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| A Fresh Baptism of the Holy Spirit Coming; - David Wilkerson | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 29 2008, 01:11 AM (1,460 Views) | |
| Israeli | Aug 18 2008, 11:31 AM Post #21 |
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Both my husband (Jewish non-believer) and I listened to it. DW says he doesn't ever "pump" the crowd. We thought he actually was. It seemed theatrical with the quavery voice. (And I LOVE Conlon, but WHY does he HAVE to SCREAM???) Now, don't get me wrong, I've been listening to DW since 1973. No problems with his words ever. My point is this: Is there NO pastor on this earth who can just preach without a SHOW? My poor husband was so put off! And he NEEDS the word! I was so disappointed with D Wilkerson. It just sounded fake to me. I'm not trying to rain on the parade, its just that I don't feel I can trust one single solitary pastor in any church today. They all gotta do a "show"! Ok, maybe he (and Conlon) feel real passion, but it chases alot of seekers away! I was heart sick after it. Sorry. I hope you get real revival, for those who can take the screaming, crying, quavering and shouting. Edited by Israeli, Aug 18 2008, 11:32 AM.
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| WisconsinGardener | Aug 18 2008, 01:15 PM Post #22 |
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 While I only joined your group recently, I've been reading here for a long time - and I never realized until just now that you were a woman! I feel like I should apologize, even though, of course, you didn't know that's what I thought. How funny the perceptions we can get of people online that can be so very wrong!
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| Wil | Aug 18 2008, 11:29 PM Post #23 |
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I don't care much for shouting in my preachers either, though I understand it's their passion and personality so I deal with it. As for Wilkerson, never have been turned off or considered fake anything he says or does while preaching, indeed this is the first time I've ever heard the criticism. I just see a very sincere lover of God who desires nothing but to do the will of his Lord. And what he is believing to be His will now is to preach about a coming great worldwide revival/harvest, which does make him quite excited at the thought of, and especially so since it appears to be beginning at his church. |
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| Israeli | Aug 19 2008, 02:51 AM Post #24 |
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Wil, I understand you one hundred percent. I hear you. My observation is by no means criticism, its DESPERATION. I qualified all that I said that I too have never had a problem with any of "what" he says. He is a Godly man. Always has been. I meant it sounded fake simply because it SOUNDED like he was pumping the crowd, and there can be a fine line between passion and "emotionalism". Sometimes people want revival so badly they unconsciously do try to "bring it on". I've seen it hundreds of times. It never brings true revival. But, then, I wasn't in the audience. I'm sure he probably is totally sincere. And as I said, I hope GOD DOES bring you TRUE revival there at TSC! But, I hope we aren't all left out of it simply because we do not go to your church! The reason I say anything about this is because I too am desperate for revival! I'M DESPERATE FOR GOD! So it may be coming to TSC! Well, I DON"T GO THERE! SO WHAT AM I, WHO IS DESPERATELY HUNGRY, STARVING, AND THIRSTY SUPPOSED TO DO? He preached great hope for you! What about us? Who have NO HEALTHY CHURCH TO GO TO? This is why I'm so desperate!!! Thats why I was brought so down! |
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| Wil | Aug 19 2008, 08:41 AM Post #25 |
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If Wilkerson and the others are right Janet the whole world will soon be caught under a revival wave, however we don't have to wait for it, spending quality time alone with Him will bring the same results that come from any meeting, in reality revival is nothing more than christianity the way it ought to be, folk being led by Him as we surrender our all to Him. |
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| Shershalom | Aug 19 2008, 08:56 AM Post #26 |
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Psalm 34 Psalm 37 Psalm 40 Good for revival! Good for your soul! 
