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Is the Tribulation for you?
Topic Started: Jul 7 2008, 12:54 AM (3,501 Views)
leghagha	Jul 7 2008, 12:54 AM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 183 Group: Members Member #2,794 Joined: January 29, 2008	Is the Tribulation for You? Amos Scaggs - 8/03/05 I was on a computer and it was the mid-tribulation time period. I saw millions of people being destroyed and all sorts of catastrophes happening all over the world. I saw the Beast system in full swing, its leaders and commanders. I thought I had seen enough so I wanted to close the screen out. I kept clicking the "X" with the cursor 15-20 times in rapid secession but every time I would hit the "X" the screen would pop back up again. I was getting frustrated because I couldn’t exit the page. Then a voice said, "You're Not Getting Out." I had to sit there and watch the activities of the tribulation times. Needless to say, I was totally disappointed and my heart sank because I thought I would escape the tribulation period. Regardless of what you have been taught or think, the Christian/Church will go through the seven-year tribulation period.



Wil	Jul 7 2008, 01:09 AM Post #2
Administrator Posts: 9,531 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Your belief Leghaga some of us were told (from Upstairs) differently.



Israeli	Jul 7 2008, 03:09 AM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 790 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Luke 21 states that we are to be seeking to found WORTHY TO ESCAPE all of these things and to stand before the Son of Man. The church of Philadelphia also seems to have been given this promise. I believe we need to seeking with all of our power to be found in the Lord's will from this day forward, never to disobey Him again, and beg Him to help us know His voice. Otherwise, we WILL have to go through the trib and be refined. I think this is what scripture tells us. Let Him refine us NOW before its too late! Edited by Israeli, Jul 7 2008, 03:10 AM.



SpiritIsWilling	Jul 7 2008, 09:33 AM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 520 Group: Advanced Members Member #3,594 Joined: March 22, 2008	Israeli Jul 7 2008, 03:09 AM Luke 21 states that we are to be seeking to found WORTHY TO ESCAPE all of these things and to stand before the Son of Man. The church of Philadelphia also seems to have been given this promise. I believe we need to seeking with all of our power to be found in the Lord's will from this day forward, never to disobey Him again, and beg Him to help us know His voice. Otherwise, we WILL have to go through the trib and be refined. I think this is what scripture tells us. Let Him refine us NOW before its too late!
	Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


Pamelot	Jul 9 2008, 01:10 PM Post #5
Member Posts: 43 Group: Members Member #4,769 Joined: July 8, 2008	Hi, everyone. I just registered last night and hope that this, my first post, doesn't get me kicked off. ;) Long ago, I quit labeling myself as "pre-", "mid-" or "post-" tribulation, because that distinction serves only to further divide people. God will (or won't) remove us when He sees fit and all of our discussion and won't change His plan one bit. What if......instead of removing us physically, we remain on the Earth but apart from the drama that's going on right next to us? "In the world but not of the world," so to speak. It would be awesome if we were physically removed and I'm ready for that, but am also preparing, as best I can, to be here for the long haul. It's not my choice, after all, and I'm not about to come to fisticuffs with other Christians over it. IF we all remain here for the tribulation, I have every expectation that a freshwater spring will bubble up in the back yard and birds will fly in with our food, every day, if we're not able to grow enough on our own. God always provides. So, I hope this JMO is okay, but if not, I just want to say that you have a lovely forum, here, and I'll keep lurking and reading, even if I can't post, any more.
	A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. ~ Psalms 91: 7 & 8


SpiritIsWilling	Jul 9 2008, 07:42 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 520 Group: Advanced Members Member #3,594 Joined: March 22, 2008	Exellent point about labeling causing division. I totally agree with you there. I'm learning to be the same way. Whether here or with the Lord, it's time to accept whatever comes. That's all we can do.
	Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


Wil	Jul 10 2008, 12:25 AM Post #7
Administrator Posts: 9,531 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 21, 2005	Welcome Pamelot, I agree also that it really doesn't matter when the rapture is, what does is our relationship with Him, if that's not right pre, mid or post trib we are going to fall away when things get rough regardless of what it is, Great Trib or what not, as the parable of the sower of the seeds shows. Praying that the entire Body becomes aware of this so we can stop giving our demonic enemy the victory when we all too often are at each others throats over this and all other debatable secondary, non-essential issues.



Israeli	Jul 10 2008, 01:45 AM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 790 Group: Advanced Members Member #1,064 Joined: April 29, 2007	Hey Pamelot, sounds good to me, what you said!



lionschild	Jul 10 2008, 01:49 AM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 426 Group: Members Member #2,333 Joined: December 11, 2007	Great post pamelot!! Welcome
	The King has need of thee!


