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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 10:59 AM Post #41 |
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All these covenants point to the progressive nature of our purification, relationship, and partnership with God. We do not acquire our salvation through any “works” connected with each covenant. Only Yeshua’s death on the cross and our acceptance of His forgiveness, provide for that. To illustrate this literally, recall the Last Supper in the Upper room (John 13:4-14. Yeshua offered the inheritance of His heavenly kingdom to His disciples. By removing their sandals and washing their feet He was giveng them a new inheritance, His own. He was establishing a relationship of purity without manmade barriers, at the same time fulfilling the promise in John 1:12-13: “To them He gave the power to become sons of God … “ Some of the disciples protested at first, but His response was very clear: “If I don’t do this you’ll have no part of me.” Nowadays, many believers think you can get saved and have all the intimacy you’ll ever need by accepting the free gift, with no additional effort on your part. But salvation is only the beginning – it’s only the first step toward establishing the intimacy that God desires. At that moment (or very soon afterwards) God gives to each one of us the choice of increasing the maturity and intimacy of our relationship with Him…….many people miss that…. The Lord will give us a step-by-step increase of His kingdome in our lives if we choose to walk out our faith (Phillipians 2:12)… But we have to consciously make that commitment to move beyond basic salvation and enter into true covenant relationships with Him. When we do, He will give us the strength, the knowledge and the stamina to move continually forward. As we show that we can be faithful with one step, He will show us the next. The final step in the process of restoration is in the hand of the bridegroom alone. Why marriage? Because that is the ultimate fulfillment of all the covenants. God’s goal for us is a marriage relationship with Himself, involving complete intimacy. Marriage is the renewed relationship He desires. Edited by w8n4him, Jul 21 2008, 11:10 AM.
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 11:01 AM Post #42 |
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Just in the little bit I have read of the covenants has helped me to understand things much better........ for example, the verses that tell of Jesus removing the sandals and washing the feet, and his telling the disciples that if they didn't let him, they would have no part of Him. Now, I know I can be really slow at grasping some things, but this is one that was just eluding me, it just made no sense. Now, understanding the sandal covenant, it makes complete sense .... same with the rich man story.......Matthew 19:16-29 This story shows us what yeshua is looking for in someone who aspires to be both a servant and a friend. the young man was obedient to God's commandments, but he found it difficult to enter into Yesua's offer of a deeper relationship. Yeshua basically said, "You are already my servant and my friend; now come and be my son." But the young man wasn't quite ready to trade in his earthly inheritance for an increased share in the Heavenly kingdom. Therefore, his poor decision prevented him from entering into a deeper relatiohship and getting any farther than the freindship (salt) covenant. This does not mean, that the rich young ruler "lost out" on what he had settled with god up to that moment. His salvation\ was never in question. but like many today who are called into deeper relationships, the rich young ruler simply failed to draw closer when the opportunity came. This lines up with my studies of scripture and explains much to me. I never could understand why the implication was that because the young man didn't sell all he had to follow Jesus, why he lost out. Many people accuse christians today........you haven't sold all you have, so you're not following Jesus......... |
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| Deleted User | Jul 21 2008, 11:01 AM Post #43 |
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Kathy, I can sooooo relate to everything that you have said! I have struggled with God's love off and on my whole life and have a difficult time surrendering because of fear of what He might put me through. It's so silly, when you REALLY think about it, because He is so amazingly gentle and loving. One day, a sister in Christ shared her testimony with me and it was a big WOW! She said that she felt the same way. She read about a lady who had beautiful china teacups on her shelves, but they were only for decoration. When her friends came to tea, she served them their tea in everyday mugs. When her friends asked why she never used the beautiful cups, she replied, "Oh, because they might get chipped and broken." When my friend read that story, she asked the Lord why she had such a hard time with surrender to His love and trust in Him. He said, "Because, my dear Child, like the teacups, you are afraid of being broken." Truly, that is the core of our issue. We want to preserve our lives, so we put ourselves on the display shelves, but, in truth, we are afraid of being broken, aren't we? This will take some courage on your part, Kathy, but take ONE step out of the boat, onto the stormy waters (they will calm immediately) and TRUST Him...........just a step. Watch what He does................... |
