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| teamldr7 | Jul 11 2008, 04:34 PM Post #1 |
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This morning, Wednesday, July 9, 2008, the Lord woke me up early out of a sound sleep. He began to share in great depth, the coming judgment that He is bringing on the United States and the world. Most of what I am going to share here is centered on the United States, but the whole world will be affected by these judgments. I write this with a heavy heart because the judgments are severe - but are equal to the depth of the sin we have indulged ourselves in, not only in this country, but around the world. Less than a year ago, the Lord spoke to my heart and said that the time of mercy was over and it was now the time of judgment. He said to no longer pray for mercy, but for judgment. I was hoping I heard wrong. I began to pray for judgment, but for this judgment to be tempered by His infinite mercy. I have always believed that if we as a country would turn from our evil deeds and our false gods and repent on our faces before Him, that He in turn would hold back the judgment (at least for awhile). I have been deeply saddened by the great deception that has seemingly overtaken the “Church”. The “Church” can no longer tell what is God and what isn’t. Just because someone prays in the name of Jesus or says that Jesus is in charge of the meeting, doesn’t mean that what is going on is always according to the Father’s will. I read in Matthew 7:21 – 23 and in Matthew 25: 31 - 46 that many will stand before the Lord in the time of judgment and claim to be Christians. They will believe that just because they used the name of Jesus that all of what they did was according to the Father’s will. It says that in the last days that even the devil will perform miracles and healings so as to try to deceive the very elect if possible. As the Lord shared how He saw the Church (universal), He made a point of sharing how “boiling mad” He is towards the great deceptions that are being attributed to the Holy Spirit and in the name of Jesus. He made it clear that the Holy Spirit never comes upon a person and causes them to bark like dogs, cackle like chickens or shake their heads so violently, that you can’t understand what they are saying etc. We then add to the sin, by blaspheming the Holy Spirit, by attributing all of this to the precious Holy Spirit. I am referring specifically to the “mess” that is happening not only in Lakeland, Florida but now throughout the world. Where is your discernment “Church”? I am aware that there is a Bride that is beautiful and seemingly without sin but that Bride is small in numbers. The true Bride or Church is currently on their faces before the Lord crying out in repentance and yearning deep in their hearts for more holiness in their lives. They yearn for greater discernment and they cry daily to the Lord to have mercy on the brethren that stand in deception. More can be said on this point, but in an effort to be brief, I will begin to list the specific future judgments that the Lord said He is bringing on this country. I have heard some of this from the Lord over the last 5 – 6 years, but this is the first time He has woken me from sleep, to spend an hour listing very specifically what He is planning to do. To top it off, He then ordered me to put it all down on paper and send it to those that I know cry out to the Lord for more of Him and more holiness in their lives. So here it is – in an effort to be brief, I will not go into a lot of detail, but will simply outline the time table and I am willing to give additional information if needed. I did not take notes but spent the hour listening to all of what He said. I went in prayer later on and He repeated it all again, so that it would be fresh enough so I can get it all down on paper. If there are any mistakes, they are mine and I apologize ahead of time. The amount of detail was enormous and it is very hard to memorize all of it. One of the first points He made was that time as we know it is over. The time of judgment is over and it is now the time for the “manifestations of the judgments”. He said that a fuse has been lit and in a matter of days, the fuse will be done and there will be an explosion signifying the end of the burning of the fuse. (Editor’s note: I had a distinct impression that it could be a literal 3 earth days before the fuse would burn out or the days might be representative of a longer time period – I have always had a hard time understanding His timing in this regard). The Lord has prepared 7 specific groups of people that are going to be “released” to work during this time. They will be anointed with the Spirit of God and will see the Lord as He really is. They will do only what the Father says to do and will seek no credit for themselves – all of the glory belongs to God. They will stand as lights in the midst of great darkness and will be bold before everyone. This is the time period they have been prepared for – they have waited with a deep yearning in their hearts to serve the Lord and wondered why they have been kept in seemingly isolation type conditions. They will come forth in the name of the Lord, with the full power of the Holy Spirit, and as soldiers with the Lord Jesus as their king. There are going to be 5 of these groups stationed throughout the United States – with a total of 100 – 125 men and women as parts of these groups. The tribulation has already begun (not today, but sometime in the recent past). One of the first manifestations that the people in the United States will have that something is wrong, will be death and destruction on a scale that they have never seen before. He said that there are terrorist cells already in place, in each state in the country. They are predominately men, but there are some women in the groups. They are specifically isolated from each other, so that if one cell group is caught, then they will not be able to identify any other groups or cells. There weapons will be bombs of all types, rockets (RPG’s), all forms of automatic weapons and plagues (pestilence)/viruses etc. They have practiced simulations and are completely prepared to begin at any moment. Let me be clear – they are being used by God to bring judgment on this country (for Scriptural backing on that point, simply open up the Bible and look at the Old Testament and look for the many hundreds of verses where the Lord sent invading armies against Israel to bring judgment from Him – this was always done because of the great sin of the people – see Deut. 28 - 30). These terrorist cells have targeted specific locations: federal government buildings, state or county government buildings, police