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| Wil | Nov 28 2008, 01:46 AM Post #27 |
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A word about the sign of Billy Graham by Munday Martin WWW.CONTAGIOUSLOVEINTL.COM We are in a fresh season of revival and outpouring in America. I can tell you that, even from my own testimony, that it is true! We are in the times of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and transitioning into the time of Glory! Where literally the glory of the Lord is going to cover the earth. This is because of the desperate prayers of the saints and the youth of America. Acts 2 promises when God pours out His Spirit, "young men will have visions." I know it is true, because 9 years ago, I was one of those young men in Nashville, TN. God gave me a vision of Heaven and Hell that caused me to repent from my backslidings and come to Christ with a radical evangelical calling. I want to tell you all more, but let me move into a now word for America about Billy Graham- PROCEEDED by a word about Restitution. The church is about to receive a paradigm shift where we not only go after revival, but cultural reformation! or to put it Biblically...RESTITUTION! The Bible says it plainly in Acts,".....the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heavens must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began." (Acts 3:19-21). Jesus is not coming back until the restitution of all things comes about. Let's just take a brief look at Merriam Webster's definition of the word restitution: What does it actually mean? Jesus will not come back to earth until RESTITUTION: 1: an act of restoring or a condition of being restored: as a: a restoration of something to its rightful owner b: a making good of or giving an equivalent for some injury 2: a legal action serving to cause restoration of a previous state. What was the previous state of America during the Great Awakening for instance? This paragraph taken from Wake Forest University's web-site states, "The Great Awakening was a watershed event in the life of the American people. Before it was over, it had swept the colonies of the Eastern seaboard, transforming the social and religious life of land. Although the name is slightly misleading--the Great Awakening was not one continuous revival, rather it was several revivals in a variety of locations--it says a great deal about the state of religion in the colonies. For the simple reality is that one cannot be awakened unless you have fallen asleep." To put it plainly, the American Church is simply getting back something that rightfully belongs to us! Healing, miracles, signs, wonders, salvations!!! And just as in the days of The Great Awakening, it will not be limited to one region or city...it will be cities all over! It will be a restitution of the day of Pentecost where just as in one day 3000 believed in Jesus, so shall these one day occurrences happen again. We are getting ready to see in one day, many ministries reporting, "In one day, we saw thousands of salvations!" It is coming to America! If Acts 3: 19-21 is true... then Jesus truly is not coming back until we see Restitution of all things! We have not even seen the fulfillment of that scripture yet, but we are about to over the next decade! The Bible says, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." Acts 10:38 Now we know this about Christ, and we love it! But do we know we can have it too? Much of the body does not realize that Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go to my Father." John 14:12 The greater works are now here because the Holy Spirit is pouring out on his body. He is getting us ready for harvest reaping. It is for reaching the lost! It will sweep the arts and it will sweep through entertainment! Now to take you to more of a prophetic insight of a sign we can look for, I want to share something the Lord told me the other day. He talked to me the other day about one of my heroes of the American faith today, Dr. Billy Graham. God told me about "Billy Graham the Baptist"... We are getting ready to see stadiums filled again as in the days of Billy Graham's early ministry. But this time, it won't just be alter calls for salvation, it will be baptisms of fire and the Holy Spirit. It will be tongues of fire, shakings, healings, sign, wonders, and miracles! God told me a couple weeks that Billy Graham is soon coming home to be with Jesus. This will be a sign of the time. He said, "Just as in the days of John the Baptist, John was a forerunner preparing the way of the Lord. God said, "watch the scripture, as John the Baptist said "I come baptizing with water (indicating prophetically Billy Graham's ministry of repentance and "coming to the water" so to speak so as to put away sin, and receive Christ.) but there will come one greater than I he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire." God said, when Billy the Baptist comes home to be with me, there will come ones mightier than he, and He (The Lord Jesus Christ) will baptize this nation, in stadiums, with the Holy Ghost and Fire! Also he will use Media. It's a Media Revival coming. When Billy goes home to Heaven, this will spark a national revival. THE STADIUMS WILL BE FILLED AGAIN! But this time, with fire! Fire on the land:Watch, even the places that fire has been ravaging the land, for it is there that you will see this baptism of God's fire pour out! Look for the places where the fire is hitting and has been hitting. We all know that California's economy has suffered tremendously from forest fire damage in the past few years, but God says, he is purging this state and getting ready to ignite the State of California