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| pjbaby | Jun 9 2006, 10:33 PM Post #21 |
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ME, being from Swampland, I have no idea what a core shock is!!!  :rolleyes:
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| Wil | Jun 11 2006, 08:19 PM Post #22 |
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http://www.injesus.com/index.php?module=me...roupID=4A007Z08 Discerning re: earthquake in Northwest There are so many voices trying to warn and speak that sometimes it gets quite confusing. Below is a commentary Judy gave re: Elijahlist's take on the earthquake warning for the northwest. Most often the date setters do not come about. Sometimes it's that our prayers and repentance, like Ninevah, has either allayed or delayed what has been intended. So discern as you read this conversation. At bottom is the email from elijahlist. There was a prophecy given by one person about a soon earthquake for the northwest, giving a date. Mixture sometimes happens when our hearts are not right, or the enemy is trying to mess with us. If judgements are delayed it is because God has had MERC Y once again. But it behooves us in this hour to be VERY CLOSE to the Lord to know HIS will and timing for what we are to do. Worship HIM, and spend time ALONE with HIM, and ask HIM to speak to you His heart, and renounce all fears, including the fear of hearing the truth. Pris ____________________________________ The comments below by Steve Shultz remind me somewhat of the reasons given by the WPA about why they did not post the Willamette prophesy, one of the main ones being the pastor's "bad theology". Below I have copied a possible confirming dream which was sent to me by someone yesterday. It is startling, but I can not say that I truly understand it--so I really do not know whether it is really confirming or not. & nbsp; Steve Shultz (as well as the WPA) can certainly post what ever THEY want and use what ever methods he/THEY chooses for selecting his prophesies to post... It is his/THEIR web site after all! As for myself, I have a bit of a problem with a couple of things that Steve says. #1. No body has "perfect theology" and God uses imperfect vessels ..(us) to get His word out....Also, this man did not say he was going to be protected because he keeps the Sabbath on Saturday. In fact, he is getting out of town and was urging his friends to do likewise. Apparently angels were even sent to him in a dream to remove him and his family. Angelic intervention is Biblical...and look how "imperfect" Lo t was! #2. The pastor DID call for repentance. That is what the whole dissertation on the 10 Commandments was all about. #3. From my own personal experience I can not say that every single warning word should also have a call for prayer and repentance...But then, perhaps by Steve Shultz's standards I am a false prophet!... I have received over 1,100 prophetic words. Many are words of warning or general descriptions of judgement that is coming. . Many of these words contain calls to repentance, but certainly not each and every word. Some are just calls to repentance---with no warning or description of any kind of judgement included. Most of these 1,100 words are in bo oks and the Lord has promised to release them soon. Most of these words have not been released, only about 50 of them. Just based on what Steve said, I am getting a pretty good idea of how I will be trashed by the "prophetic Charismatic community.".....But personally, I am not out to please anyone, but to try and write down what I hear the Lord tell me the best way that I can....followed by being as obedient as possible to what God tells me to do as I can. Based on the # of prophesies I have seen with dates given that have not come to pass, the "odds" are that this Willamette prophesy will not happen either, But I have a witness in MY spirit, even if Steve Shultz does not. On about May 1st,2006 the Lord warned me that there is HUGE catastrophe coming to the USA. I needed to have a project He gave me completed before this event occurs. I will be done with this project by this coming Friday, June 16th. God did not tell me the nature of this catastrophe nor it's date...... The Willamette prophesy would fit...But then again, So could a number of other things, such as a total stock market collapse, etc....etc. I would be interesting in your thoughts on what Steve said. I am forwarding Steve's prophesy and the possible confirming dream, (which I received yesterday from another lady), to a few other people with whom I have had significant interaction regarding this particular prophesy. These dreams have generated more interest than anything I can remember in a very long time! Yours, Judy ************** POSSIBLE CONFIRMING DREAM SENT TO ME Date: Wed Feb 1, 2006 12:41 am Subject: Dream of a Flood, By David Kocurek ,Sr I was given a dream of a Flood. But I am not sure wear - Perhaps Portland Oregon? I dreamed, I was inside some type of 3 Story Building in the Back near a door - it felt like a Stadium because the open ceiling went 3 story's high. Their was my Wife a few kids an d a couple other adults. We were in this place for Refuge? But I wasn▓t sure why? The Walls were baby Blue and there was a couple big Power Boxes on the wall by the back door (could represent Bonneville?), the floor was even painted baby blue From: JMartenson@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Steve Shultz on Portland Earthquake J une 10, 2006 "A Circulating Word Suggests God Is Planning A Northwest Earthquake June 17 or 18! Is He? A Crucial Prophetic Teaching-- By Steve Shultz" Does the Prophetic Word Bear Witness? But first, it would be valuable to give you just a few things (this is by no means an exhaustive list) of what we look for in a prophetic word submission: 1) Does the person writing the Word, Dream, or Vision have a documented history of getting words that turn out to be accurate? 