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 11:02 AM Post #44 |
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Rev. 3:20….Behold , I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me. Most of us believe that verse to be the voice of Yeshua, reaching out to mankind. He’s standing at their’ heart’s door, asking to come in and save them from their sins. That’s true, but it’s not the whole story. Because most of us have no awareness of the ancient Hebrew culture in which the OT and B’rit Hadashah were set, we often miss the true import of a thoroughly familiar, deeply meaningful, yet barely understood metaphor. ………There are some pages that discuss the Hebrew tradition of the marriage process…….from interest/offer to finish…… ….Once the prospective bridegroom made his first official move, he brought his father to the intended bride’s house. They carried a betrothal cup, wine and the anticipated price in a pouch. When they got there, they knocked. The prospective brides’ father would be on the other side of the door, but before he opened, he would peek through a little window, identify the visitors, then look to his daughter to confirm what, in most cases, she had long since settled in her own mind. Should he open the door? If she said hyes, for all practical purposes the commitment to work through the betrothal process and arrive at a fully functioning marriage was made at that moment. Therefore, hers was not a lightly made decision, for the issue was not, “Can we have a wedding?” Once the door was opened the only remaining question was, “We can have a marriage if we can work out the terms … so what will they be?” In other words, opening the door was the first major step toward making a marriage, which is precisely what Yeshua is saying in the verse. You open the door, He comes in, and the restoration process begins. At that point, you have salvation. But beyond that, He is asking you if you will enter into the covenant of betrothal with Him. Will you walk in a loving relationship with your bridegroom? But that’s not the only significant parallel here. The choice is “ours” exactly as the choice was always that of the ancient Hebrew bride. If she refused to open the door the groom would make a u-turn and head for home. And even after the bride opened the door, she could end the whole process at any stage. In fact, once the initial agreement to be married was “darashed out” (ie.e., worked out through intense, animated discussion) and formalized in a written contract, the bride was the onlhy one who could still back out, right up to the very instant of marriage consummation. She could stop the whole process at any moment, and she didn’t even need any special reason ……….. At the same time, once his initial proposal had been made and accepted, the groom was utterly and totally committed. Only by a writ of divorce, on extremely limited grounds, could he ever back out Ok, this is what really hit me.......this completely lines up with my studies that we can walk away from our salvation .......having said that, I DON"t want this to turn into a OSAS thread.....Also, my studies of body of Christ/Bride of Christ.....please just look at what is offered here and take to the Lord each individually..... You are inived to compare the above to the betrothal covenant between ourselves and Yeshua. Opening the door is the same as accepting Him as our redeemer and formig a lasting relationship. It's the first step in the process. On the other hand, we can accept eternal salvation and even avail ourselves of all the benefits of a servant covenant with Him, including heaven itself, without ever moving beyond that to betrothal. In fact, if we decide to go a little further than simply opening the door, we might een be able to establish and maintain the servant covenant, then the friendship covenant, and perhaps even the inheritance covenant without ever moving beyond that last point., Becoming the actual bride of Yeshua requires a committed, intimate relationship with Him that goes well beyond all the preliminaries. How many of us are willing to separate or distance ourselves from those things that are not created, designed by, or pleasing to God? Even so, if we do desire to take the betrothal step, we can still back out at any time, and many of us do. Yet the invitation to be part of the bride is always there, except for those times when we give back the free gift of salvation. II timothy 2:11-13 (NIV). |
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 11:04 AM Post #45 |
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The four cups of wine Think once again in terms of the four types of covenant. Remember, they are progressive in nature, meaning that you must enter into the first three covenants - in order -- before you can enter into number four. Remember also the names and the implications of each one, for you're about to see how the servan, friendship and inheritance covenants are woven into covenant number 4. Each one helps to establish, to support and to reinforce the ancient Hebrew betrothal contact, In turn, the progression of commitments about to take place during the betrothal process, beginning on the evening when the groom comes and knocks, mirrors the sequence of commitments in the 4 covenants. In his capacity as the Ultimate Master of Symbolism, God established 4 cups