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| Topic Started: Oct 30 2005, 01:55 PM (10,389 Views) | |
| Wil | Oct 30 2005, 01:55 PM Post #1 |
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Of The USA, Russia and China Mike Tucker Oct 30, 2005 Of The USA, Russia and China 10-28-05 While arising from sleep a dream and word came to me. I saw several sizeable steaks getting ready to be served to me. Then I saw a picture of a pen and heard the words, 'Write down what you are about to hear'. I woke up and retrieved a pen and notepad. Then the word came forth so fluidly: "From the East comes destruction. Wave after wave. China forestalls. Russia divides. China wins in the aftermath. Russia will be broken. Glory to the East. Times Time and Half a Time. Then the Son will rise and destiny will go forth." Interpretation: The destruction is upon the United States, but something new will form from its midst (Daniel 7:4). Russia will have a short time to divide out what it conquers, yet it shall also be divided. China makes a strategic delay to allow Russia time to be broken after Russia conquers much (Daniel 7:5). China and its allies rise for a time but another comes too (Daniel 7:6-7). Then the Times Time and Half a Time of the Beast comes. The end of the Beast is the Coming of the Son. Praise God Almighty! 10-02-05 I dreamed I saw a large bear holding a US flag on its ends. The bear ripped the flag in half down the middle. 07-20-05 I dreamed I saw a round table of foreign powers. Then this was spoken, 'Texas to Chavez'. Early 1990's I dreamed I saw a force from the Ukraine strike Moscow. Armies became divided over allegiances. Russia was in turmoil. |
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| Wil | Nov 2 2005, 04:14 PM Post #2 |
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War with China Dream Michelle Dulin August 6, 2005 November 2, 2005 The night before my dream, I prayed and ask God to speak to me in a dream about an invasion of the United States by China. A theme that I believed he had been showing me over the past week. I wanted to know if this message was coming directly from Him. The next morning, before I awoke. I dreamed that I saw a blast and the face of an Asian man arose in triumph, like the ones you see of the emperors and rulers of China. Then I saw the flag of Japan appear behind his head. Next I saw what appeared to be a major U.S. City that had been bombed. It looked like some sort of holocaust. There was smoke everywhere and the sky was brown with a hazy orange hue. When I opened my eyes I knew the Lord had answered my prayer. |
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| Allthingsnew | Nov 3 2005, 09:47 AM Post #3 |
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Adding the declaration by the Chinese Minister http://s13.invisionfree.com/All_Things_New...p?showtopic=700 to the following it is certainly appearing as if these China attacking prophecies could very well be true: Commentary: China Signals War Will the world learn from history? By Michael Scroccaro Special to The Epoch Times Nov 02, 2005 ... In communist China, people by the thousands are persecuted and jailed for their religious beliefs, their ethnicity, their words and their deeds. In recent years, China has twice declared the United States its “main enemy.” In 1994, a top Chinese general said; “Facing blatant interference from the American hegemonists in our internal affairs… and subverting our socialist system, we must reinforce our armed forces more intensively.” And, in 1998, a Chinese Defense White Paper boldly stated that China should “lead the world into the twenty-first century.” ... So, why is the West ignoring the signs and lessons of history yet again? Could it be that the news out of China is not clear or compelling enough to grasp our attention? On July 14, 2005, a top Chinese general threatened nuclear war against the United States, noting that China would destroy “hundreds of cities” in America if the U.S. honors its commitment to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack: “…we will have to respond (to the U.S. defense of Taiwan) with nuclear weapons.” “ the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of (their) cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.” That was not the first time China threatened the U.S. with nuclear war, nor the second. It was the third. ... China has: Twice declared America its main enemy • Cited America’s implied threat to Chinese socialism as the rationale for “intensively” reinforced armament • Stated that China should “lead the world” • Threatened nuclear war against the United States three times • Joined Russia in declaring a “New World Order” • Held its first-ever joint military exercises with Russia, and • Covertly ratcheted up its defense spending, without having a single natural enemy in the world. Full story at http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-11-2/33984.html |
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| j-Z | Nov 3 2005, 09:59 AM Post #4 |
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I'm comforted by the fact that I know God is in control, God's Will Be Done, God won't give us more than we can handle, and that God has promised to protect us (His children).  |
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| Helski | Nov 3 2005, 10:05 AM Post #5 |
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yes i agree with you j-Z |
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| Wil | Nov 3 2005, 01:44 PM Post #6 |