2) Does the perso n writing the revelation seek to call for prayer to STAND IN THE GAP to prevent a word of judgment from coming to pass? For instance, Abraham, the "Father of many nations," was known to get in God's face, as it were--to stand in the gap, to ask for mercy instead of judgment: Genesis 18:25, "Far be it from You (God) to do such a thing--to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from You! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?" NIV So we at THE ELIJAH LIST seek out words where, even if judgment is seen prophetically, the person hearing of an impending disaster, will instead of accepting that word only as a done deal--at face value--he or she will run to the "Throne of Grace" to find mercy instead. I've been a part of many repentance meetings where our purpose was to stop judgment we were being shown prophetically. Our job as prophetic people is to "stand in the gap." 3) Does the man or woman who received a dream or vision, feel they have received it is because of their particularly pure doctrine? That is, do they feel that God has told them special information He has not told others; and do they conclude that because of their doctrine (including keeping the right type of Sabbath in the right type of way), they, and others, will be safe if they take on these same doctrines as a regular practice? Said another way, sometimes, we find a person (in effect) suggesting that God might be giving them a revelation because they are holding a better set of doctrinal teachings on the law, the Sabbath, the Torah, etc., and thus they conclude that if others keep or hold these same doctrines, they will be safe too. These type of revelation words are not normally posted by us. It's not that the hearer of the Word isn't a Christia n. Rather, it's because they come to a wrong conclusion about why God spoke to them. And thus the word, like a computer program, can become corrupted--all by accident of course. The Word of Revelation I've pretty much summarized the Word above, leaving out a few details. Here in effect, is the revelation I'm speaking about which is circulating. I am not linking this to the person, or naming him, because I don't want to speak in any way against a specific person, or suggest in any way that he does not love God or Jesus. Of course he does. He serves Jesus. He just, in my prophetic opinion, is missing much related to the three points I just listed. The summary of the two dreams circulating were this: This Messianic Christian (who I consider to be a brother in the Lord), received a dream in which on a given day, an evil parade was held in Portland, Oregon. Then he saw buildings collapse, the dam break, and a tsunami hit, which destroyed most of the Willamette Valley. He concluded that since the parade was evil, and the parade was on the 18th of June this year (though that date was not in the dream), this must be the date of inevitable destruction of most of Portland, and continuing down into the Salem area, etc. He further concluded that since he keeps the entire Torah including the Torah Sabbath, then those reading his word should do two things: a) Be prepared with a full tank of gas in their car on the 18th of June. B) Be sure they were attending a Torah-keeping Church. There was no call to pray against the earthquake or catastrophe. No call to pray for repentance. But there was an "assumption" or one might say, a "inference" that since he kept Torah, so should everyone else. So again, he says all the readers should: 1) keep Torah and 2) have a full tank of gas in their car on June 18th. Please note that the dream or revelation never said there would be an earthquake on June 18th (though later he got a word that meant "18" in a second dream). And there was certainly no call IN THE DREAM to begin to keep more laws from the Old Covenant--specifically the entire Torah in order to be safe--though that suggestion was implied in the revelation as it was written. As a result, we are getting many inquiries about this word. It's circulating all over the Willamette Valley where we are located. Meanwhile.... I have friends who are ministering every week, under the bridges of Portland, to people caught in this same sin this man saw in the dream. They are putting "feet" to the Gospel, and seeing salvations. Rather than fearing that God is about to wipe out Portland, these friends are doing something about the sins seen the re, and those caught in this sin. And they are praying for the safety of this area. The entire Northwest and the West Coast is admittedly overdue for an over-the-top earthquake, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami's galore. Who would or could deny this? But What Should You Do? Will you repent and stand in the gap instead? Will you call out to God for mercy? Many interpret a dream as a "done deal" when all God is wanting to do, is to say something like this, "Unless you repent, the day is coming....the time when one day, sudden destruction is possible because of this sin in this area. So I'm looking for a man or woman, or a Church, a city, or a people to stand in the gap so that judgment of destruction will not be required." (This is not a Scripture but a paraphrased idea of what God is saying through many prophetic revelations that He is giving to many people in