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| Final Call | Jul 26 2008, 08:01 PM Post #21 |
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Read Daniel...revelation...Mathew..and luke. IN that order...and ASK JESUS to open your eyes. Do it in a humble and willing to change your mind if need be kind of way. Read all in context...and read it again...seeking constantly the truth. Keep a clear head and do this when you are most awake..not at night when you are tired. Fast if need be as it sharpens the eyes of your spirit to recieve. You will never find if you never seek..and if you DO seek you will not find if you only seek singled out verses to justify a particular mindset. read all in CONTEXT..and do all this WITH the Holy spirit as your guide and counselor....and you WILL FIND AND REALISE the truth. For years I just blindly believed the party line the corrupt Mason infected churches of today pump out..until I was taken to the wilderness for three years..alone..me..my bible..and God. There I sought..opened my heart..and was desperate to find the REAL truth..IN its whole context. I did..and some people are having a hard time swallowing it because it goes beyond what the church of today wants you to be or know. They do not WANT you to realise just WHO YOU ARE in Christ..for it would threaten their power OVER you..and the money they rake IN from you. Instead..seek the LORD ALONE..and BE NOT DECIEVED ANYLONGER |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 26 2008, 08:57 PM Post #22 |
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Final Call, if you're not going to tell us what God has apparently told you, then please stop teasing us with these hints. Either you've received some kind of word from the Lord or you have not. If you have, then please tell us what it is. If you won't, then please don't say anything more. It's not fair to the members here. |
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| Pamelot | Jul 26 2008, 09:14 PM Post #23 |
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Truthfully, I can think of one thing that sounds better than an easy one-way ticket out of here, and that's to be here, endowed with all of the power, authority and love of Jesus when he walked the Earth, ministering to people's needs as we find them, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, comforting the fearful, everything He promised the believers "and even greater things than these." Imagine the good that can be accomplished by thousands upon thousands of "Jesus clones" all over the world, walking untouched and unmoved in the midst of disasters, being about their Father's business.  Now, that sounds exciting! 
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| Rahab | Jul 26 2008, 09:35 PM Post #24 |
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AMEN & AMEN Come quickly Lord Jesus. |
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| Issachar | Jul 26 2008, 10:34 PM Post #25 |
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FC. I have also seen what is about to come upon us, both the good and the bad. It is glorious for the TRUE believe and grievously bad for the non believer and for those who think they believe. |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 26 2008, 10:36 PM Post #26 |
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Well, that sounds very noble and unselfish, you guys, but take a look at these passages from the Book of Revelation and then tell me if you really think it's going to be feasible to spend the 7 years of the Tribulation "walking the Earth, ministering to people's needs as we find them, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, comforting the fearful," etc. Please read these passages carefully before giving an answer. And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation 6:1-17) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! (Revelation 8:1-13) And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (Revelation 9:1-21) The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Revelation 11:14-19) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. (Revelation 15:5-8) And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. (Revelation 16:1-21) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (Revelation 19:1-21) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Revelation 20:1-3) Now, read these passages carefully. And then tell me you think the church is going to be able to walk the earth ministering to people and preaching the Gospel. The suffering is going to be truly horrible for everybody then, the death toll enormous--more enormous than it's ever been in the past or ever will be again. Not only will all these judgments kill the vast majority of people, and reduce those who are left to bare survival, there's going to be a price on the head of every person who refuses to accept the mark and worship the Antichrist's image. Going around ministering to people is going to be impossible. The believers are going to be forced into hiding just to survive, and only by the grace of God will any of them even be able to stay alive. Trust me: the Bible does not call this time period "the Tribulation" for nothing! No, as I said, what you said sounds noble, but the truth is, it's God working through us to do these deeds. We're not doing them for God. And when the Church Age ends, our job will be finished. After that, it'll be the turn of 144,000 Jewish men and 2 witnesses who'll be based in Jerusalem to preach the Gospel and minister to the needs of people. God will turn His attention back to the Jews and work through them, as He now works through us. When Christ returns to judge the survivors and start His Kingdom, the "the armies which were in heaven following him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean" will be us! Not angels, but us. Kathy G. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 26 2008, 10:45 PM.
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| Pamelot | Jul 27 2008, 01:09 AM Post #27 |
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Granted, it will be a horrendous time on Earth for unbelievers but I fully believe that it's possible for God's people to walk through it untouched for as long as He keeps us here, and for us to be supernaturally "hidden in plain sight" from those who would be intending us harm, as long as we keep our eyes fixed on Him, just as Jesus was able to pass through an angry crowd unnoticed after they had just dragged him to the top of a hill, intending to throw him off. (Luke 4: 28-30) I don't know how much longer we'll be here; there are convincing arguments for a pre-, mid- and post-trib rapture timing. One of my "things" has always been to try to think through as many options as I can for any situation, and if we're here for any part of the tribulation, it makes sense to me that we'll have some serious work to do - the toughest job we'll ever love. 