again! And it will be again! For even in the same city where the Azuza street revival occurred, there will be another Revival of Los Angeles. Even where the Jesus Moment was birthed, there will be another! Also, Romans 11:15 is about to come to fulfillment for American Jews. "For if the casting away of them (The Jewish people) be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" Just as in the Jesus Movement where there were many Jews of America saved, it will happen again! Another restitution! Many American Jews will see a new movement even on TV! They will see their actor friends come to the Lord. They will see producers of film turn to Christ, musicians of bands, even a subculture of body pierced and tattooed lost boys and girls will all begin to call upon the name of the Lord, even homosexuals and lesbians. Gangta rappers! Country Stars! In this time, many Jews will come to the knowledge of Yeshua (Jesus in Hebrew) and it will cause a life from the dead revival all over the world. There is a Greater Awakening now coming, there is a greater Jesus movement on the horizon! A sign of it's beginning will be when Billy Graham comes home to be with Jesus! That is when this will begin large scale. I see Parking lots of concert venues being filled with young people leading a new healing revival in the streets. I see people flocking to California again as in the summer of love, but this time not for drugs, and not for new age, but because they hear GOD IS MOVING IN CALIFORNIA! AND Los Angeles! This time they will come not to find drugs but to find out how to be free from them, not to find perversion, but how to be free from it, not to find a lover, but to find the lover of their souls- The Lord Jesus Christ! There will also be a holiness Revival in Texas and it will be led by Latin Americans, some who don't even speak English. Billy the Baptist is coming home! There will come ones mightier than he, and HE (The Lord Jesus Christ) will baptize people publicly all over America in the stadiums, and a Media Revival, with the Holy Ghost and with fire. Revivalist Munday Martin President of Contagious Love Int'l PO Box 1868 Antioch, TN 37011 www.contagiousloveintl.com |
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| Lazarusty | Nov 28 2008, 07:10 PM Post #28 |
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33rd degree Billy Graham, who nows says that Jesus is not the only way to God? He may very well be close to going "home", just not sure where that "home" is... As regards to revival, will it be stadiums filled with people again, or is that just man's idea? No one knows exactly, when or how the revival will start or just what the manifestations will be. It's unlike anything God has ever done before; he's been keeping it as a surprise for the end. |
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| Ruth | Nov 28 2008, 10:33 PM Post #29 |
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quote frome Lazarusty "33rd degree Billy Graham, who nows says that Jesus is not the only way to God?" ---------------------------- please back this comment up with proof. |
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| Israeli | Nov 29 2008, 04:39 AM Post #30 |
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Billy Graham's apostasy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 10, 2006 1:00 am Eastern By Tom Flannery © 2008 After more than six decades spent preaching the Gospel – the truth that we can only be saved by God's grace through faith alone in Christ – Billy Graham now says non-Christians in other faiths (false religions) and secular humanists may be going to heaven. In a profile of Graham in the current issue of Newsweek, managing editor Jon Meacham asks the 87-year-old evangelist whether those who belong to religions that reject Christ as savior (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.) and secularists will be saved. "Those are decisions only the Lord will make," Graham replied. "It would be foolish for me to speculate on who will be there [in heaven] and who won't. ... I don't want to speculate about that." Of course, it's true that Christ is the eternal Judge and will determine who spends eternity with Him and who does not. But it's also true that He has told us plainly, through His personal testimony and the many corroborations contained in His Word, that it is only by believing in Him that a person can be saved. He is, after all, the One who said of Himself: "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25) So there's no need to "speculate" about something that has been clearly revealed to the world by Christ. In the Newsweek profile, Graham explains his new thinking thus: "I believe the love of God is absolute. He said He gave His Son for the whole world, and I think He loves everybody regardless of what label they have." Indeed, He does. John 3:16 assures us: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son ..." The question isn't whether God loves every one of us or not, but why would He allow His beloved Son to die on the cross? He answers that question in the conclusion of this same verse. It is so that "... whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (emphasis mine). Because He loves us so much, Christ took the punishment we deserved for our sins and died in our place on the cross because it was the only way that any of us could ever be saved. According to God's inerrant, immutable Word, salvation is based exclusively upon believing in Christ – believing not being mere mental assent, but rather the placing of one's complete trust for eternal life in the Person of Christ and His completed work for us on the cross – apart from which