many denominations.) As the Church, we should not have the mentality that IF every doctrine is 100% accurate, and the car is full of gas, then we are in pretty good shape. Of course, there is nothing wrong with some preparation in case a disaster ever happens to our area. Preparation is good. Fear is not. And yet, the thought process that suggests that, "Since I hold a better set of doctrines than the next person, I will be safer" --this is simply not Biblical. Sometimes, those with the best Theology and the Holiest of lives, suffer the most persecution and are attacked by the enemy. Rather, we should always pray and always be "repented- up," and we should understand the Blood of Jesus, be ministering to all those around us, standing in the gap in prayer, and yes, living Holy lives. A Very Common Set of Missteps in the Prophetic With what has been circulating in the last week or so, all three of the above guidelines are being accidentally (and innocently I'm sure) forgotten. These are good guidelines for which prophetic words to listen to and obey: 1) It is not normally only one person who will be given a judgment word by the Lord for a region. Rather, God would normally give it to many prophets and prophetic people from various denominations in the region--and many prophetic people will agree on the word. 2) A Call to pray and repent should always be urged to stop the judgment. Otherwise, we might as well be as Jonah was found to be--simply expecting a wicked city to be destroyed while he remained safe. 3) Biblically, you are not more protected because every law or doctrine is kept, or because you hold a more accurate set of doctrines, or even if you keep a certain day m ore holy than another person keeps it. Instead, most often (but not always) protection comes for those who live Holy Lives and who trust God, according to Psalm 91. Psalm 91:1-3 "He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, 'He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.' Surely He will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence." NIV Steve Shultz THE ELIJAH LIST www.elijahlist.com _______________________________________________________ UPSTREAM MINISTRIES www.upstreamca.org 15660 Tustin Village Way #27, Tustin, Ca. 92780 With almost 131,000 Email subscribers to THE ELIJAH LIST (not including our website www.elijahlist.com), you can just imagine how many catastrophic visions, dreams, and words are sent to us; the writers all hoping we will publish them. Since 1997, they number in the many thousands. This is the case even now as a particular word is circulating, suggesting a catastrophic earthquake in the Northwest--the destruction of much of Portland, Salem and the Willamette Valley, the Breaking of a massive dam, and a tsunami. Since neither I nor my prophetic intercessors are getting a "witness" on this word about June 17 or 18, I feel the need to break my own rule (that of simply and silently "passing" on a word that I don't feel led to publish) and instead, give a small teaching--both to hopefully remove fear from many of you, and to help the reader learn to discern prophetic words. Then I noticed water start to slowly seep in under the door? and reach my feet. we all retreated to the second floor balcony. and watched as the water stared to fill the room below. I thought when it reached those power boxes it would get worse. The water started slow at first then came faster and faster it reached the second floor and we retreated to the third and last balcony. But the water just kept coming and quickly filled up the third floor as well pushing us up floating us up toward the ceiling, it looked real bleak and I knew we would soon all drown. I floated near a wall as I saw the wall start to Give way, and the water stared to rush in to the other room the water pulled us down and into the next room then quickly filled and pushed us back up to the ceiling it two was Baby blue. then from that room, the wall gave way again and pulled us threw to the next room that was also baby blue. then the dream ended. ---------------------------------------------------------- Now An Unnamed pastor in the Portland Oregon Area - Who did not want to be identified, Had a dream About the Portland Oregon area, and what he saw and witnessed was a Large earth Quake. He seen much devastation and then after witnessed a Flood that came in to the City there. After conveying my dream to him, He Stated that There are many power Dams in tandem up a way in the canyons, And stated that if because of this Earth Quake it Might have Broken one of these Dams up above and over whelmed the dams below this is the only way to explain what we Both seen in our dreams. and the height of the Water. |
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| Jon | Jun 12 2006, 06:19 PM Post #23 |
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Since neither I nor my prophetic intercessors are getting a "witness" on this word about June 17 or 18, I feel the need to break my own rule (that of simply and silently "passing" on a word that I don't feel led to publish) and instead, give a small teaching--both to hopefully remove fear from many of you, and to help the reader learn to discern prophetic words. ?????? So whats the small teaching he's talking about? Coreshock theory doesn't apply unless this guy is prepared to lay out for us all to see exactly how he gets his conclusions and then allow us to apply them,,, and trust me I've read all his postings and he hasn't,,,,, then I find no relevance or accuracy in what he says. I've asked to see his theory in several emails with no answer, which is when the alarm bells start ringing for me. Let me put it this way,, In the next week or so there will be another level 6 Earthquake and I'll betcha I'm right, see I know that because there are always level six earthquakes because my RSS feed to the USGS tells me so. It's a educated guess based on patterns. So sue me I'm cynical :) |