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| Lazarusty | Jul 27 2008, 01:10 AM Post #28 |
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Kathy, Do you understand that we are already seated in heavenly realms, because it is in eternity which is outside time? Can you therefore consider the concept that God 's saints can be worshipping around the throne and also on the Earth simultaneously? |
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| Final Call | Jul 27 2008, 04:12 AM Post #29 |
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I am so proud of you all...you are seeing the truth at last. Seek..find..and be willing to die to self and the world. Kathy..I will say this for you..you are a stickler to the end and THAT is why God is going to use you so well. Be ready to be amazed. You want to know what I have been "Hinting" at?...read the last few replies..they sum it up very well..and there is even more to it as well. I am not going to dig out bible verses after all. I was praying about it..asking the Lord how I could possibly do in one or two posts what it took the Lord three years to do with me. The Lord said" Let them find the truth..they will appreciate the surprise I want to bless them with all that much more" And its true. When I finally had all my old mindsets and wrong beliefs corrected I was amazed..for several reasons. One was..Lord...HOW could you still want to use me like this after all my rebellion and sin? The second one was..."Lord..people are going to find this either a bitter pill to swallow..or rejoice in a big way" I used to swallow the "Party line" for over twenty years..faithfully believing whatever THEY said..just because THEY said it the way THEY wanted US to hear it. We are taught from the word go NOT to read the bible with our OWN mind..but with theirs..and all theirs is geared around control..money...deciet..delusion..or power over others. Book after book..seminar after seminar..year after year and decade after decade..the same rubbish CONSTANTLY..spawning all sorts of heresies...just look at the damnable "Emerging church" movement..the BIGGEST load of new age illuminati infiltration I have ever seen...and they are getting BLATANT about it because the likes of BARRY SMITH..are dead...or ignored now. No one is left now to sound the alarm..and the wolves are slaughtering the flocks unhindered. |
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| Final Call | Jul 27 2008, 05:49 AM Post #30 |
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Read Rev chapter 14..it falls IN BETWEEN the trumpets and the vials...read about the TWO HARVESTS...THEN..the vials fall. Read it carefully. Edited by Final Call, Jul 27 2008, 06:02 AM.
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| Final Call | Jul 27 2008, 05:54 AM Post #31 |
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Original post deleted...due to the Lord telling me to remove it. As to why? I already explained it. But to be honest..I was a bit disobedient because I went ahead and posted a whole lot of proof from the word due to a reaction of my flesh. I right reaction..but..not one I am permitted to post at this time or explain other than to re state that the truth is there and its always been there right in front of everyone and if you want to find it..seek with an open heart. I am in no way trying to get out of providing proof of what I have been saying. Its just that the Lord wants to reveal this truth in a personal way and I was reminded I am NOT here to instruct or get into debates or proving points just to be "Right" the Lord Himself will show HIMSELF right..and reveal what HE wants to reveal..then..there will be no more debate. If it comes from me..a mere servant...it wont hold the same weight..or joy at the revelation He wants to give you all. It IS a joyful revelation...and it will be worth the search. So many here already have it..or some of it. It took me three years of breaking and having my mind turned inside out and then remade...but the Lord Himself will do with those who REALLY seek the truth in a moment what took me three years to understand. Edited by Final Call, Jul 27 2008, 06:08 AM.