of wine as milestones, or"markers", to signify exactly where the betrothal parties were in their negotiations. Each cup corresponded to a covenant, but it also represented something that all the participants had to physically grasp, to physically consume and make part of themselves. It goes without saying that each person would also have to participate mentally and spiritually at each step of the way, or the process would break down. Now, refer back to the reference to "sup with him" from Rev. 3:20, for it has to do with what traditionally happened next. Once the prospective groom and his father were inside the prospective brides home, as they worked out all the details of the wedding they would eat dinner toether with the prospective bride's family,. In this instance, the visiting father and son represented their entire family. Members of the two families would also drink 3 of the 4 betrothal cups of wine, one cup each at certain well-established points throughtout the negotiating process. Cup number 1. The first cup was the cup of Sanctification (Barry and Steffi Rubin, The Messianic Passover Haggadah - Baltimore: Messianic Jewish Publishers, 1989, page 7) which equated to a servant (blood) covenant between the two families. this cup was consumed almost as soon as the door closed. the groom, his father, and every member of the bride's family above the age of accountability participated, for each member of each family was agreeing to serve the other family. Sancitifcation embodies the idea of setting ourselves apart for God. Just as God sanctified the Nation of Israelo, these two families were doing the same with respect to each other. In effect they were making a sacred commitment to become one giant family, each person to unilaterally serve all the new members. that's partyly why the support structure underlying ancient Jewish marriages was so strong. Cup number 2. The second cup was the Cup of Betrothal, Cup of Plagues (Ibid.) Cup of Bargaining, or the Cup of Dedication (Marvin R. Wilson, Our Father Abraham), which presented a salt covenant between the families. This cup was consumed by the bride and groom and their two fathers only. The two families, represented here by the fathers, were covenanting to become eternal friends with their joint son and daughter, and with each other. As they ate, the members of both families haggled over the details of the marriage contract. theis is ufually where the negotiations would break down if they were ever going to. But if they managed to surmount all the difficulties, the families entered into a friendshp covenant even as they established the terms of the upcoming marriage. In similar fashion, we are admonished to "work out your slavation with fear and trembling" Philippians 2:12) when we accept the Lord's offer of servanthood, which then matures into friendship. The issues the familes established were straightforward and direct, just as the ancient Hebrews themselves were. How much would the groom's family contribute to the wedding feast? Were would they hold it? What skills would the bride need to acquire to become a Proverbs 31 wife? What possessions would she bring with her? Did she fully understand her responsibility to remain pure? The bride's family would also want to know how the groom intended to supprt her. Just as it was the bride's primary responsibility purify and prepare herself, the groom's chief responsibility was to go away and prepare a place for her to live. Many times her new quarters would be no more than a room, built on the side of his father's house. This would hardly equal what Yeshua promises us in John 14:2, yet the whole process certainly corresponds to the reference in that verse. Ok, a little side note here…there is no advocation of “works” or any doctrine thereof. They are simply pointing out how the sacred betrothal system works, a system set up by God himself to reclaim the bride who divorced Him back in the Garden of Eden. (I thought it was the nation of Israel)…….to review that system in the light of what is talked about so far, salvation occurs when you open the door of your heart and ask the Savior to come in. the first reciprocal commitment you can make occurs when you drink the first two cups of wine. But you don’t have to drink ANY cups, or perform ANY works to be saved. Cup number 3. The third cup was the Cup of Redemption. (Wilson). Or the Cup of Inheritance. Which represented a sandal covenant and signified the shared inheritance of the marriage partners. This cup was drunk at the end of the meal, by the bride and groom only, to symbolize their exclusive commitment to each other, along with their increasing level of intimacy. It also officially “sealed” the marriage agreement between them. Once the bargaining was over, the families brought in a scribe who wrote out all the terms of the marriage covenant in a formal agreement, called a ketubah. At that point the young men of the family would hit the streets and blow their rams horn trumpets (shofars), announcing to all the world that the marriage contract had been signed. For all intents and purposes the bride and groom were now officially married, even though neither the ceremony nor the consummation had yet occurred. Nevertheless, from that moment onward, if either one died, the survivor would fully inheret the deceased partner’s possessions,. The third cup also corresponded to the cup yeshua shared with His disciples during the