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| pjbaby | Jun 12 2006, 09:16 PM Post #24 |
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I don't live in Earthquake zones so I don't pay attention as I should to all the terminology in relation to those events. However, I have NEVER heard of this Core shock thing? Is it a real event? I have not really understood the coreshock posts at all. Now, what i do understand is, A GIANT, rotating beast in the Gulf of Mexico lumbering toward my Home sucking up water and spewing it back out at 180 MPH!!! pjbaby |
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| Wil | Jun 15 2006, 11:37 PM Post #25 |
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For those who don't know Jack Coles is a pretty succesful earthquake predictor. Sunday is the 18th. Only God knows... Date: June 15, 2006 at 18:04:31 From: Steve in SLO Subject: Jack Coles called Jack called a few minutes ago. He said he was concerned the 4.7 at San Martin Calif this morning might be a foreshock for something larger Sunday. Steve in SLO http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/rollem/messages/2063.html |
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| Jon | Jun 16 2006, 02:46 AM Post #26 |
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Don't have a lot of time I just swung over here to check it out and found your latest posting Will
:) I think this will happen more toward the end of the month, this or next, in either event very soon (weeks) but lately I have been getting terrible dreams of earthquakes, cliffs falling away, giant cracks opening in the ground etc. It means either on of two things it means either I have been eating chili dogs with icecream before bed or it means something is about to happen. I don't believe June 18th but I DO believe a little later on as I have stated before on this site something major will happen. It's nto a thus saith the LOrd just my own personal experiences. |
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| Jon | Jun 16 2006, 02:46 AM Post #27 |
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err thats a NOT saith the Lord pardon the above typo |
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| julieann | Jun 20 2006, 12:45 PM Post #28 |
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SLEEPWALKING TO DESTRUCTION ~ON THE "WILLAMETTE VALLEY WARNING" ~ 6-19-2006 by Judy Curmi Rom. 11:22 Consider therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but on you goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off. Ps. 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Mercy and truth go before Your face. [NKJ] Ps. 85:10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. [NKJ] When I awoke on the morning of June 19th, I was considering a severe warning prophecy I had seen for the Willamette Valley, apparently for June 18th, 2006. The personal dreams reported by Pastor Lloyd Day of Salem, Oregon included a 9+ earthquake for Portland, Oregon and the Willamette Valley, the collapse of Bonneville Dam and another earthquake/ tsunami off the Oregon Coast. As I was puzzling over this warning I heard the Lord say, "Sleepwalking to Destruction." My children, I AM a holy God. I AM also a Loving God. Both mercy and justice are attributes of my sovereign character. A few of you focus on my justice ("Sinners in the hands of an angry God"), but most of you choose only to look at my mercy and disregard both my justice and my holiness. YOU ARE SLEEPWALKING TO DESTRUCTION. You say "God would never bring judgement on Portland, Oregon" or "I would never allow anything bad to happen to the USA"; or you say, "We can pray it away," while the hearts of people in the USA continue to harden against me and rebellion to my commands intensifies on a daily basis. YOU ARE SLEEPWALKING TO DESTRUCTION. I can not allow your country to continue down this path indefinitely or almost every soul would be lost to me forever. My mercy includes doing whatever is required to stop the self-destructive course the people in your country are on. I do wish to bless my children, but seeking blessings should not be the primary emphasis in your life or in your daily walk with me. Did my Son place his primary emphasis on "Lord, Bless me. Bless me"? Did my apostles or early church place their primary emphasis on "Lord, Bless me. Bless me"? I Love you greatly, but I AM also interested in transforming you into the image of my Son. How am I supposed to do this when you clutch your flesh-life with such fervor? YOU ARE SLEEP-WALKING TO DESTRUCTION I should have a humble, holy people and a holy church. Where are they? You have replaced ME with your fantasy of what you want me to be like! You do not inquire of me, or if you inquire but do not like the answer you receive, you reject and ignore it. This should not be! You should be in awe of my holiness, but you are not even interested in my holiness, much less becoming holy, sanctified and set apart for me. The days are coming which will try men’s souls. Those who truly know me will walk in victory in those dark and sad hours. They will truly be my hands and feet. They will lead many to me and will pull out many who are headed for the fires of hell. For this to happen you must know who I am. You must have renounced your will for