headquarters, fire stations, sporting events (which will end very quickly after all of this begins), large malls (the Mall of America as one specific example) and large places of worship etc. They have all of this planned out and are simply in the waiting mode. They are also willing to sacrifice their lives if needed. All of this will begin when the fuse burns out. They are willing to use the viruses (plagues) at their disposal and they have gas masks etc. to protect themselves. All of this has been greatly planned out and none of this is a surprise to God. This will cause great panic and our hospitals and emergency personnel will be overwhelmed. All of the federal and local law enforcement agencies will try to stop this but they won’t be able to. The viruses will cause great death and destruction starting specifically among the unsuspecting emergency and hospital personnel - who will try to help the first sets of patients, without the knowledge that this is a deadly plague they are fighting. When these people die, than our ability to treat large groups of sick people will be severely hampered (and this is just the beginning of the manifestations of judgment). For a period of 30 days or calendar month (again, I am not sure if this is a specific time or representative of something else like a longer time period – I am inclined to think it is a very short period of time like approximately 30 days – not 30 days of days etc.) the terrorists will be given free reign to cause death and destruction. This is judgment, but is only the beginning. The five teams in the USA will be actively working during this time period as lights in the midst of darkness. They have the ability to heal the sick, raise the dead, walk on water (if needed) etc. and will do whatever the Father says to do. If the people repent of their wickedness and turn to the Lord, then the Lord can reveal specific future attacks and they can be prevented. I am sad to say that the Lord says that the people will for the most part harden their hearts and judgment will continue on. I clearly heard the Lord say that prior to the first attack, in an act of great mercy, He will allow “deception” to be taken out of the picture. That means that the specific principality of deception will be bound or “destroyed”. The consequence of this is enormous. Without deception (for just a few examples), than the Catholics will realize that Mary and the saints are helpless to grant them salvation (among other great errors of this church), the Mormons will realize that Joseph Smith was deceived and that the angel Moroni was a demonic manifestation (among other great errors of this church), the Muslims will realize that most of what they believe is great deception and that there is no salvation in Mohammed and the other false religions will be seen as great deceptions. I could go on and on with specific examples of what it will be like when deception is gone and the people can see the truth. I am horrified by the Lord’s comment that even without deception and being able to see the truth as being truth, that the majority of the people will still harden their hearts and want nothing to do with Jesus as Lord. I had hoped that if the world could see Jesus as we see Jesus, then they would instantly repent and turn to Him. I was wrong and am sad over this. Jesus is the Light of the world and our only hope and He will still be rejected because some of the people’s hearts are wicked beyond all thought. I am happy to say that many will come to the Lord, not only in the USA but around the world – but the majority of the people will still want to be their own gods. Martial law will be declared. The governors will close off their state borders in an effort to stop the spread of the plagues (to stop interstate travel etc.). There will be a “run” on not only the supermarkets and camping type stores, but on all stores with any type of supplies. There will be great violence and riots as the “have nots” try to take by force from those that have anything. When the food runs out, panic will ensue. People will lock themselves in their homes for protection and not go to work. Our economy will collapse and people will glue themselves to the TV’s or the internet. Emergency response will be almost non-existent. Without any food getting to the stores, hunger will cause great problems. The Lord did say that stocking up on food and emergency supplies is wise if you live in untargeted areas (areas targeted for destruction). At the same time that all of this is happening, military bases and nuclear missile silos and power plants will be specifically targeted by what might be a second group of terrorists (specifically Russians etc. – see the specific visions given to Dumitru Duduman – “Through the Fire Without Burning”). So, while we have all of the people type venues to be concerned about, we also have the military venues and the surrounding areas to be also concerned about. Fear will be everywhere and this is still only just the beginning. To summarize so far: when the fuse runs out, the terrorist cells will be released to cause great death and destruction (in the USA), there will be 5 teams of warriors/servants of the Lord released to minister and deception will be taken out of the picture (at least for a small window of time). After the “30 day time window”, the next set of judgments on the USA will begin (I am still being brief on all of this – more details and data is available). The first thing that will happen is the west coast of the United States will be destroyed. The Lord revealed recently that he had sent a group of angels to specific locations throughout the world. They were standing there with the swords out of their scabbards and waiting for the command of the Lord (to sweep their swords across the land and to cut off whole sections of the world). This morning the Lord was very clear of the great evil that resides in California etc. Legal homosexual marriage was just one of the many evils mentioned by the Lord. He said that with a cancerous tumor, the doctors cut out every cell that could be damaged (if possible) to prevent the further spread of any cancer. The Lord said that every single square inch of California is a cancerous tumor and has to be cut out. So, He intends to cut off the entire state of California! There will be an earthquake of such a great magnitude that all of California will be cut off from the continental USA and will turn upside down in the Pacific Ocean and every soul will perish. There will be no warning! From the spiritual point of view, he said that the angel will simply swipe his sword across the land and California will be gone. As of this morning, the Lord showed me that the sword was no longer in the