Passover feast, or the Last supper, when he washed their feet and thus transferred His inheritance to them (sandal covenant). He also made further reference to His coming marriage to His kalah, His “called out ones,” knowing that it was customary for the groonm not to drink wine again until the wedding ceremony. That explains why He said he would not touch the fruit of the vine again until He could do so with them in the Kingdome of Heaven. He even maintained his vow as He hung on the cross when He refused the pain numbing wine that the Roman soldiers offered. Cup number 4. The fourth cup of wine was the Cup of Praise (Rubin). Shared between the bride and groom only during the wedding ceremony itself. This fourth cup also awaits all those who are chosen to be the bride by Yeshua. It will be taken on the wedding day and will forever seal Yeshua’s union with His beloved. We become eligible for the fourth covenant only after we’ve met all the previous requirements by entering into the first three. The decisions to do so are ours alone. However, Yeshua chooses His own bride, to whom He promised the crown of life in Revelation 2:10. What is a ketubah? Ketubah is the Hebrew word for marriage contract. As talked about above, the terms of the contract were worked out between the two families during the meal they shared together. When both sides were satisfied they brought in a scribe or a rabbi to write the actual document itself, which had five parts. 1) First came a combined family history of the bride and groom, which included detailed family trees and anecdotes. 2) Second came a personal and family history of the bride, with a detailed family tree and anecdotes. 3) Third came a personal and family history of the groom, also with a family tree and anecdotes. 4) Fourth came the story of how the bride and groom met, with related anecdotes. 5) Fifth came a final section detailing both the bride’s and the groom’s responsibilities before an d after the wedding. Look at the significant parallels to the marriage contract itself, one from the beginning of scripture and one from the very end. The first five books of the Bible correspond to the five parts of the ancient Hebrew ketubah. 1) Genesis provides the combined family history of the bride and groom. 2) Exodus gives the personal and family history of the bride. 3) Leviticus provides the history of God’s family, the Levites. 4) Numbers tells of god’s love affair with His people in the wilderness and records His joys and sorrows as He reaches out to His bride. 5) Deuteronomy specifies the responsibilities that both bride and groom must fulfill. What is this saying? That the first five books of the Bible are written as a marriage contract between God and His people. This is not analogy….It this is what it is. I go to prepare……… By the time the happy couple had drunk the third cup of wine, only three more “milestones” remaind. 1) First, the groom had to pay the bride price (which he’d brought with him), equaling 30 pieces of silver in Yeshua’s time. It was 100% refundable if the bride turned out be impure. This specific amount was also the price of a male bondservant (Exodus 21:32) and came to symbolize the redemption price of a bride (Lev. 27:4). 2) Second, the groom now had the sole responsibility to go and prepare a home. … In this enterprise the groom was under the ironclad rule of his father, who was the only person empowered to judge when the groom’s bridal preparation (as per the ketubah ) were sufficient and complete. 3) Third, the groom finalized his preparations he would let the word slip out that the wedding day was near…………. The groom could come anytime between 6 and midnight, on the second throught the 4th day of the week. When he did so he had to see his brid’es welcoming light in her window. If she let it burn out he would take it that as a sign that she had either changed her mind or simply didn’t care anymore, and he would turn away and leave her in darkness. |
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 11:05 AM Post #46 |
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After the ceremony itself came the moment of yachid, or physical unity. The parent s of the bride would invite the guests to enjoy the feast. The music would swell, the dancing would begin and the wine would flow for the first of seven days. Meanwhile the bride and groom would slip away to a private room, set apart from the noise and provided especially for them. Soon their marriage would be complete in every sense. On the other hand, if the groom discovered that his bride was not a virgin, or worse pregnant, the whole situation would immediately change. Within the ancient Hebrew culture, the groom had four choices: 1) He could let her pay the price for her unfaithfulness, which was death. 2) He could quietly give her a writ of divorce and walk away, which is what Joseph started to do with Mary before the angel intervened. But this approach was risky for her; later on, if other witnesses came forward to accuse her of adultery, the law would still require her to pay the death penalty (matthew 1:19). 