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| nightbird | Jul 27 2008, 09:18 AM Post #32 |
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As far as I'm concerned this convinces me that you are not hearing from the Holy Spirit; but "a spirit". If you refuse to provide solid scripture to back up your mysterious claims, then you are even denying the guidence of the Lord in His Word to us. Kathy's post which included the scriptures in Revelation and her comments are excellent, and were not really answered. That's because there is no valid answer to contradict the bible's description given to John. In 2004, I was given a vision of what the earth will be like during the tribulation; and as I stood looking out over the devastation; the stench of death from millions of people laying where they died, and decomposing because there was no one to pick them up and bury them; was horrible beyond description, and I was clearly shown I WOULD NOT BE HERE THEN. You never answered the question as to whether you are fellowshipping with any church, or under any pastoral authority; I take this as a "no". There ARE serious, uncompromizing, solid christians out there, and even in the churches where this is a problem; are we to roll over and die, or be a light and a witness to those in darkness? It's easy to spout off these "new revelations", in the safety of your home in front of a computer; but the challenge really comes in facing the darkness, and SHINING LIGHT INTO IT. I was saved in 1978, miraculously delivered from alcoholism the very same day. Quickly delivered from all associations from the Occult and witchcraft, and Baptised in the Holy Spirit two months later. The very first book the Lord moved me to read was Revelations; the day after I was saved. I read it three times in one day, and the Lord began to speak to me that day that He was calling me to be an endtime watchman, and prayer warrior untill He came back. When I was saved; it was in my own house, alone, and my husband and I lived in a house on a dead end road, miles away from anywhere. God reached down and found me, even in the back woods of Vermont! As for the cold, cruel, accusations that we are dupped, and tainted with faulty doctrine infiltrated by Iluminati, the Masons, and so many other demonic organizations; you are making some very serious judgments to those of us who you've never met, and never bothered to really come to know. This does not come from the Spirit of the Lord, for "he makes even the simple wise", and gives knowledge of his ways to anyone, even a child can understand. I've studied a great deal about the Masons, Illuminati, and many other demonic organizations. I knew of them long before I got saved, because I was totally indoctrinated in the occult. For 30 yrs., I've been working on the Lord's side, AGAINST THEM. I teach at the Teen Challenge complex here in my state, and have taught the scriptures in other places the Lord has opened the doors for me. But, the WORD OF GOD DOES NOT CHANGE; AND NEITHER DOES JESUS CHRIST. HE WILL NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORD. The stuff you've said in this post is in total contradiction to the bible. If these revelations you have are from God, He will give you solid scriptural proof, AND HE WILL INSTRUCT YOU TO SHARE IT WITH HIS BODY! 1ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 2ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 2ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 2ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 2ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 2ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 2ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 2ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Ga 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Ga 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Ga 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ga 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. Pr 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Re 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 2co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 1jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Ro 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. On the basis of these scriptures; I would advise that anyone to not listen to anymore from Final Call. His doctrine, and influence does not line up with the bible. |
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| Rahab | Jul 27 2008, 09:39 AM Post #33 |
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Matthew 10 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. |
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| Shershalom | Jul 27 2008, 09:41 AM Post #34 |
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I absolutely agree with Nightbird's post    This morning, the Lord had me reading out of II Timothy - all the very same verses as quoted above. I do believe FinalCall's "mission" (or lack thereof) here at ATN is finished. |
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| Rahab | Jul 27 2008, 09:48 AM Post #35 |
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REVELATION CHAPTER 14 1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. 6 ¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 ¶ And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. |
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| Shershalom | Jul 27 2008, 09:49 AM Post #36 |
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The Scriptures are worth repeating here. |
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| belinda | Jul 27 2008, 10:20 AM Post #37 |
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Amen brethren - but we do need to pray for F.C. or anyone who is led astray. Sometimes we feel or hear things that we believe are from the Lord. So we must stand on scripture. Thank you Jesus for keeping our eyes open .... |
| John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life....... Amen, Come Lord Jesus! | |
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| Rahab | Jul 27 2008, 10:34 AM Post #38 |
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I do NOT see where Final Call has done this. Instead he requested that you search the scriptures yourself instead of being spoon fed. He even told you which scriptures to read. It is true that we are to test the spirits. What amazes me is that for some if the scriptures do not 'tickle ears' they quickly explain them away by saying that does not apply to me or that is not what the Lord meant even though that is exactly what the Lord said. When Final Call says it will be a wonderful and exciting time he is right but that does not mean that there will not be those of us who will suffer and die because of the Word. It simply means that we are just that much closer to being with Him forever. To me that is wonderful and exciting. Jesus did wonderful miracles and many good works. He said that those who follow Him will do the same and more. Because of this Jesus was beaten and crucified on a tree. I ask each of you a question. Are you willing to take up your cross and follow Jesus? Are you willing to lay down your life for Him? |
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| Issachar | Jul 27 2008, 10:56 AM Post #39 |
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I may have missed something but I don’t see that FC said anything contrary to the Bible. |
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| Shershalom | Jul 27 2008, 11:13 AM Post #40 |
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Rahab ~ Yes, we are to each search the Scriptures for ourselves and to each have our relationship with the LORD, however when we come together as believers, each has a word, a teaching, a blessing, a prayer to share. I started "this" - I was seriously asking from FC what he has learned from his studies and the scriptures so I might study those specific scriptures myself. For myself, I am NOT so dogmatic in my doctrine as to not learn something new from another brother or sister in the LORD. All I asked for was a simple timelime and some scriptures. To be chided like little children, and insulted about my (or anyone else's) spiritual journey with the LORD over such a request just doesn't sit real well in my spirit. I cannot imagine for the life of me why a born-again, Spirit filled believer in Jesus would ever deny sharing a Scripture with another. Time is way too short now not to be preaching and teaching the whole truth of the Word of God. Since I've been on this forum (since Spring 2007), I've read FC's posts. Every time ya turn around, he has been giving a final warning. Think we've had 2 or 3 of them already now. This is the final warning. No ... this is the final final warning. Wait! Here it is,.. the one and only final final absolutely final warning --- So enough already! Someone else gave a reminder recently that we are to be careful what we speak, as we are held accountable. That would hold true for Final Call as well as anyone else here. |
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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