hand of the angel by his leg, but had been raised in the air and was getting ready to be swiped down to cut off these land masses. Over half of Washington state will be destroyed (by 3 volcano eruptions and the resulting lava flow and fire balls etc.), part of Oregon, part of Alaska, all of Mexico, Latin America, the west coast of South America and all along the Pacific rim – all of these areas will be destroyed and this is still only the beginning of the manifestations. The United States (and the whole world) will be shocked beyond belief at the enormous loss of life. When California falls into the ocean, there will also be a Tsunami that will be hundreds of feet high, an unknown width and over a quarter mile in depth. This Tsunami will destroy all in its path. Three days after this happens (unknown if it is a literal 3 days or not), the entire southern part of the United States will be destroyed. Florida, parts or all of Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas etc. will be destroyed by water and will be forever gone. He again showed me an angel standing over Florida with a sword raised over his head, ready to sweep it down and to cut off Florida. The water destruction will be similar to the damage from hurricane Katrina but on a much bigger scale. Three days after this happens (unknown if it is a literal 3 days or not), a Russian nuclear submarine off the Atlantic coast will fire 10 nuclear missiles and will destroy 10 eastern cities. Washington DC, Baltimore, New York, Norfolk and 6 others will be destroyed. These 10 cities will be 100% destroyed with a total loss of life – all of this will come without warning. Our entire federal government in Washington will be destroyed. This will result in World War 3 as our military targets Russian cities for destruction. Next to happen will be destruction of our northern borders (as part of Canada is already gone). The final judgment on the USA will be a very “large black rock” coming out of the sky (from the east) and hitting Kansas City (judgment on the great evil that has come out of that area). The Lord was very precise when He said that when He created the earth, He also created this “black rock” to destroy it and there is no power on earth that can stop this from happening. Only God can stop it and at this point, he isn’t going to. All during the different destructions on the USA, the terrorists will continue their evil deeds. I have been very brief on these points. Over the years since I first heard the Lord talk about the coming judgments, I have read other people’s visions and words given to them, about what they saw for the future of this country. Almost every point I have shared (with the exception of all of California being destroyed), has been confirmed over and over again. Even the “black rock” was confirmed a few years ago when someone shared what they had heard from God (and before they knew that I had heard any of this). I am not looking forward to this and my hearts cry has been that the people would repent and turn from their idols and false gods. I have spent an enormous amount of time (over 15,000 hours) in the last 5+ years praying over all of this etc. and seeking the Lord for more personal holiness and clear direction. I have shared on occasion some of what I have heard with select people, as we have prayed and sought the Lord for confirmation on these things etc. The Lord has provided me with over 3000 recent dreams, night visions and some day visions in regards to these topics and other things. Last Thursday morning, the Lord “summed it all up” when He gave me a very powerful dream (almost a night vision) that brought all of this not only into clear perspective, but confirmed even the most amazing of things. I humbly share this with each of you and ask that you join me in prayer not only for our country and our world, but for all of the people in it. As always, comments (good or bad) are welcome. All mistakes belong to me. Most of this has been given to me over 50 times (except the newest additions from this morning, with the specific details on the terrorists and the time table). I humbly submit all of this to you for prayer etc. In Christ, Keith genesis6.8.9@gmail.com |
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| DaveLovesJesus | Jul 11 2008, 05:12 PM Post #2 |
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So this is going to happen literally days from now? Do the terrorist groups attack days from now? If so, we can safely say that by next Wednesday, we will be attacked? Will the group of witnesses be protected from attack? If this happens, Lord Jesus, please save us. I know that I may live or die Lord and I'm not a perfect person and You know my heart, but if I die, please remember me... My hope is in You. Nothing I am or have done is worth anything without You... If these were the last words I ever posted, I'd say "Thank You for all You have done in my life... I love You." |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 11 2008, 05:22 PM Post #3 |
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I thank You, God, that You have not appointed Your Church to wrath, but to salvation. I pray that You will not delay any longer in coming to get us and take us Home in our new bodies. Amen. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. (1st Thessalonians 5:9-10, NIV) Edited by kgreen20, Jul 11 2008, 05:33 PM.
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| kamcco | Jul 11 2008, 09:09 PM Post #4 |
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Oh man! This stuff is so scary. We are going to Florida next week (for both a business trip and then a little family fun) and I don't want to go now. 
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| Wil | Jul 11 2008, 09:16 PM Post #5 |
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Teamldr7 are you Keith? If not where was this originally posted? The magnitude of the terrorist attacks was also seen by Matthew Stephen, and it could be when Iran gets attacked, reports have stated this as a possibility when it occurs. |
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 12 2008, 12:47 AM Post #6 |
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Speachless. Nuff said. Off to go pray! |
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PINKY ..."In the latter days you will understand it perfectly." Jeremiah 23:20b | |
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| lionschild | Jul 12 2008, 12:48 AM Post #7 |
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As scary as it is I too have heard most all of it from others. The only thing I havent heard is as Teamldr 7 said "the total destruction of Calif. Edited by lionschild, Jul 12 2008, 01:20 AM.