my will. Your flesh must have been brought under control, instead of constantly being pandered to. Right now the world does not want to have what you offer. This will change, but when the world is finally ready, what will you have to offer? A god who winks at sin and turns a blind eye to it? A new fangled Santa Clause in a white robe and beard? I have said the "The End is the End". I have said that the people of the earth will have to eat the fruit you have produced, that is- the fruit of your mockery and rebellion to my commands – beginning with one of the very first ones – you were to be the stewards of the earth, not it’s rapists. THE CLOCK HAS CHIMED AND NOW THINGS WILL BEGIN TO HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY. A calamity was averted* in the Willamette Valley [an earthquake and tsunami], but who repented? Who believed the report of my servant? Who mocked him? There will not always be warnings on such a grand scale. In the case of Lot I just told Abraham. Then my angels removed Lot and his family from Sodom. [Gen. 18:16-19:29] You error in your thinking. You think nothing "BAD" could ever happen where YOU live. Wake up and get your priorities straight! TIME IS VERY SHORT AND GREAT DESTRUCTION IS UPON THE EARTH! Mankind has worshipped everything but ME. These "gods" you worship will bring you to destruction and eat you alive, Oh man. Are you or are you not under the shadow of my wings? Do you have my protection or are you doing your own thing – possibly even in my name? As the earth SLEEPWALKS TO DESTRUCTION do not be part of the crowd! Be my humble servant. Be my hands and feet. Be a light set upon a hill and shining in the darkness for all the world to see. My Son is returning SOON. You know there will be serious times before this happens because my Word tells you so. There will also be times of glory, but many assume this glory will be theirs, when they are not prepared to handle it and it would kill them. Arouse yourselves from your slumber and humble yourselves before me. I AM a great and mighty God, not a milk toast or a wimp who can be manipulated by you! I Love you greatly. I desire for you to set your house in order and get your priorities straight. Can you do this? Are you willing to do this? Those who know me will do great exploits. Those who do not are SLEEPWALKING TO DESTRUCTION. Don’t let your pride be your downfall, but walk before me humbly as my Son did. You are not greater that HE. Your Daddy *Avert: 1. To turn away 2. To ward off or prevent I thought I heard avert "for the present", but I can not be absolutely sure of it. |
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| Wil | Jun 20 2006, 11:01 PM Post #29 |
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I would like to know why this was averted? I guess that God heard all of the prayers that went up, however though this condition was not in the original prophecy, as is usually the case when God leaves the possibility open for a prophesied event to be averted. |
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| Jagger Rose | Jun 20 2006, 11:51 PM Post #30 |
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Was "it" averted? Only if it was indeed set for the 18th,then yes that date was averted. But the date part seems questionable. With so many confirming such an event is on Gods Calender to happen soon...then it would seem on Gods Date for this thing to happen..it is going to surely happen and nothing less than mass repentance of the rebellious millions could avert it. Obviously there is a religious spirit at play in this brothers life that he is yet to be totally delivered from....therefore great caution should be used when receiving the prophetic through him. But was his warning dream from God? Personally...I don't know...if I lived in that area...I would be interceding for God to reveal the answer to me...and only after gaining a personal witness would I be acting on such a warning. |
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| Jon | Jun 21 2006, 12:55 AM Post #31 |
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No it wasn't averted and I as good as said that on here knowing that the lets pray and it will be avoided excuse was going to be used. This is a cop out. Plain and simple the guy got it wrong and he got it wrong because he allowed his subconscious to dictate the dates. He drew the conclusion of a gay parade to the time for the earthquake when it's probably going to be a little later. I really feel for this guy because he put himself out there in good conscience and mucked it up. In actual fact he's right, there will be a earthquake of that magnitude in that area with that amount of damage but only God knows when. I say end of this month, end of next month but that's from me examining possibilities and not a word from the Lord. Nothing was averted and if you believe that something was averted it's a cop out, he mucked it up plain and simple. Excuse my bluntness |
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| NOTADOC | Jun 21 2006, 01:14 AM Post #32 |
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This is simply one false prophecy trying to justify/condone another. Notadoc |
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| laurel | Jun 21 2006, 11:04 AM Post #33 |