there is no possibility of being saved. John 3:36 tells us: "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Meacham hails Graham's conversion (so to speak) on the primary issue of salvation as an enlightened ecumenism, when it's really nothing more than age-old universalism – the erroneous idea that all roads lead to God and we're all going to get to heaven one way or another. This is the "I'm all right, you're all right" philosophy of the world. Well, if I'm all right and you're all right, then someone is going to have to explain the cross. Meacham describes Graham's embrace of universalism in glowing terms, similar to the way in which media elites like himself celebrate Republican legislators who adopt liberal voting patterns over time as having "grown in office." Thus, the Newsweek article is entitled "Pilgrim's Progress." Get it? In the piece, Meacham calls Graham "a resolute Christian who declines to render absolute verdicts about who will get into heaven and who will not" and as someone who "refuses to be judgmental." As liberals have been lecturing us for decades, we can't speak in absolutes (because, according to their warped worldview, they don't exist) and therefore should never be "judgmental." Meacham writes panegyrically how Graham has come to "an appreciation of complexity," or what liberals like to call nuance. They love that, because it's completely antithetical to the Bible's dogmatic teachings about right and wrong, good and evil. He says Graham's newfound complexity and "gentleness of spirit" (i.e., as opposed to the rank mean-spiritedness of those who hold to the truth of Scripture) separates Graham from other far more incendiary and divisive religious figures – radicals like Graham's own son Franklin, who had the unmitigated gall to tell the truth about Islam being "a very evil and wicked religion" (his father, needless to say, strongly dissents). Graham's redefining of salvation doctrine also separates him from any number of others who were considered radicals in their day. One of them was the apostle Paul, who wrote by inspiration of God: "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus." (I Timothy 2:5) Another was the apostle John, who wrote by inspiration of God about Christ: "But as many as received Him, to them He [God] gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His [Christ's] name." (John 1:12) Yet another was the beloved physician Luke, who wrote by inspiration of God concerning Jesus: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) This verse is a four-fold declaration of the truth that salvation is found only in Christ, and in Christ alone. How much clearer can it be? Well, even more important is the testimony of one other "radical" ... Jesus Himself, who declared unequivocally: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) Graham hasn't completely forsaken the Gospel message, telling Meacham that he's made his share of mistakes in life but knows that all those transgressions have been paid for by the shedding of Christ's precious blood. And he does acknowledge with great regret in the article that he didn't spend nearly as much time studying Scripture as he should have through the years. Considering his apostate redefining of salvation doctrine, I'd have to agree with him on that one. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51461 |
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| Israeli | Nov 29 2008, 04:42 AM Post #31 |
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Is Billy Graham a 33° Degree Freemason? The Illuminati have since time past conspired to establish a New World Order. To achieve this goal, 3 main areas are to be infiltrated and throughly subverted. One World Government One World Religion One World Economy It is by placing key 33rd degree Freemasons at the apex of political, religious and economic instutions that their satanic goals can succeed. Billy Graham has been selected and used by the Illuminati to work to bring about a One World Global Church based at the Vatican. This exposure of Billy Graham's Masonic links will include An ex-Freemason's testimony of Billy Graham attending his 33rd Degree Masonic initiation Billy Graham's endorsement of a Masonic youth group. Billy Graham being praised by many 33rd Degree Masons and receiving awards from them Robert Morey's knowledge of Billy Grahams Masonic File Freemasons that are employed by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association Billy Graham gets nearly 1 million dollars from a New Age Occultist Billy Graham on Famous Freemason list done by Masonic Grand Lodges Billy Graham endorsing and helping other 33rd Degree Freemasons such as Oral Roberts, Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale. Billy Graham receives award from a powerful Masonic Lodge Billy Graham receives award from a Masonic University 33rd Degree Freemasons Mark Hatfield and Jesse Jackson help Billy Graham Billy Graham attended a Freemasons only meeting (eyewitness evidence) BGEA hires Freemasons to help with a crusade Billy Graham And Norman Vincent Peale Believe That Jesus Christ Lied Numerous other Masonic/Satanic/New World Order connections.......... Most of the above evidence will be posted soon with evidence and documentation. URGENT INFORMATION The Cutting Edge Website has been deceived by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. They now say the Graham is not a Freemason when I have placed heaps of evidence that show he really is. Please come in here for the latest information. UPDATE : Cutting Edge Replies http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/billy.htm |
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