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 12 2008, 08:36 AM Post #8 |
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My question is, where does the rapture fit into all of this? |
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PINKY ..."In the latter days you will understand it perfectly." Jeremiah 23:20b | |
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| MoreofHim | Jul 12 2008, 09:05 AM Post #9 |
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Hi Pinky, Welcome to our forum. I found this article this morning regarding the return of our Messiah and I find it to be scripturally sound and based on truth. As a believer who has surrendered themselves to Jesus Christ, there is no fear of those things that are coming upon the world. He is our shelter and our Ark in the time of trouble. I hope that this article blesses you and sets you free. ...Paul had preached and raised up a church in the Greek city of Thessalonica about 50AD. Because of intense persecution, he was forced to leave the city and move on to other parts of Greece. While in Athens he sent his assistant, Timothy, back to Thessalonica bearing a letter intended to comfort and encourage the fledgling Christian community. In this context he mentioned those who had already died in the faith. "Since they were dead, how would they benefit from the return of the Messiah?" some in Thessalonica seem to have wondered. "We wish you not to remain in ignorance, brothers, about those who sleep in death; you should not grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again; and so it will be for those who died as Christians; God will bring them to life with Jesus. For this we tell you as the Lord’s word: we who are left alive until the Lord comes shall not forestall those who have died; because at the word of command, at the sound of the archangel’s voice and God’s trumpet call, the Lord himself will descend from heaven; first the Christian dead will rise, then we who are left alive shall join them, caught up in clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:13–17, NEB). This description is taken by rapture proponents to be descriptive of a secret coming of Christ, which will take Christians off to Heaven. But notice we are told that preceding this resurrection the trumpet of God is blown. What is that and when will it occur? The Apostle Paul added more details when he wrote a letter to the Corinthian Church, located in a neighboring Greek city. "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:51–52). The specific supernatural trumpet that will be blown prior to the resurrection of the saints is dubbed "the last trumpet." Does the Bible anywhere speak of a series of supernatural trumpet blasts? The answer is a resounding yes! Revelation 8:1–2 describes the opening of the seventh and last of the seals which had closed the book of Revelation until they were removed one at a time by Jesus Christ. When the seventh seal was opened the Apostle John saw in vision seven angels standing before God and each receiving a trumpet. The angels proceeded to blow these trumpets one at a time signaling terrible ecological disasters followed by horrible warfare. Now, let us notice Revelation 11:15: "Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever.’" Verse 18 connects this seventh and final trumpet blast with the time when God’s wrath has come and when He would reward the saints. Clearly, when we look at these three sections of scripture it is very apparent that the seventh and last trumpet signals both the resurrection of the saints as well as the time when Christ returns to judge the nations. These are not two different phases of the Second Coming, separated by seven years, as most evangelical writers contend. Rather, the resurrection of the saints to immortality and the pouring out of God’s wrath on the nations begin at the same time and are both signaled by the same event, the blast of the seventh and final trumpet. Another important set of verses to look at in this context is Matthew 24:29–31. In verse 29 we learn that the tribulation and the heavenly signs occur prior to the return of Jesus Christ. Verse 30 emphasizes that His return, far from being secret, will be seen by people everywhere and will provoke mourning and grief from the unrepentant. Then verse 31 states: "And he will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Let us understand the real significance of this verse. From 1 Thessalonians 4 we learned that when the last trumpet blows, the saints, both living and dead will rise from the earth to meet Jesus Christ in the clouds. Matthew 24:31 talks of the angels gathering the elect from the four winds of heaven. The Bible uses the same term, heaven, to describe three different locations. From which heaven are the saints to be gathered? The first heaven is the heaven of the earth’s atmosphere, where the birds fly and where the clouds are. The second use of the word heaven is for what we call outer space. The stars, the sun and the moon are located in this second heaven. The Bible also refers to the realm of God’s throne as heaven, characterizing it in 2 Corinthians 12:2 as "the third heaven." The wind blows in the first heaven, the heaven where the clouds are, not in outer space or the environs of the throne of God. The angels would have no need to gather Christians from around the throne of God. Rather, Matthew 24:31 describes the resurrection of the saints, which clearly occurs at the time of Christ’s return in glory. When the saints rise all of the resurrected saints meet Jesus Christ. He simply sends angels through the sky to gather His elect from all the points of the compass where they are rising to assemble them in the clouds over Jerusalem to greet their returning Savior. How simple! The Parousia The Bible uses the Greek word parousia to refer to the return of Jesus Christ numerous times. It is a term, which was often used in a secular context to refer to the coming of a king. It carries with it no connotation of a secret coming. Four occurrences of the word are in Matthew 24. In verse three Jesus’ disciples asked Him for the "sign" of his parousia (or coming). In verse 27 Jesus compares His parousia to the visible spread of light from east to west when the sun rises. In verses 37 and 39 He compares His coming to the time when God’s judgment came on the pre-flood world in the days of Noah. None of these verses are descriptive of any secret or clandestine coming. The word parousia is also used in 1 Corinthians 15:23 to refer to the event which will accompany the resurrection of the saints. In 1 Thessalonians 4:15 it is again used to refer to the event which accompanies the resurrection of the saints. