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today's NEW vision
Topic Started: Jul 21 2008, 12:29 PM (650 Views)
j-Z	Jul 21 2008, 12:29 PM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 408 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 22, 2005	i have a vision for the world where christians are the light of the world, not the enemy in battle formation ready to condemn and kill and judge and ridicule. i have a vision for the world where christians forcefully enhance towards "christlikeness" and away from the ways of death. i have a vision for the future that is bright and endless for God's children, not dark/scary/vengeful as i've seen here in various topics. i have a vision for the future for God's children, who will bring hope/love/mercy/grace/peace to the world and mirror God's light/love to the world as opposed to being separated completely from the world or taken out of the world. its not a world where the disaster is the main point. God's love is the point. God is the main attraction and all are welcome to join in. shedding "light" on the bad things takes away from the light that should be focused on God and all his goodness and compassion and kindness. its a different perception. if we are so focused on telling people they can't see and they will fall because of it, we aren't helping the cause. we need to help them find their glasses. God wants us to help them find their glasses, not unprofitably tell them they can't see and that they will fall.



7SevenThunders7	Jul 21 2008, 02:15 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 428 Group: Members Member #1,910 Joined: October 4, 2007	It's a Christ-like vision and one I hope to live with the power of Christ who strengthens me, because I myself am not a good person, I need Him. ~7Seven



Final Call	Jul 21 2008, 04:07 PM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 430 Group: Members Member #787 Joined: March 16, 2007	I loved you long before the time your eyes first saw the day. And everything ive done has been to help you on the way. But you took all that you wanted and at last you took your leave. You traded of a kingdom for the lies that you've believed. And although you've chosen darnkess with all its miseries and fears. Although you've gone so far from me and wasted all these years. Even though my names been spattered by the mire in which you lie... I'd take you back this instant if you'd turn to me and cry...turn and cry.. I dont care where you've been sleeping, I dont care who's made your bed. I already gave my life to set you free. There's no sin you could imagine that is stronger than my love. And its all yours if you come home again to me. When you've come back to your senses and you see who's been to blame. Remember all the good things that were yours with just my name. Then dont waste another thought before you change the way you're bound. Cause i'll be running out to meet you..if you only turn around...turn around.



DaveLovesJesus	Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 179 Group: Members Member #4,761 Joined: July 7, 2008	Well, I think some of the topics here are Biblical and you don't have to be a scholar to see that our world is changing and becoming more violent in nature... From people, to the environment, to governments and we can see the winds of change on the horizon. Christians know that the plane is about to crash and they have to warn others, not because of hate or ill will, but because of love. What a monster we would be if we knew something horrible was coming and we didn't say anything about it. It's not out of separation desires, it's about being in the world and not of it, it's about glorifying Christ even if death is necessary. The woes of this world will continue and it may get dark. We may suffer. Some people think that pre-trib means no suffering. Tell that to the Chinese Christians who are arrested and killed, Iranian Christians who are martyred, Indonesia, Britian, Middle East... We may suffer for a time, but Jesus will catch us and keep us for all eternity. We have to understand that if we are living in the last days, horrible times will come and I'm not sure when Jesus comes to remove us from this. I've heard good arguments for Pre, Mid and Post trib. I want out on the first load up, but until that happens, we must be prepared. We are in His hands... God bless, DaveLovesJesus



j-Z	Jul 25 2008, 12:56 PM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 408 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 22, 2005	hahaha. FC - that was funny. i love your attempts, as subtle as they are, to guilt me into changing my perspective. we all make our own choices - and your's are very clear. i choose, however, to make my feeble efforts with the world around me in a different manner. i've already found with personal experience that guilting people to believe what i do doesn't work. i choose to make my efforts focused on winning people to Christ with real, honest, raw love. the kind that doesn't say "you better or else" but rather "i love this - please join me". nobody whips out their wallet and tries to "convince" someone else that their picture of their child is superior to all other children in the world. they instead offer a glimpse of the beauty they see for all to see and want to share it so others can see what they see. i really do appreciate you (all 3 of you) taking the time to comment. that wasn't my goal. i just wanted to share a hidden part of my heart and my thoughts with you all. how you interpret it or judge it, whether good or bad, is completely up to you. i would hate for anyone to just accept my words as God's truth in how the future will play out. test them and let them go if they have no place here. my goal is christlikeness, which isn't up for debate. so...peace i leave you. do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. tomorrow will bring its own troubles. enjoy this day. it will be over soon. cheers to all! :o)



