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| Coming Judgment; Judgment on the USA | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 11 2008, 04:34 PM (27,282 Views) | |
| j-Z | Jul 18 2008, 01:38 PM Post #181 |
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all - don't forget to take this warning with a grain of salt. as keith said, he isn't God and we can't interpret this as if it was written by God. God has already spoken and unfortunately for us, the rest of us are just adding to the conversation about God. cheers, j-Z |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 18 2008, 01:51 PM Post #182 |
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Thanks for all your responses, I don't believe this is at all off-topic. It is right on topic if you take the prophecy at it's word. The truth is it made me cry yesterday and my spirit felt heavy for hours because of it, and I was not sure I wanted to come back here to fill back up with the sadness it gives me. It made me think about it from the Lord's standpoint; He must really be grieving with me. Let me tell you guys, I need your prayers on something. The topic of the tribulation and the rapture. If I am to be in the largest catastrophe ever, then I kind of need the Lord to show me what will happen to me and my family. Will we all be swept away, will we be raptured before it comes to that? I need you guys to pray that the Lord sends me special discernment on this issue. I have had dreams where I die and am instantly in the air with the Lord, so I know it will feel the same as if I were raptured, so I'm not scared, but it would really be a blessing if it were all of us, that we wouldn't be left to morn over lost loved ones, that would be a nightmare I know I couldn't bare. So please pray that the Lord gives me peace about this. Also, this shows us how one word given can affect so many lives, that we need to be sure what we hear is 100% true because we all take it seriously. Kathy, I am glad that Californians have been given their vote back, but I'm afraid that many Christians have stopped voting, so this could be a devastating vote. Our voice needs to be heard, or else the consequences could be severe. ~7Seven |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 18 2008, 01:51 PM Post #183 |
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Amen, Belinda!  I agree, 7SevenThunders7, that the Christians will have to vote, or the court's decision will be for nothing. BTW, while I am 100% convinced that we will be spared the Tribulation (that is for Jews and for people who have rejected Christ, not for the Church--we have God's promise on that), that's not to say we won't have trials and tribuations before we're caught up. Many people are now, in fact. But that is a very different scenario from an act of God's wrath, a catastrophic judgment such as is being predicted for California. Let us pray, you and I, that God will evacuate His Church first. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 18 2008, 01:56 PM.
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“God is right here, right now, ready to trade your burden for peace. Not just a little peace, but because of His amazing grace, complete peace. If you want your family to trust you, you’ve got to show them whom you trust.”—Tess on “Touched by an Angel” | |
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| w8n4him | Jul 18 2008, 01:55 PM Post #184 |
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God's wrath does not occur until the angels pour out the 7 vials. Revelations 16. Edited by w8n4him, Jul 18 2008, 01:56 PM.
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Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. | |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 18 2008, 01:57 PM Post #185 |
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On the contrary--God's wrath begins with the opening of the 1st seal. The 7 bowl judgments finish His wrath. They don't begin it. I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed. (Revelation 15:1, NIV) THEN I saw another wonder (sign, token, symbol) in heaven, great and marvelous [warning of events of ominous significance]: There were seven angels bringing seven plagues (afflictions, calamities), which are the last, for with them God's wrath (indignation) is completely expressed [reaches its climax and is ended]. (same verse, Amplified Bible) 1And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and wonderful, seven messengers having the seven last plagues, because in these was completed the wrath of God, (Young's Literal Translation) Edited by kgreen20, Jul 18 2008, 02:03 PM.
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“God is right here, right now, ready to trade your burden for peace. Not just a little peace, but because of His amazing grace, complete peace. If you want your family to trust you, you’ve got to show them whom you trust.”—Tess on “Touched by an Angel” | |
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| Israeli | Jul 18 2008, 02:04 PM Post #186 |
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Not God's wrath. The wrath of the Lamb is designated in the sixth seal: Rev. 6:16. But God's wrath begins not ends with the first bowl: Rev. 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven another great and marvelous: seven angelshaving the seven last plagues, for in them God's wrath is completed. (Revelation 15:1, NKJ) Edited by Israeli, Jul 18 2008, 02:09 PM.
