even the heart of a message is bad and you don't have any choice but to respond in a negative way. However, it should be a last resort and covered in prayer. If we can overlook the small pieces that could be focused on, we instead can hear the heart of a message. It has helped me in counseling others and in my marriage. My wife can have some deep encryption and becoming a translator has really helped my marriage and my walk (and staying out of the dog house if you know what I mean :) ). Just my thoughts... God bless, DaveLovesJesus |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Aug 7 2008, 08:49 PM Post #38 |
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See? We have limited understanding if we are confused by his message? I think the sheep and the goats remaining sheep and goats is a confusing message for one thing, because like Waterfall or was it nightbird (sorry need to check) was explaining, we come here with a biblical understanding of what the sheeps and the goats are. We know there are varying degrees of sheeps that can be lukewarm, goats that can still be saved, etc. So it's not our understanding that is limited, but your words that are confused. PS: What did Dinosaur say? Now he's just eating popcorn with a funny grin! lol! ~7Seven |
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| teamldr7 | Aug 7 2008, 09:49 PM Post #39 |
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Hello all, I have stayed out of all of the posts for awhile and would like to make a comment, that the Lord has laid on my heart. I have spent time in prayer and hope that I communicate what is on my heart, so that all will understand (in love). I believe there is a cutoff by August 15, 2008. I view the cutoff slightly different - as from a different perspective (almost like having 4 different authors of the gospels instead of just having 1 - all inspired of course by the Holy Spirit). All saw the works of the Lord but sometimes from different perspectives (or vantage points). I have mentioned 7 teams of people and even though 6 of the teams are locked into a specific number (20 - 25 people), one of the teams (the international team) does not have a fixed number. It currently has 10,000 people (approximately) but the Lord has made it very clear to me that it can hold 20,000 or 30,000 people etc. To be on the team, you must love the Lord with all of your heart, be ready to die if He asks you too and be called or chosen by the Lord (to be on any team). Those are the only 3 requirements I have heard from the Lord. I believe the Lord is somehow checking the hearts of all the Christians and seeing who falls into what category in their love for Him. I am not calling anyone sheep or goats. I am calling everyone either as a team person or not a team person. I do not determine who is on a team - the Lord does. He is looking for those who are willing to lay their lives down for Him. I read the posts here and I don't doubt any of you, in your love for the Lord. My only question would be this: are you ready to die for Him if he called you to? My hope would be that all of you would qualify to be on the teams, but I don't know if that will happen. I consider it a high honor bestowed on me to be on a team. I would like all of you join me in serving the Lord in this capacity. But, the cutoff date is before the 15th begins. So. there is a cutoff date and it is rapidly advancing toward us. Being on the team doesn't make you anymore loved than those who aren't on a team. I don't look as the team people being any more spiritual (in some respects) than those who aren't on a team. The team people have a different call than those not on the team. There is no elitism or pride in anything I am saying - just facts and in some places, my own feelings. I believe that the Lord has told me (numerous times) that there is a cutoff point of August 15th to be on a team. At the beginning of that day, the teams will be locked in place. I share this in an effort to "qualify" what I think the cutoff means. I am still open to respond to any of your emails for the short time that is remaining. Email me with any questions. Please treat this post with the same spirit of love that I wrote this in. Keith |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Aug 7 2008, 10:53 PM Post #40 |
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Seven, This is exactly my point. This is one of those statements that you "sift" through to find the meaning to the message. Is it hurtful? sure it is... It's as if Final Call is calling you "stupid" in that one brief sentence. And to be truthful, he is. However, it's not the main message of what was said. This is where part of this has to roll off and the cheek has to turn. To be honest, I don't completely understand the message Final Call gave, but I'm watching. I guess that makes me stupid too. Does it bother me that I may fall in the stupid category from Final Call's words? Not really. I think my reply would be: "Final Call, I have to admit... I don't understand what you are trying to say to us. Will you help me understand?" Instead, people went on the offensive from that and then the bickering broke out and the missles were launched. Do you think Final Call's response may have been different if you used the quote I placed above? satan can use one sentence to start a conflict. I just refuse to give him the satisfaction. Really, the heart of Final Call's distress is that he wants people to get the message... It's easy to see if you step back and look. Do you have a right to be upset? sure you do... But just like Jesus forefitted His right to justice on the cross, set aside the "right" that you have and show love instead... Just like your loving Savior who loves you so much. You don't have to agree with everything I've said here. I love this board and the people on it anyway. You all love my Savior as well.... God bless, DaveLovesJesus |
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