SpiritIsWilling	Jul 25 2008, 02:10 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 520 Group: Advanced Members Member #3,594 Joined: March 22, 2008	This subject reminds me of a prophecy that I just read today from the "In His Kingdom" website. It is kinda lengthy, but worth the read: Day 17 My word this morning will consist of the ways that man can be led to me, that man can be taught my word, and the ways that man has of eliminating the sin that is in his body. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Will it not be so? My word, when it is taught, when it is read, when it is understood, will be sent to your spirit. Your spirit will acknowledge the truth in my word, will accept it, will understand it. When my spirit understands my word it will be taken into the innermost beings of my people. When it is understood, when it is acted on, it will become truth; and then when my word is acted on in faith, it will be manifested in the physical. When my word is acted on, when it is understood, when it is taken in to the innermost being, this is when the full life, the abundant life, will begin. After my word is understood, after it is brought into the open, after words are spoken, the words that are spoken will begin the physical life, the abundant life. And after the abundant life has begun, my word will have accomplished what I came for - to bring you the abundant life that my word talks about. But you must understand, you must read, you must listen to my word. You must love, you must obey, you must act on my word. My word, just understood inside of you in your spirit will do you no good unless it is acted on, unless it is spoken, unless it is sent without from within. I the Messiah. I have spoken. Is it not so? When my word is studied, when it is read, when it is understood, when it is in the spirit, when the mind has been renewed, I will restore the soul to the point where my word can be brought up, can be remembered whenever I want my people to remember my word. I can help them live the abundant life. I can help them understand. I can help them bring up scripture. I can help them bring up my word when the time comes, when it is necessary for the abundant life that I want you to have to be accomplished. When my word is not studied, when it is not learned, I cannot bring it up. I cannot bring it to your memory, because your word must be put inside your memory, inside your spirit, like a computer. When a word is brought into the memory, when it is stored in the spirit, when I restore your soul my word is kept safe. It is ready to accomplish what I have sent out for it to do. It is there whenever you need my word; in any situation, my word will come forth. When it is spoken you are acting on my word. You act on my word, it is accomplishing what I want it to. My word will not come back void. My word will accomplish what I want it to accomplish. When you do not speak my word when you think it is time to be spoken, that does not mean that you do not know my word. It only means it is not time for it to be spoken. It is not in the best interest of your brother or sister that he hears what you have to say at that time. But when you come to him in love, when you truly want to help him, not just for the sake that you know scripture as you want to lead someone to me, but that you love him, for the reason that I want you to lead my people to me, then and only then will I bring up my word, will I set in motion what I want accomplished. When my word is spoken without love it will turn my people and the people of the world farther away from me, even though the same words, spoken in love, would accomplish it. The words spoken without love will drive them away. You must love, you must learn to love, you must obey me, for my word to accomplish what it is intended for it to accomplish. When my word is spoken in malice with hatred in your heart, without love, it is like a cymbal, like a trumpet, that is not spoken clearly to the spirit of the person you are speaking to. Because his spirit does not recognize the love, his spirit does not recognize what it is made to recognize: the love in a brother or sister in their life. When it is spoken to the unsaved it is like an irritation that is sent to his spirit, because it is not my true word. My true word has to be taught, has to be spoken in love. If there is not complete love there, it is not accomplishing what I want it to do. If there is love there, if it is my love, then the words that you speak will be soothing to the hearer; the words that you speak will bring the hearer to you. He will listen, he will try to understand and then my spirit can work with him. My spirit will draw him to me. My spirit will help him to understand the words that he is hearing. He will help him to understand. He will comfort him. He will help him to come to me. The greatest way that my people have of bringing unsaved to me is through love. When you truly love the unsaved, when you truly love my people, they will listen to you, they will understand and they will come to me. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Is it not all truth? When my word is brought out in the open, when it is spoken, when words are formed, I can accomplish what I want them to. When love is there, when faith is there when they are spoken, they will accomplish; they will not come back void. My word is all truth, my word is love. My word will unite the fallen, the unsaved, the unloved to me. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Is there not truth in these words? Love my people, obey me, love the people of the world. Do not condemn them for their sins but love them. Hate the sin but love the people. Do not tell them what they are doing wrong; just tell them of me. Tell them that I have forgiven their sins; there is no condemnation. I will not condemn them. I have forgiven them, I have died for them. Why would I condemn them? Tell them I love them. Tell them they don't have to give anything up. Tell them to love me. Tell them to ask me for forgiveness and I will cleanse their soul as I have cleansed their sin. I have already forgiven them and the more they seek me, the more they read my word and study my word, the more I will help them to love me; and the more they love me, the more they will obey me. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Do not tell the people of the world what they are doing wrong. Do tell them of me, of my love, what I have done for them: that I died for their sins and their sins are already forgiven, just to change from their evil ways, to seek me, to study of me and to change from their evil ways to my ways, to confess in faith that they are saved. Then I will change their spirit in an instant. Then my spirit can work with them. He can help them understand my word and my ways. I am love. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. My word, when sent out, when spoken, will bring to me all of the people that love me, that will obey me. When the people of the world know my word, when they know the sin they are in, when they enjoy it, I cannot help them. But when the evil one has brought them down to anguish, to pain, to suffering, the people of the world will come to me, when they are loved, when they are understood, when they are not condemned. When my people hear the love in the heart of my word that is spoken by my teachers, they will come closer to me and I will draw closer to them. It will take time but that is the plan of salvation, that is my Father's plan. It cannot be improved; it is perfect as I am perfect. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Is not the truth of my word verifying the spoken word? When my Father sent me to earth, I studied his word, I obeyed his word, I loved. If I would have sinned, if I would have disobeyed, my Father would not have been able to put the sins of my people on me. He would not have been able to rid the world of sin. When the sin was put on me and I was crucified, my blood cleansed the sin of the world. When the people of the world accept this and they believe this, when they act in faith, their sins are cleansed, their spirits are renewed and their love is started. But their love must continue to grow. It must not wane; it must continue to grow. My love will be given to my people. My love will grow when my word is studied and when my word is obeyed. When my people understand my word, the love in their heart will grow to an extent of perfect love. Perfect love is what my Father has. Perfect love is what I have. The love that we have can be given to my people when they study, when they act, when they obey. Perfect love will heal. Perfect love will bring people to me. Perfect love is my love. Do not misunderstand; you, too, will have perfect love when you know my word, when you obey me, when you are one with me. But you must learn, you must obey, you must act, for this to be accomplished in your life. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Is it not truth? When my love is shown to others, when a kind deed is done that is not expected, when words of love are spoken when the hearer expects words of hate, then he will be turned around. He will stop and try to understand what was said. When words of love are spoken they will accomplish what I have set out for them to accomplish. My love is true love, my love will not hinder my word. My love will accomplish my word. When my word is taught without love, it will not bring people to me; it will not bring souls to my kingdom. My love will accomplish this. When I came to earth, when I loved, when I healed, when I accomplished miracles, this was done by the anointing by the Holy Spirit. I received the anointing, I received the fulfilling of the Spirit of God when the dove descended on me, and from then on I was able to accomplish what my Father wanted me to accomplish. You cannot accomplish perfect love without the fulfilling of my spirit, without the evidence of my spirit filling you. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. The love that is trying to be accomplished without my filling of my spirit is not my perfect love. It is love that is thought up, that is sent to your thoughts from the evil one. You may think you love, you may act like you love, but you do not have perfect love, as is evident by my people and the people of the world not coming to me, not repenting and not loving me. When the love that I have given you is shared, my people will come, my people will love, my people will understand. I am the Messiah. Is it not truth? When the love that is thought, that is tainted through your mind from the evil one, is given to the world, it sends them further away because they do not understand. There is an irritation in their spirit because they know that it is not true love, it is tainted love, with purposes not sent from me. It is love that is used on earth to accomplish the things that are of the earth: to bring pride, to bring honor to someone on the earth. Perfect love will bring honor and praise to me. Perfect love will unite the people of the world to me. Perfect love will bring them. Perfect love will bring my people to praise and worship me. Perfect love is my love. So be kind to all people. Love them dearly, do not irritate them. Do not love them for the wrong purpose. Love them because I died for them. Love them because I have placed all their sins on me. I have allowed man to crucify me for these very same people that you are to love. Do obey me. Do study my word. Do act on my word and also do love. Love them not with a selfish love, but love them with an all-giving, with an open, with a tender love that I have given to you to accomplish what my word has been sent for. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Take this truth into your heart. Obey this truth and accomplish what I have sent my people to accomplish. Tell the world the truth about my word, about my love, about me. There is no other way to get to my Father except by means of me. Go now and show my word and show my love to my people and the people of the world. I am the Messiah. I have spoken. Is it not all truth?
	Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