3) He could pretend the child was his. If he discovered the truth before the wedding, he could forfeit the ceremony and simply begin living with his new wife, who was already married to him anyway from a legal point of view. This is essentially what Joseph did with Mary 4) He could choose to be her goel (redeemer) and take her punishment upon himself. In the case of sexual impurity, he would pay her fee … death. The groom could also redeem his bride \for violating Torah in other ways as well, whatever her violations might involoved including monetary debts of all kinds. The biggest drawback I n this approach was that the groom could never again refuse to pay for any “required redemption” as long as they stayed married. He’d established a potentially harsh precedent; once he’d redeemed her even one time he had to pay the same price every time she violated torah after that, as long as she was his wife. What does this all mean? This is the introduction of the fundamental concepts that underlie B’rit Hadassah and the book of Revelation. This will aid in understanding Revelation as never before. Right now themessage is still quite simple. Eachof us has both the obligation and the privilege of choosing the relationship we will have with God. We can be His servant, his friend, His son, or his daughter. Beyond that, we can purify ourselves, accept each of the covenants He offers and accept the ultimate union. We can be part of His bride. But becoming part of the bride doesn’t happen automatically. This is probably the most important point of this whole chapter. Many assume that salvation alone is all they need to become “one with Christ,” now and forever united with Him as His Chosen One, His bride dressed in white. It isn’t that simple. Salvation equals … salvation! Nothing less, but also nothing more. Salvation / covenant / betrothal is not a three-for-one sale. Salvation means you can come to the wedding, which is quite an invitation all by itself, but you can’t be a guest and a bride at the same time. To put it another way, you pay as you go……..but oh, what a journey! |
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 11:08 AM Post #47 |
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ok.....that's it. I find this particular paragraph mind-blowing !! The first five books of the Bible correspond to the five parts of the ancient Hebrew ketubah. 1) Genesis provides the combined family history of the bride and groom. 2) Exodus gives the personal and family history of the bride. 3) Leviticus provides the history of God’s family, the Levites. 4) Numbers tells of god’s love affair with His people in the wilderness and records His joys and sorrows as He reaches out to His bride. 5) Deuteronomy specifies the responsibilities that both bride and groom must fulfill. What is this saying? That the first five books of the Bible are written as a marriage contract between God and His people. This is not analogy….It this is what it is. |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 21 2008, 11:34 AM Post #48 |
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That's sanctification. That's the process of growing spiritually. Regeneration, on the other hand, is the act of being born again, having your spirit made new. Reborn. You're working with God to grow spiritually, so you're going through the sanctification process. That's a process for your soul, not your spirit. I don't know when you were born again, but the minute that happened, you were regenerated. Salvation is a package deal, and consists of three parts: regeneration (which happens when you're born again), sanctification (the process of growing spiritually and becoming more like Christ), and glorification (the moment when you receive your new glorified resurrection body). Some do better with the sanctification part than others do, but virtually all who become Christ's are regenerated and will be glorified. Regeneration and glorification both happen in an instant, but sanctification is a lifelong process which doesn't end until we're made free of our mortal bodies and sin natures in death or the Rapture. That's why I need my soul to be reprogrammed--so I can do a better job at cooperating with God in my sanctification. I've already been redeemed; my spirit has already been regenerated. One day, in the near future, my body and soul will be glorified. But at present, my soul needs to be sanctified, or made like Christ's. To that end, it needs to be reprogrammed to see God differently from the way it does now. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 21 2008, 12:20 PM.
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 12:45 PM Post #49 |
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I would label your response as mere semantics....... By asking for your soul to be "reprogrammed" to me seems to be asking for an easy way out. You must *want* this, and be willing to give what it takes - what the Lord asks of you, pick up your cross and carry it, before the Lord can refine, er , reprogram your soul. Blessings ~ Edited by w8n4him, Jul 21 2008, 12:47 PM.
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| kgreen20 | Jul 21 2008, 12:47 PM Post #50 |
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Semantics--words that have meaning. Specific meanings, to be exact. And the meanings I attached to the words in my response above are the words and meanings I learned from other Christians. Your spirit cannot be any more regenerated than it already is, and neither can mine. Our souls, on the other hand, never cease to need work done on them. As long as we live, we have to keep growing spiritually, becoming more and more like Christ. More and more sanctified, in other words. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 21 2008, 12:50 PM.