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| kgreen20 | Jul 18 2008, 02:12 PM Post #187 |
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Yes, God's wrath. Read the verses I posted above. God's wrath is completed--finished--in the bowl judgments, not started by them. And even if God's wrath did begin and end with the bowl judgments, they're going to take some time to complete. How much time, I don't know--weeks? Months? That remains to be seen. I do know, however, that they can't be compressed into the last few days or hours of the Tribulation. So even if God waited till just before the bowl judgments to Rapture His Church, He would be doing so weeks or months before Jesus came back. Not immediately before. Not when the Tribulation was finished or all but finished. So there would still be a gap of time--possibly a considerable gap--between the time He came to get us and the time He came back with us. And according to the post-Trib scenario, Jesus is going to wait till the last minute to Rapture His Church. According to the post-Tribbers, we'lll be caught up; we'll meet Him in the air; then we'll come right back down with Him again. Instead of going with Him to Heaven, we'll be making an immediate U-turn back to earth. As a result, there will be no mortal believers to repopulate the earth--all believers will have immortal resurrection bodies. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 18 2008, 02:21 PM.
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“God is right here, right now, ready to trade your burden for peace. Not just a little peace, but because of His amazing grace, complete peace. If you want your family to trust you, you’ve got to show them whom you trust.”—Tess on “Touched by an Angel” | |
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| j-Z | Jul 18 2008, 02:17 PM Post #188 |
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7seven - you aren't in control of how anything goes down so you can either grasp onto something you want to happen or let go and trust God to "handle" it. letting go is our only way to peace. let this topic go, let God do it how He's going to do it anyway. stop trying to rationalize what God is going to do to someone in some part of the world. we can't figure God out that easily. if we claim we have - we deceive ourselves. remember what God told Moses on the mountain? no one can see my face and live. i will cover you with my hand and you can see my back as i pass by. the most we can handle is to see where He...just was. peaceout |
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| j-Z | Jul 18 2008, 02:27 PM Post #189 |
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ps - i don't want to offend anyone - feel free to take my comments with a grain of salt also..cheers |
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| w8n4him | Jul 18 2008, 02:53 PM Post #190 |
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ahhhhhhhhh yes. Then there's the problem of translations....oy vey. Here's a link to a website of someone I have been following for years, I respect him very much. If you scroll through, he has very nice charts laid out for easier understanding. http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/biblestudies/BibleStudy_SealTrumpetBowl.htm |
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Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. | |
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| teamldr7 | Jul 18 2008, 02:55 PM Post #191 |
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I have deliberately tried to stay out of the disagreements the message I posted has caused. Other than with those who have emailed me and asked for more, I have tried to be quiet (and all of those who receive those postings are allowed to opt out at any point by telling me). I have shared many times that all of what I have shared here is only a small percentage of what I have received. I want to bring peace to all of you with what I am going to say. The Lord does indeed have a plan that will help to alleviate many of your cares and concerns. He is in control! You ask what is that plan. It is contained in Revelations chapter 10. The seven thunders uttered their voices and before John could record that, it was sealed up. There is a whole segment on what He is planning to do that has never been divulged until now. There have been a few people who have accurately shared what is going to happen. The problem is that for some of them, they gave dates that failed to happen. We took what was a mistake on their parts (the dates) and threw away a perfectly good message. It is like throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water. I have tried to not make the same mistake. I have also been honest enough to share my lack of complete understanding in reference to God's timing. I have given you my impressions when I didn't have all of the answers in an effort to try to answer some questions or points. It has never been easy receiving words like this from the Lord and I have kept silent for years when everyone else had something to say. It wasn't until a week ago that the Lord said the time of silence was over and it is the time to share some of what He had given me. It would be very nice if all of us were supernaturally protected from all of these judgments and not a hair of our heads was damaged. There is certainly precedent for that. Who can forget Daniel in the lions den or the 3 Hebrew youths in the fiery furnace? But than I can't forget the Christians who really loved the Lord (like maybe some of the people in California do) and who died in the 2004 Tsunami or in the 9-11 attacks or in the earthquakes in Burma or China or even those who die every day (holding onto the same promises we hold onto). Above all, God is just and merciful or else none of us would be here. I do not wish judgment on us but we need it. The evil we have allowed to happen has become a stench reaching even unto our Lord. What is going to happen is a righteous judgment from God. Remember we live in a world that we have allowed Satan to control. None of us have yet to die for our faith like they have to do in China etc. We are allowed the luxury of sitting in our houses and participating in chat forums like this, while our brothers and sisters in far off lands are martyred for their faith. Is God just for allowing them to die for their faith? We are not on a level playing field - the enemy has too much freedom in all of what he does. But here is the good news. God is going to level the playing field and send us power that none of you can fathom. He is going to send it forth in 7 teams of people (not the 144,000) who will be immortal (to borrow an expression from my brother, Final Call) in some respects. He is going to tip the balance of power here and that thought alone scares our enemy. His time in control is coming to an end. We just have to trust God - we really have no choice. We can either live in fear or trust that He knows what He is doing - our choice. I choose to trust God! Maybe over time, more of His plan will be shared. Keith genesis6.8.9@gmail.com |