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 describes Christ destroying the final false prophet, the man of sin, at His parousia (coming). Clearly His parousia will not be a secret event, but rather a time when He will begin to execute judgment on the ungodly. In chapter two of 2 Thessalonians Paul explains that true Christians would be able to know the time when Christ’s parousia was approaching. He explains that there were events, which had to precede the coming of Christ (v. 3). He simply was not going to be coming "any minute." Earlier Paul had pointed out to the Thessalonians that the world as a whole would not be expecting the Messiah’s return. However, he went on to state that true Christians had no excuse for being caught unaware. Since they lived in spiritual light and not darkness, they should be alert to the signs of the times and not taken by surprise (1 Thessalonians 5:1–4). What About God’s Protection? Does the fact that Christ’s return occurs after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29–31) mean that all Christians will have to go through that time of suffering that is to come? Christ certainly enjoined His disciples to pray that they might be accounted worthy to escape that time of trouble (Luke 21:36). If there is not a secret rapture prior to the tribulation, then what did Christ mean by that statement? Let us understand the difference between the Tribulation and the Day of the Lord. Revelation 6:17 makes plain that the day of God’s wrath follows the heavenly signs mentioned in verses 12 through 16. The heavenly signs are the sixth seal and the Day of the Lord is the seventh. The events that happened earlier do not represent God’s wrath; they represent Satan’s! The fifth seal, described symbolically in Revelation 6:9–11, describes a future martyrdom of saints. Jesus Christ referred to this in Matthew 24, verses 9 and 21. He talked about a time when His disciples would be persecuted and even killed. But notice the events of the tribulation are not only directed against the Church. In Jeremiah 30:7 we read of a time called "Jacob’s trouble" described as the worst ever. Daniel 12:1 also describes a "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation." This is an almost identical expression to that used by Jesus in Matthew 24:21. There surely cannot be several times, each being the worst ever. These verses are all describing the same event! This time is Satan’s wrath against the modern day descendants of Israel as well as against spiritual Israel, the Church. This is made plain in Revelation 12 where we read of the Church being described by the metaphor of a woman. It was the Old Testament Church that brought forth the Messiah (v. 5). After He was caught up to Heaven to be with the Father, the Church (now in its New Testament phase) fled from persecution into the wilderness. In verse 13 we find that after Satan is cast back down to the earth, a yet future event, he launches all-out persecution upon the Church. At this time, we are told, the Church will be taken to a place in the wilderness to be supernaturally nourished and protected during the final three-and-a-half year period preceding Christ’s return. Note, however, that all Christians are not taken to this place of safety. Rather, we learn in verse 17 that Satan then goes to make war with the "remnant." These are clearly true Christians because they are described as those who "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Why are some not protected from Satan’s wrath? The answer is found in a careful study of Revelation 3. Here, in messages to the last two of the seven churches, those at Philadelphia and Laodicia, we find a contrast between two different groups of God’s people at the end time. The church at Philadelphia is used to characterize those who are zealously going through the open door to preach the gospel that Christ has set before them. The church at Laodicia is characterized as being lukewarm, lacking in zeal. They are complacent and self-centered. It is upon this group, characteristic of the final phase of the Church of God, that God will allow Satan to pour his wrath. This is a last resort on God’s part, as these people have not been stirred to repent of their lack of zeal by any prior event. When God prepares to pour out His wrath, the events of the Day of the Lord, He first sets apart those who have come to repentance during the preceding time of Tribulation (Revelation 7:1–3). This is a yet future event designed to protect those who have surrendered to God in the midst of persecution and terrible pressure to conform to Satan’s system. There is a clear distinction between the Tribulation (Satan’s wrath) and the Day of the Lord, which is the time of God’s judgment on those who give their allegiance to the coming Beast system. A secret rapture? The Bible teaches no such thing! It does teach, however, that Jesus Christ is going to come back in power and glory to rule this world and to bring salvation to His saints. We can and should be aware of the signs of the times, not oblivious to the events that are going to plunge the world into the most hellish time in its history. Also, we are enjoined to be zealously seeking God in prayer and putting our hearts into the work of preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to the whole world. Those who are zealously so doing will be protected by God, while those who are not will be confronted with having to learn a hard lesson. 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| kgreen20 | Jul 12 2008, 09:49 AM Post #10 |
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I don't know exactly, Pinky, or, for that matter, whether this really is from God or not. The events of the near future will answer that question. I do know this (and I know the post-Trib members of this forum will disagree with me on what I'm about to say): we will be gone before the first seal is opened. The Tribulation is the last 7 years of the Age of the Law, according to the Book of Daniel; it is not a time when the Church can be present. It is a time when God will pour out His wrath upon the world to such an extent that all life will be in danger of being extinguished. The Church is not appointed to wrath. Therefore, Pinky, we will be in Heaven first. You can rest assured of that. Something else I wanted to tack on: if all the words and physical indicators can be believed, our departure date is very close now! We may go through a rough time before the trumpet blows, but we will not have to endure 7 years of God's wrath. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 12 2008, 10:03 AM.