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| w8n4him | Jul 21 2008, 01:00 PM Post #51 |
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guess you'll have to figure this out on your own then. |
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| roadtozion | Jul 21 2008, 01:11 PM Post #52 |
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There is only ONE foundation. Jesus. He is the TRUTH that truly sets you free. Those who will suffer from strong delusion sent by God will suffer it because they did not love the TRUTH - Jesus - more than ANYTHING. As one who has lost much, but gained more, I can tell you that it is not easy, but it is the only way. Jesus said "In this world you WILL have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." He told us that we would be treated like he was - and look what happened to Him. As Job said "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." Truth can be painful. It can rip apart families, demolish churches and cause you to question things you have always believed to be true. But it will also set you feee - truly free. If - just supposing - you don't get raptured before the tribulation, will you still love Him? If He decides that all you have must go, will you still love Him? God already knows how deep your faith and trust goes. He does not allow tribulation to show HIM what we will do, but to show US! If you are His - Jesus authored your faith - and is the perfector of it. Not you, HIM!! Te truth is, you are LOVED!! And that Love will NEVER let you go. Even if you are not 'perfect'. My dear Pastor says that you do not become stronger as you grow - you become weaker. Your dependance on HIM grows more. Your dependance on yourself grows less. And finally you realize that you can do NOTHING apart from Him - just as Jesus said. His favorite phrase is "Jesus has gone before us to prepare the way." Jesus asks NOTHING of you that He has not alreay done. HE sacrificed ALL for us. In Him, by HIS strength, we can do ALL THINGS. "He who endures to the end shall be saved." We do not stand - and endure - by our strength, but by HIS. And no, a TV show isn't what you need. |
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Take heed that no man deceive you. That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: | |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 21 2008, 01:29 PM Post #53 |
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Let's keep the pre-Trib/post-Trib debate out of this thread, please. OK? I've debated that subject on other threads, but I much prefer to keep it out of this one. Nor do I want to debate the difference between regeneration and sanctification. If you want to debate whether that difference exists, let's open another thread for that subject. I want to keep this thread on the subject I started it on. 
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| SpiritIsWilling | Jul 21 2008, 03:05 PM Post #54 |
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Ephesians 3:16-19 14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord's people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. 
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| Shershalom | Jul 21 2008, 05:11 PM Post #55 |
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 Love that portion. Definitely an excellent Scripture to memorize! 
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SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39 | |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 21 2008, 05:24 PM Post #56 |
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I would love to personally grasp of that, in my heart. Head knowledge is one thing; heart knowledge is another. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 21 2008, 05:25 PM.
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| SpiritIsWilling | Jul 21 2008, 06:47 PM Post #57 |
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I know what you mean Kathy. Say it over and over to yourself until you get it in your heart and soul. Ask the Lord to make that passage real to you. I will keep praying... :pray: |
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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| kgreen20 | Jul 21 2008, 11:50 PM Post #58 |
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Thanks. I've just copied that passage onto an index card for future reference. |
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| roadtozion | Jul 24 2008, 02:24 PM Post #59 |
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I said "If - just supposing - you don't get raptured before the tribulation, will you still love Him?" for a reason - because I KNOW you believe that. And you KNOW many don't. So, what if you are wrong?? My question could have been on ANY doctrine, actually. I have been forced, by the Holy Spirit, to abandon quite a few things I used to believe, over the course of this journey. I will undoubtedly find myself doing so again. Example - baptism. I used to believe that being baptised in water was an absolute necessity. Now, I see water baptism as an outward sign or ceremony that shows an inward commitment - much like the wedding ceremony. True 'baptism' is what John said Jesus would bring - baptism with the Holy Spirit and with fire. The essential 'baptizo' is immersion - being covered and submerged - in Jesus, not in water. My point is, which is more important, holding to a doctrine, or getting to the TRUTH? Is what you (or I) want to believe more important than the TRUTH? Can God truly bless us if we are holding on to a lie??? If your child holds to a thing you know to be wrong, you know the stress this places on a relationship, and the distance it can cause. So, my question was on topic. |
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| MoreofHim | Jul 24 2008, 02:46 PM Post #60 |
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Love your words RoadtoZion. Amen, that the Spirit dwells in you. |
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