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Hello all. I've said before I don't claim to be prophetic, because I've never been given a prophetic word before to give someone. But , because I would love to serve the Lord, and would love to have a gift of prophecy, I am in the habit of saying ,"Lord, give me a word." This morning will I was talking to my husband, the word "Willamette" came into my mind. Nothing in our conversation had anything at all to do with Willamette. I prayed and asked for the Lord's mercy and protection on this place. In a moment or two, the word "Oregan" came into my thoughts."Portland, Oregan." Did I think this of my own accord because Willamette is in Oregan? I'm not really sure, except that I know that I wasn't thinking anything about Willamette a few moments before. I then prayed for Portland, Oregan. I know absolutely nothing at all about this city or state. Only the warnings I have read posted on this board. Am I saying something bad is going to happen in these places? I really don't know, but on the premise of saying "Lord give me a word" I believe He may have done that this morning. If for no other reason to pray for protection and mercy. Anyway just to say I have prayed for these places and will do so again. I am not prophecying anything I am just saying that I feel like the Lord gave me a word. After all , that is what I asked for, "a word." Willamette. Oregan. Portland. Joy in Jesus, Laurel |
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| Heradite | Jun 21 2006, 03:33 PM Post #34 |
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It's possible that it may be when the U.S. divides...in that other thread. You are using logic, predicting an earthquake will happen. The Lord, who can see the Past, present and Furute, knows when it is going to happen just by seeing it. I would trust the Lord more than your logic, as logic I find to be flawed. You will be wrong, or maybe right by chance, but I think this earthquake will start to cause the divison of the United States...I don;'t mean the actual division but adding the causes. |
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| Jon | Jun 21 2006, 07:34 PM Post #35 |
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Sure I am using logic and thats OK because I'm allowed to have a opinion which is all I am offering, othes offer coreshock theory based upon scientiific fact etc but in the end it's all simply theory and opinions........ Even those claiming to speak from the Lord have gotten it wrong. I haven't stuck a this saith the Lord and claimed to have a word from the Lord about it. I've made it abundantly clear that this is simply MY opinion and NOT from the Lord. Some say that the major earthquake that will split the US is the start and sign of a seal being broken, others say that you will get a load of earthquakes as part of Gods judgement on the U.S leading to a eventual money market massive drop and invasion from Russia China.. In the last few months I have seen literally hundreds of prophecies regarding earthquakes. Do I have a specific word from the Lord about a earthquake? No Do I have a opinion about how things may happen? Yes   
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| loveroftruth | Jun 24 2006, 08:03 AM Post #36 |
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I came accross this on another message board - I do not support the Elijah List as I see many things that are not of God - but since this Word was posted on this site i thought this has some good info to consider, use your dicernment in even what you read here - Peace "A Circulating Word Suggests God Is Planning A Northwest Earthquake June 17 or 18! Is He? A Crucial Prophetic Teaching-- By Steve Shultz" With almost 131,000 Email subscribers to THE ELIJAH LIST (not including our website www.elijahlist.com), you can just imagine how many catastrophic visions, dreams, and words are sent to us; the writers all hoping we will publish them. Since 1997, they number in the many thousands. This is the case even now as a particular word is circulating, suggesting a catastrophic earthquake in the Northwest--the destruction of much of Portland, Salem and the Willamette Valley, the Breaking of a massive dam, and a tsunami. Since neither I nor my prophetic intercessors are getting a "witness" on this word about June 17 or 18, I feel the need to break my own rule (that of simply and silently "passing" on a word that I don't feel led to publish) and instead, give a small teaching--both to hopefully remove fear from many of you, and to help the reader learn to discern prophetic words. Does the Prophetic Word Bear Witness? But first, it would be valuable to give you just a few things (this is by no means an exhaustive list) of what we look for in a prophetic word submission: 1) Does the person writing the Word, Dream, or Vision have a documented history of getting words that turn out to be accurate? 2) Does the person writing the revelation seek to call for prayer to STAND IN THE GAP to prevent a word of judgment from coming to pass? For instance, Abraham, the "Father of many nations," was known to get in God's face, as it were--to stand in the gap, to ask for mercy instead of judgment: Genesis 18:25, "Far be it from You (God) to do such a thing--to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from You! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?" NIV So we at THE ELIJAH LIST seek out words where, even if judgment is seen prophetically, the person hearing of an impending disaster, will instead of accepting that word only as a done deal--at face value--he or she will run to the "Throne of Grace" to find mercy instead. I've been a part of many repentance meetings where our purpose was to stop judgment we were being shown prophetically. Our job as prophetic people is to "stand in the gap." 3) Does the man or woman who received a dream or vision, feel they have received it is because of their particularly pure doctrine? That is, do they feel that God has told them special information He has not told others; and do they conclude that because of their doctrine (including keeping the right type of Sabbath in the right type of way), they, and others, will be safe if they take on these same doctrines as a regular practice? Said another way, sometimes, we find a person (in effect) suggesting that God might be giving them a revelation because they are holding a better set of doctrinal teachings on the law, the Sabbath, the Torah, etc., and thus they conclude that if others keep or hold these same doctrines, they will be safe too. These type of revelation words are not normally posted by us. It's not that the hearer of the Word isn't a Christian. Rather, it's because they come to a wrong conclusion about why God spoke to them. And thus the word, like a computer program, can become corrupted--all by accident of course. The Word of Revelation I've pretty much summarized the Word above, leaving out a few details. Here in effect, is the revelation I'm speaking about which is circulating. I am not linking this to the person, or naming him, because I don't want to speak in any way against a specific person, or suggest in any way that he does not love God or Jesus. Of course he does. He serves Jesus. He just, in my prophetic opinion, is missing much related to the three points I just listed. The summary of the two dreams circulating were this: This Messianic Christian (who I consider to be a brother in the Lord), received a dream in which on a given day, an evil parade was held in Portland, Oregon. Then he saw buildings collapse, the dam break, and a tsunami hit, which destroyed most of the Willamette Valley. He concluded that since the parade was evil, and the parade was on the 18th of June this year (though that date was not in the dream), this must be the date of inevitable destruction of most of Portland, and continuing down into the Salem area, etc. He further concluded that since he keeps the entire Torah including the Torah Sabbath, then those reading his word should do two things: a) Be prepared with a full tank of gas in their car on the 18th of June. B) Be sure they were attending a Torah-keeping Church. There was no call to pray against the earthquake or catastrophe. No call to pray for repentance. But there was an "assumption" or one might say, a "inference" that since he kept Torah, so should everyone else. So again, he says all the readers should: 1) keep Torah and 2) have a full tank of gas in their car on June 18th. Please note that the dream or revelation never said there would be an earthquake on June 18th (though later he got a word that meant "18" in a second dream). And there was certainly no call IN THE DREAM to begin to keep more laws from the Old Covenant--specifically the entire Torah in order to be safe--though that suggestion was implied in the revelation as it was written. As a result, we are getting many inquiries about this word. It's circulating all over the Willamette Valley where we are located. Meanwhile.... I have friends who are ministering every week, under the bridges of Portland, to people caught in this same sin this man saw in the dream. They are putting "feet" to the Gospel, and seeing salvations. Rather than fearing that God is about to wipe out Portland, these friends are doing something about the sins seen there, and those caught in this sin. And they are praying for the safety of this area. The entire Northwest and the West Coast is admittedly overdue for an over-the-top earthquake, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami's galore. Who would or could deny this? But What Should You Do? Will you repent and stand in the gap instead? Will you call out to God for mercy? Many interpret a dream as a "done deal" when all God is wanting to do, is to say something like this, "Unless you repent, the day is coming....the time when one day, sudden destruction is possible because of this sin in this area. So I'm looking for a man or woman, or a Church, a city, or a people to stand in the gap so that judgment of destruction will not be required." (This is not a Scripture but a paraphrased idea of what God is saying through many prophetic revelations that He is giving to many people in many denominations.) As the Church, we should not have the mentality that IF every doctrine is 100% accurate, and the car is full of gas, then we are in pretty good shape. Of course, there is nothing wrong with some preparation in case a disaster ever happens to our area. Preparation is good. Fear is not. And yet, the thought process that suggests that, "Since I hold a better set of doctrines than the next person, I will be safer" --this is simply not Biblical. Sometimes, those with the best Theology and the Holiest of lives, suffer the most persecution and are attacked by the enemy. Rather, we should always pray and always be "repented- up," and we should understand the Blood of Jesus, be ministering to all those around us, standing in the gap in prayer, and yes, living Holy lives. A Very Common Set of Missteps in the Prophetic With what has been circulating in the last week or so, all three of the above guidelines are being accidentally (and innocently I'm sure) forgotten. These are good guidelines for which prophetic words to listen to and obey: 1) It is not normally only one person who will be given a judgment word by the Lord for a region. Rather, God would normally give it to many prophets and prophetic people from various denominations in the region--and many prophetic people will agree on the word. 2) A Call to pray and repent should always be urged to stop the judgment. Otherwise, we might as well be as Jonah was found to be--simply expecting a wicked city to be destroyed while he remained safe. 3) Biblically, you are not more protected because every law or doctrine is kept, or because you hold a more accurate set of doctrines, or even if you keep a certain day more holy than another person keeps it. Instead, most often (but not always) protection comes for those who live Holy Lives and who trust God, according to Psalm 91. Psalm 91:1-3 "He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, 'He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.' Surely He will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence." NIV Steve Shultz THE ELIJAH LIST www.elijahlist.com |