j-Z	Jul 25 2008, 02:48 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 408 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 22, 2005	SpiritIsWilling - I've NEVER read anything from this site more worthy to be called "truth" than your efforts today. you have brought truth and reality to this place, and I acknowledge it. thank you



SpiritIsWilling	Jul 25 2008, 03:00 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 520 Group: Advanced Members Member #3,594 Joined: March 22, 2008
	Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


Shershalom	Jul 25 2008, 03:34 PM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 612 Group: Advanced Members Member #810 Joined: March 20, 2007	Edited by Shershalom, Jul 25 2008, 03:35 PM.
	SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39


Wil	Jul 28 2008, 12:22 AM Post #10
Administrator Posts: 9,531 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	DaveLovesJesus Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM Well, I think some of the topics here are Biblical and you don't have to be a scholar to see that our world is changing and becoming more violent in nature... From people, to the environment, to governments and we can see the winds of change on the horizon. Christians know that the plane is about to crash and they have to warn others, not because of hate or ill will, but because of love. What a monster we would be if we knew something horrible was coming and we didn't say anything about it. It's not out of separation desires, it's about being in the world and not of it, it's about glorifying Christ even if death is necessary. The woes of this world will continue and it may get dark. We may suffer. Some people think that pre-trib means no suffering. Tell that to the Chinese Christians who are arrested and killed, Iranian Christians who are martyred, Indonesia, Britian, Middle East... We may suffer for a time, but Jesus will catch us and keep us for all eternity. We have to understand that if we are living in the last days, horrible times will come and I'm not sure when Jesus comes to remove us from this. I've heard good arguments for Pre, Mid and Post trib. I want out on the first load up, but until that happens, we must be prepared. We are in His hands... God bless, DaveLovesJesus Amen Dave. Great post there too Spirit'.



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