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 12 2008, 10:03 AM Post #11 |
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I am going to have to print this out to read it. I have another question. If this were so, how does the mark of the beast come to play? |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 12 2008, 10:05 AM Post #12 |
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The Mark of the Beast commences during the Tribulation's 2nd half. That is when the Antichrist will require everyone to accept his mark on their hands or foreheads and to worship his statue. Those who don't won't be able to buy or sell; in fact, to refuse to do so will become a capital crime. Millions upon millions will be beheaded for refusing to do so, because to accept his mark will be a capital crime in God's eyes and therefore, they will refuse to take it. It will be an unpardonable sin; those who do can never be saved. The mark may be a computer implant, imbedded in your skin, or it may be an RFID tattoo, perhaps invisible. Again, though, only the people who come to Christ after the Rapture will be forced to make this dreaded choice. It will not come upon us during the Age of Grace, and thank the Lord, we will not be here during the last 7 years of the Age of the Law! Edited by kgreen20, Jul 12 2008, 07:43 PM.
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 12 2008, 10:32 AM Post #13 |
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Yes, I have heard of this. But from the above post, how does it take place because everyone will be starving, dead in earthquakes, death....during all of this...how in the world would an implant come to play? I guess I don't get it. I have heard of the RFID chip. I know the Bible says this will happen. But with all the stuff the poster posted, I can't see where it comes to play. KWIM? |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 12 2008, 11:18 AM Post #14 |
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First of all, you need to know that I am not a prophet, nor am I gifted in interpreting prophecy. There are others who are better equipped than I am in explaining what this prophecy means, when the Lord tells them. All I can do is tell you what I think. For starters, while it is possible that some nasty events may happen before we, the Church, are removed in the Rapture--I certainly won't discount that possibility; after all, we are in the grip of birth pangs--I can't help but get the feeling that he's predicting Tribulation events, at least, for the most part. The fact that he's saying that this is an upcoming severe judgment not just for America but for the world leads me to suspect that this is the case. And the Book of Revelation predicts much of what he's predicting. The 1st seal consists of the Antichrist conquering the world through peace; during that time, the judgments will be primarily spiritual. But from the 2nd seal on, the judgments will be both spiritual and physical. And they will become progressively worse, until it comes to the point that all life is in imminent danger of being extinguished on Planet Earth. When it reaches that point, Jesus will return with His Bride--us. People will be dying in the Tribulation. They'll be dying of starvation, disease, acts of crime, war, martyrdom, etc., etc., etc. Hal Lindsey said in one of his books that the survivors, in the end, would probably number around 50 million. That's out of several billion people, starting out--that gives you a pretty good idea as to how many billions will die, after an undetermined number have been removed in the Rapture. As for how the mark of the beast comes into play--well, it will, one way or the other. The Bible predicts it, as surely as it predicts the abomination of desolation. So people will have to be in pretty good shape economically when the 2nd half of the Tribulation begins. The threat of not being able to buy or sell would be an empty threat, it seems to me, if economic conditions were already so bad that people couldn't buy or sell anyway. That would fit in nicely with what Hal Lindsey believes about the 2nd seal waiting till after the abomination of desolation to be opened. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 12 2008, 11:37 AM.