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| j-Z | Jul 18 2008, 03:03 PM Post #192 |
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well said |
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| w8n4him | Jul 18 2008, 03:06 PM Post #193 |
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amen! |
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Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. | |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 18 2008, 03:06 PM Post #194 |
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Immortal? And you are the sixth immortal team leader, correct? It will make a good book, like Left Behind. And to think I actually cried over this word yesterday. I'm sorry, this is one of those prophecies that doesn't sit well with my spirit and I'm not afraid to say so here and now. No offense Team Leader 6. I sincerely thank you for your reply, I feel much better, wheeeew! ~7Seven |
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| teamldr7 | Jul 18 2008, 03:15 PM Post #195 |
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I used the word immortal (borrowed from an earlier post) to make a point. I never said I was immortal - go back and read the post to understand the context. If you have no fear of the enemy or didn't have to fear his wrath (the Lord's protection) and were full of the Holy Spirit, then you would be immortal (divinely protected by God). Before you jump to conclusions, understand the context (earlier postings). Keith |
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| nightbird | Jul 18 2008, 03:20 PM Post #196 |
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"We are not on a level playing field - the enemy has too much freedom in all of what he does. But here is the good news. God is going to level the playing field and send us power that none of you can fathom. He is going to send it forth in 7 teams of people (not the 144,000) who will be immortal (to borrow an expression from my brother, Final Call) in some respects. He is going to tip the balance of power here and that thought alone scares our enemy. His time in control is coming to an end."(quote) I would need to see some solid scriptural backup for this statement. I've searched the scriptures; and found nothing. |
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| 7SevenThunders7 | Jul 18 2008, 03:37 PM Post #197 |
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Poor choice of words then? Sorry Brother, I didn't mean to offend you, but I did read the word immortal correctly and I know it's meaning, and it doesn't mean "protected by God," it means.....
I did not jump to any conclusion that you did not lead me to with your poor choice of wording. I have my own discernment given to me to help me know the truth and I use it according to my free will. When I talk to a stranger, who for all I know could be completely delusional, I don't take any chances. I have met some Christians online with serious delusions of grandeur, not that I said you're one of them. But you must remember, I don't know you at all. I will always test the spirits. Even if the Lord gives you certain gifts, it in no way makes you immortal, if He protects you, it makes you protected, not another God. I apologize for my difficulty understanding you, and if I came across as disrespectful. You just came out with that information about the immortality of the team leaders and I wondered what other strange things you would say next, which lead me to discount you at that point. Once again, I apologize, I didn't mean to insult one with such powers. Ooops, I apologize for my insolence. Arrrgh! Please don't strike me down with your staff! Uggg! Sorry! lol! I'm just joking! ~7Seven |
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| w8n4him | Jul 18 2008, 03:43 PM Post #198 |
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I understood/understand what he meant. |
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Isaiah 57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. | |
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| Rahab | Jul 18 2008, 03:59 PM Post #199 |
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None of us are promised tomorrow. NO not one of us, not me and not you. We only have today, this second. We are not to worry about what may or may not happen in the future. We are to trust God completely. It is all in His hands. Jesus said Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof. Sure as humans we are a curious breed and want to know what the future holds for us but in reality it does not matter as long as we keep our trust in our heavenly Father and His precious Son, Jesus Christ. |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Jul 18 2008, 04:04 PM Post #200 |
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7Seven, I think a time will come when the supernatural begins to happen. I have listened to Keith and I definitely have questions and have asked for confirmation, but there will be a time that if we were to get a warning about a coming event that coincides with Revelation that the message will seem illogical to physical reasoning. I think the sign of this will be obvious. If Keith returns with a group that can't be killed, then we will know. Let's watch and see. God bless, Dave |
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