Pamelot	Jul 10 2008, 03:54 AM Post #10
Member Posts: 43 Group: Members Member #4,769 Joined: July 8, 2008	Aw, thank you all so much for the nice welcome. It was this part of the original post that really caught my attention: Quote: Then a voice said, "You're Not Getting Out." I had to sit there and watch the activities of the tribulation times. He had to watch the activities, not be a part of the activities. (Kidding about the . I just get such a kick out of that emoticon. )
	A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. ~ Psalms 91: 7 & 8


MichaelInHisService	Jul 10 2008, 11:09 AM Post #11
Advanced Member Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #1,784 Joined: September 10, 2007	Pamelot - Some Christians will be destroyed by the beast and some will live through it. The Lord has shown me that me and my immediate family will share a very large farm house with many others that will have fled from the beast. I've seen this house and the people in it with alot of detail but until he's ready for me to be there he won't tell me where it's at. Look into how God protected the Israelites from his destruction in Egypt. They were not affected by His plagues but in this case the beast will go after the saints of the MOST HIGH because of what God is bringing on the wicked. In Messiah, Michael
	Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.


kgreen20	Jul 10 2008, 12:15 PM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 1,651 Group: Advanced Members Member #96 Joined: January 7, 2006	Fortunately, what one believes about the Rapture is not a salvation issue. It is not vital that one have one's head straight about when that event will occur in order to be privileged to participate in it. It is only necessary that you receive the gift of salvation. If you have done that, then you will get a new body and meet Christ in the air when the Church Age ends, whether you're pre-Trib, mid-Trib, or post-Trib. And I, for one, am glad of that, because that means MichaelInHisService is good to go when the time comes! =) Having said that, however, it does make a huge difference to our hope in this life to know what the Bible actually teaches on this subject. Those of us who are pre-Trib believe we have the blessed hope to look forward to, as opposed to enduring God's wrath and being killed by it. Those who are post-Trib probably don't expect to live to see Christ's coming; they have probably resigned themselves to thinking that they will have to be resurrected when the time comes, since they know that most people will die. (Which is quite true for the Tribulation believers, since only a small minority will still be alive when Jesus returns to rule the world at the end of the Trib.) There is not a single verse that tells us clearly at what point the Rapture will occur; instead, the clues are scattered throughout God's Word. We have to study the Bible diligently to find the answers. Edited by kgreen20, Jul 10 2008, 12:17 PM.



MoreofHim	Jul 10 2008, 01:36 PM Post #13
Advanced Member Posts: 546 Group: Advanced Members Member #834 Joined: March 24, 2007	For those who believe that the Lord will rescue the righteous prior to God's wrath, as God's word clearly tells us, you should read the study on the Great Escape: like in the Days of Noah and Lot. http://all-things-new.net/topic/6506456/1/#new
	Quote: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." Isaiah 2:3


MichaelInHisService	Jul 10 2008, 03:54 PM Post #14
Advanced Member Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #1,784 Joined: September 10, 2007	Quote: kgreen said There is not a single verse that tells us clearly at what point the Rapture will occur; instead, the clues are scattered throughout God's Word. We have to study the Bible diligently to find the answers. Clearly the one that is coming back for us never mentioned the rapture. He said in Matthew 24: 29"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30"And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31"And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. In Messiah, Michael
	Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.


Shershalom	Jul 10 2008, 04:07 PM Post #15
Advanced Member Posts: 612 Group: Advanced Members Member #810 Joined: March 20, 2007	31"And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other." Why did Messiah say the elect are gathered from the Winds and the Sky, and not from the earth or land?
	SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39


MichaelInHisService	Jul 10 2008, 04:25 PM Post #16
Advanced Member Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #1,784 Joined: September 10, 2007	Paul explains it in 1 Thes 4: 6For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. In Messiah, Michael
	Isaiah 26:9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.


Shershalom	Jul 10 2008, 07:47 PM Post #17
Advanced Member Posts: 612 Group: Advanced Members Member #810 Joined: March 20, 2007	Let's see if I have this in the proper order now here ... End of tribulation ... LORD descends, dead in Christ raised, remaning alive believers raised in to the air, so we can always be with the LORD, and then the angels come, and gather us all from the air, winds and sky to always be with the LORD, right? So when / where does Zechariah 8:8-14, 14:1-5 and Revelations 19:11-16 fit into this scenario?
	SherShalom "Blessed is HE that comes in the NAME of the LORD." MATTHEW 23:39


kgreen20	Jul 10 2008, 08:02 PM Post #18
Advanced Member Posts: 1,651 Group: Advanced Members Member #96 Joined: January 7, 2006	Not to mention the fact there are supposed to be surviving mortal believers to enter the Millennial Kingdom. If we're Raptured at the end of the Tribulation, there can be no Millennium to follow--not without mortals to repopulate the earth and recreate the economy.



MoreofHim	Jul 10 2008, 08:32 PM Post #19
Advanced Member Posts: 546 Group: Advanced Members Member #834 Joined: March 24, 2007	Quote: Why did Messiah say the elect are gathered from the Winds and the Sky, and not from the earth or land? A better translation comes from the KJV bible: "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Mark 13:27 The four winds ARE JUDGMENTS sent by the hand of God. So after the judgments bring about repentance, God will regather (harvest) his people. This pattern is also recorded in Deuteronomy 30:4 "If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee" and also Nehemiah 1:9 "But if ye turn unto me and keep my commandments and do them though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven yet will I gather them from thence and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there"
	Quote: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." Isaiah 2:3


MoreofHim	Jul 10 2008, 08:42 PM Post #20
Advanced Member Posts: 546 Group: Advanced Members Member #834 Joined: March 24, 2007	Quote: Not to mention the fact there are supposed to be surviving mortal believers to enter the Millennial Kingdom. If we're Raptured at the end of the Tribulation, there can be no Millennium to follow--not without mortals to repopulate the earth and recreate the economy. KG- where do you come up with these doctrines? They are not based on the word of God.
	Quote: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." Isaiah 2:3


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