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| teamldr7 | Jul 12 2008, 12:13 PM Post #15 |
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Hello all, I would like to respond to some of the comments posted here. I also gave my email address so that any of you that wanted to talk more about any of this etc, could email me. To DaveLovesJesus: Yes, it could happen literally any minute, but there are a few things (not mentioned) that have to happen first, and at this time, they haven’t happened. I have always wondered why when I hear from the Lord and He says tomorrow, then sometimes it is literally tomorrow and other times it is sometime in the future. Last night, I believe I heard Him say that the fuse was 95% out and that would logically mean that today would be the manifestation of what I shared. But, I also realize that the last 5% of fuse could somehow take longer than the first 95% to burn – that would mean that instead of today, we could have a longer time period. In the book of Daniel, when Daniel talked about 70 weeks, he heard the Lord clearly say 70 weeks, but we all know that the correct interpretation was 70 weeks of weeks (or something to that effect). I hear 3 days and think (in human terms) 3 literal earth days, but I realize from experience that 3 days might mean to the Lord 3 days of days or something completely different. If any of you out there have a good grasp on why this happens, please tell me (besides the fact that God’s days are different than our days – time is something we have on earth and eternity is what you have in Heaven). Dave, I sense that what is going to happen is imminent. The Lord told me last Saturday to put all my affairs in order and be ready to leave – I was obedient. The groups of witnesses are completely protected from the attacks. I could write another 5 pages just on the 7 teams and how God intends to use them. To kgreen20: I think we need to differentiate the term “Church”. There is a true bride or Church that has kept itself from the world and walks with the Lord in holiness, on their faces before the Lord in prayer for holiness and repentance etc. I believe that when He talks about the Philadelphia Church, He was specifically referring to this group of believers. Then we have the “Christian Church” as the world sees them. They have the appearance of being the Church, but not the heart or the holiness etc. They are the Laodicean Church and are luke warm at best. In Matthew 25, the Lord divides “the Church” into 2 categories, the sheep and the goats. I believe the sheep (using 7/12/08 standards) are the small group of Christians walking in holiness and repentance and the goats are the rest, the ones who only pay lip service and not heart service to the Lord. I believe that the Lord is bringing judgment on the luke warm “Christians” to force them off the proverbial fence. Scripture proves that the Lord desires to protect His bride. The comment about the tribulation already started was my opinion which I should have kept out of the article – my apologies. To Wil: I am Keith or teamldr7. My first posting here was this article. A friend recommended me to your site the same day I posted this. To Lionschild: As I shared, this was just a brief summary, of a small portion, of what I have heard. I am more than willing to share almost all of what I have – there are some things that are not to be shared. The Lord is not at all happy with California and He insists that every square inch of it be destroyed and removed from the map. One of the points that I forgot to make was how mad He is, because we (the USA) have allowed a very small portion of liberals to desecrate our country and what our country was founded on. They have taken our Christian heritage and turned it into something unrecognizable. California seems to be leading the way in filth and I believe that the Lord intends to use California as an example of His judgment (like Sodom and Gomorrah). That means that all of the cancer called California must be excised. To Pinky1441: In all of my time in prayer, the Lord has never used the word rapture to describe an event. He is specific to use the phrasing “Day of the Lord” (Joel chapter 2) and He has mentioned that time to be right before the “big black rock” (whether that is a meteor or asteroid etc.) hits Kansas City. He has always talked about the evil coming out of Kansas City and that is the destination for the rock. If I have heard correctly, the Lord is pulling out His true Church before the United States is completely destroyed. That could be before September of this year. I personally believe the mark of the beast comes sometime after the United States is destroyed. Not all of the world is starving and dying. By and large, there are huge areas unaffected by anything I have shared. The Pacific Ring of Fire countries (look up on the internet) will be affected by the same destruction that takes out California, part of Oregon, Washington State etc. There are whole areas of the world unaffected by this (including the Middle East) To Moreof Him: Thank you for your good article. Luke 21:36 – I believe that the Lord has said that there is a type of “first fruits harvest” (my wording, not His) with respect to a pulling out of this world a small group of Christians prior to any of this happening. I believe, from what I have heard that the next thing to happen will be the pulling out of a group of Christians that love the Lord with all of their heart and are ready to die for Him, if called upon. This will happen before the terrorists strike or the fuse goes out. I believe that that event is imminent. To all: I have tried to share what I believe the Lord has given me. I expect all of you to check this against Scripture and if it opposes Scripture, to lovingly correct me. Everything that is shared by anyone must be checked against the one true Word, which is the Bible. All of us are human and make mistakes, but the Bible is never wrong. Our interpretations (example: pre-trib vs. mid-trib vs. post-trib etc.) are sometimes wrong, but the Bible isn’t. If anything I have shared is wrong, please email me and lets discuss if I heard wrong or if you are interpreting wrong or there is another way of looking at something. I will share this: for the most part I have kept quiet about the things I have heard, never publishing on the internet (except a few things by email) but the Lord was forceful that this needed to get out – now was the time to be a Watchman on the Wall. Long after we are gone (rapture or first fruits harvest), our words on the internet will still be here – to guide and warn others. Let us remember that and post our comments wisely. 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| kgreen20 | Jul 12 2008, 12:42 PM Post #16 |