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| Wil | Jun 24 2006, 10:21 AM Post #37 |
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Thanks loveroftruth, this was already posted on this thread previously, along with somebody's response to it, of which a couple of points were made that I agree with, such as God not requiring doctrinal perfection in order to use a person. |
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| loveroftruth | Jun 24 2006, 11:03 AM Post #38 |
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OH, I NEVER SAW IT, BUT I DONT READ EVERYTHING SORRY 
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| NOTADOC | Jun 24 2006, 11:45 PM Post #39 |
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Now, isn't that precious? The "self-appointed" profits have come up with guidelines for judging their own (and their competitors) prophecies. Now I personally do not know this author and I have never read or followed this "List." But the simple fact that they ignore the criteria laid down by our Lord makes them suspect in my mind. Does their human reasoning override the Scriptures? I guess if you can make up your own prophecies, you have no problem establishing your own guidelines. Well, I guess if they voted on them democratically or some famous person vouches for them, then they are suitable guidelines for the sheeple. The Lord doesn't mind and will condone their actions in the end, or will He? Notadoc ------------------------------------------------------------ Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ---------------------- 1Cr 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 1Cr 14:22 .....: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 1Cr 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1Cr 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 1Cr 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order. ============================= Lexicon Results for prophetes (Strong's 4396) prophet 149 Outline of Biblical Usage 1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things 2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation a) the OT prophets, having foretold the kingdom, deeds and death, of Jesus the Messiah. b) of John the Baptist, the herald of Jesus the Messiah c) of the illustrious prophet, the Jews expected before the advent of the Messiah d) the Messiah e) of men filled with the Spirit of God, who by God's authority and command in words of weight pleads the cause of God and urges salvation of men f) of prophets that appeared in the apostolic age among Christians 1) they are associated with the apostles 2) they discerned and did what is best for the Christian cause, foretelling certain future events. (Acts 11:27) 3) in the religious assemblies of the Christians, they were moved by the Holy Spirit to speak, having power to instruct, comfort, encourage, rebuke, convict, and stimulate, their hearers 3) a poet (because poets were believed to sing under divine inspiration) a) of Epimenides (Tit. 1:12) ========================== Jer 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness. Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force [is] not right. Jer 23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD. Jer 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery [ways] in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, [even] the year of their visitation, saith the LORD. Jer 23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land. Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, [and] not out of the mouth of the LORD. Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. Jer 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard [it]? Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Jer 23:23 [Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. Jer 23:26 How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:30 Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. Jer 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What [is] the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD. Jer 23:34 And [as for] the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house. Jer 23:35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken? Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. Jer 23:37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken? Jer 23:38 But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD; Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, [and cast you] out of my presence: Jer 23:40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten. |
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| Endtime | Jun 25 2006, 09:46 PM Post #40 |
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I would very much like to hear what you consider the lord criteria is, notadoc. enlighten us. Dan |
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