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Thanks for your clarifications, Keith. At least, we understand, better, where you're coming from now. Actually, the weeks mentioned in Daniel are not weeks of weeks, but weeks of years--7-year periods. All but one of the weeks of years were fufilled at the time Christ was declared as Messiah. Only one week of years remains to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled during the Tribulation, the last 7 years of the Age of the Law. The Age of Grace, which we're in now, will have to end so that the last 7 years of the Age of the Law--the last week of years--can begin. BTW, do you believe in salvation by grace through faith plus works? It sounds to me as if you do, judging from what you said above. You may as well know where I stand on this issue. I believe that no one can save himself, try as he may. No one can attain salvation by keeping the law, because you have to keep it 100 percent and never once break any of the statutes. I think you'll agree that no one can do that. That's why Jesus had to die for us--He had to become sin for us, so that we could become the righteousness of God in Him. When He did that, salvation became a free gift--we don't have to pay for it, because He already did. All we have to do is recognize that we're sinners, recognize that He died for us, recognize that He offers us salvation, and then accept that gift. When we do that, He takes up residence in our hearts. The Holy Spirit seals us and becomes a deposit ensuring our future inheritance in the Kingdom of God. God gives us a new nature, a nature that wants to follow Him. It is not by our works that He does this, mind you--it is by His work that salvation becomes ours. And it is by His work that salvation remains ours. We can no more work to keep ourselves saved than we can work to get saved. He does it all in us. Every person who accepts Christ's gift of salvation becomes a member of His Church, a member of His Body, His Bride. God is not looking to see how well we're keeping the Law of Moses, which we could never keep anyway--He's looking to see if Jesus lives in our hearts. If He does, then we're His, and instead of seeing our sins, He sees His Son's righteousness. For that reason, He is able to accept us. If it were not for the covering of Jesus' blood, God could never accept us. He would be compelled to send us to Hell. Now, once we've made the initial act of accepting Jesus into our hearts--the act that is called regeneration--we've taken the initial act that makes the salvation package ours. The second part of the salvation package is sanctification--that is the process of becoming more and more like Christ, with the Holy Spirit's help. That is what will determine how well we come out at the Bema Judgment Seat, following the Rapture. According to Paul, remember, By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. (1st Corinthians 3:10-15, NIV) Do you see that? He will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved. In other words, failing to produce the good works we're saved to do won't take away our salvation, or our participation in the Rapture (which is part of the salvation package), but it will cause us loss when we stand before Jesus at the Bema. Incidentally, that is the final part of the salvation package: the receiving of a new resurrection body. That part of the package is called glorification, because we will receive glorified bodies. If we're alive when the trumpet blows, we'll be changed and caught up to meet Jesus in the air. If we're dead, we'll be resurrected and caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Either way, the result will be the same: we'll receive a new body just like His; we'll meet Him in the air; and He'll take us to Heaven. That act of His will bring about the end of the Church Age, paving the way for the last 7 years of the Age of the Law to begin. To sum it all up: I believe in salvation by grace through faith alone. Not faith plus works. I firmly believe that we cannot work to be saved, and that's why Jesus did it for us. He saved us, and He keeps us saved. If we backslide, get out of fellowship, etc., He does what He has to to bring us back. But He does not reject us as His children. We're still His, and we always will be. For that reason, I do not believe in a partial Rapture. Nor do I believe that God calls only the members of the Church--the Body--who are performing well as Christians His children. We are all His children, by adoption. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 12 2008, 02:24 PM.
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| SpiritIsWilling | Jul 12 2008, 12:45 PM Post #17 |
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Thanks Keith for posting that prophecy and also for clarifying the timing that the Lord gave and gives you and for admitting that you are not sure if it's literal or longer. Sometimes a prophecy gets discredited because of a misunderstood or missed date. God Bless SIW |
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Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 
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| Pinky1441 | Jul 12 2008, 12:54 PM Post #18 |
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Thank you for coming back and explaining a few things. I do have another question. I am guessing I know the answer on this but thought it would be interesting to see what you as well as others have thought. When you say so many people will die. Does that mean like you and me? As Christians? Are we to die when all this happens? |
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| lionschild | Jul 12 2008, 01:30 PM Post #19 |
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Are these christians going home to the Lord or are they going to be seperated unto him to be used here on earth? |
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| kgreen20 | Jul 12 2008, 01:47 PM Post #20 |
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That's a good question, Pinky. I'll try to explain this as well as I can. First, though, I need to explain something. There are at least 3 different views of the Rapture. There are those who believe that we will be Raptured before the Tribulation starts. There are those who believe that we will be Raptured at the midpoint of the Tribulation, before the abomination of desolation takes place. And there are those who believe that we will be Raptured just before Jesus returns (assuming that we live long enough to experience it, that is, which we probably wouldn't if that was true). I'm a pre-Tribber. I believe we will be Raptured before the Tribulation starts. There is more than one reason I believe that: God's promise that we're not appointed to wrath (the Tribulation is the time of God's wrath), and the fact that the Tribulation is the 7 last years of the Age of the Law, when God will turn His attention away from the Church and back to His chosen people. It is also known as the Time of Jacob's Trouble. Based on all that, I am firmly convinced that not one of us will die in any of the Tribulation judgments, because we won't be here to experience those. When the Tribulation starts, the work of the Church will be over. The Age of Grace, the Church Age, will have ended in the Rapture. It will be the turn of the Jews to evangelize the world, and God will commission 144,000 of them to do just that. They will survive the Tribulation judgments. Most other people who are left behind in the Rapture, however, will die. After the Church and all children under the age of accountability are taken to Heaven in the Rapture, only a small minority of the people who have been left behind will live to see Jesus' coming. Therefore, most of the people who come to faith in Christ in the Rapture will have to be resurrected when Jesus returns. They and the Tribulation saints will be resurrected together. Tribulation believers who survive the judgments and the Antichrist's persecution will enter the Millennium as mortal believers. They will repopulate the earth and recreate the economy. As glorified saints, our jobs will be different. So, no. In answer to your question, we will not die when all this happens. We will be in Heaven with Jesus, receiving our rewards at the Bema, fellowshipping with Jesus, etc. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 12 2008, 02:20 PM.
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