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Invasion of foreign armies coming to the United States >> Israel writes >> Israel Tolu Oluwafemi Nov 03, 2005 ( I will leave this online for a while so you can see it and process it. Then it will be deleted. From what the prophets have received, and gathered, this will happen anyway, so why not be informed and prepared. Most americans and residents are living in a ' false world' ) What is coming to the United States of America is an invasion. Forget everything that has happened and is happening. It's all child's play compared to this that is coming. God has revealed that at least one of these two or both of them: China and Russia will invade the United States of America and soon also. Many prophets have seen it. I have seen it myself about 3 or four times. All I know is God kept me as the soldiers poured in. The last I saw some weeks back is that one plan is to come in at night. It will happen from the skies in one dimension. Of course, there will be ground entry. I feel so sorry for the Americans that are not listening to the warnings because when the invasion happens, you will have only yourselves to blame. You need to wake up and realize what is really happening and about to happen. If anyone has been listening and observing, you see China and Russia's military operations increasing and the strength going up. It should be expected in 2006 or thereabout... the invasion. God has said it will happen anyway and all we can say is prepare and stop living in a false world where you are oblivious to what is going to happen and nonchalant about God and his Word. Some will cry until they can cry no more when the soldiers invade because you will know you were forewarned beforehand and informed. You will cry for yourselves and your children. This is plain truth. The opportunity to receive Jesus and trust him no matter what happens was presented to you. I want to make it clear that because the sins of the United States have provoked God, it is going to be brought to its knees and humiliated when it happens. Those who trust in Jesus like mount zion and prepare before then will be kept safe when the invasion takes place. Snooze button ? I don't think so. E.Mail: zionisrael12@hotmail.com Website: http://jacobisrael.injesus.com |
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| pjbaby | Nov 4 2005, 10:44 AM Post #7 |
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War inside the USA. This sounds so inconceivable to the Average American, who is pampered in every way imaginable. We are the High and Mighty, the Last and only Superpower! Well, I feel that all we are is fat for the slaughter. Americans on the Gulf Coast are aware that our world can change drastically in hours! Trust me on this. The Wolves of the nations, China and Russia and all the littlitle foxes who follow them, are very observant of our situation here. Seething with jealousy, they have observed at how our nation can become paralyzed with one Terrorist attack. They see the ineptitude of our beaurocracy at handeling crisises and our dependence on the internet and computer chip driven technology. They see that our Military is stretched thin and spread across the Globe! I think the prophets are telling us to be ready. Even my own little boy had a dream of invasion, that confirmed in great detail what one prophet told me about what the Lord had shown them concerning the invasion. It is coming!! What does one do? Well, ASK God for instructions and guidance and protection. If one wants not to recieve more than one can handle, one had better Ask the Father what one shoud do! He may tell you to move to a different location. He may tell you to stay put. It is vital to follow God's instructions and sense His guidance in your daily affairs NOW because they may be preparing and positioning you for this time to come. The most vital thing Americans should do, is be prepared to LOSE EVERYTHING and ALL COMFORT!! ALSO be prepared to lose all contact with the outside World. No internet, phones, cell phones etc.... That will be cut off. It will be just you and God. If you can't handle this and accept the loss of all that in your heart, Ask God to Help you! Be like Apostle Paul and be content in All situations! When it happens, remember it's not the END! JESUS is COMING and the Birth Pangs always precedes the Joy of the BIRTH! Be ready to be a VESSEL to minister life and let The Holy Spirit do Miracles through you!! Spread the Gospel and Minister to those who will inevitably be angry at God for not Sparing this godly nation as preachers have taught! When I came home to the Wilderness that Katrina created, there was such oppression in the air. It was so Humid and Hot with a sickening haze in the sky for days!! The heat sapped my strength and there were no Birds singing or animal noises or human noises. It was like a form of Death ahad settled over the land. My heart began to sink when I saw all the trees we had to cut and how the Roads were blocked everywhere with Flood water, trees and debris. I felt really mentally down and ALONE. Then the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, what I was feeling was only a small portion of what it would be like when Invasion comes. Because Dispair and Terror would be added into the mix! The Storm was over, but this war that is coming will not be over. And I feel it WILL be used to help set up Anti Christ in the Earth. These are some of my thoughts! pjbaby |
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| Wil | Nov 7 2005, 11:12 PM Post #8 |
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And some very good thoughts at that PJ. There is a very good possibility that we will be here for this invasion, are all of us really ready for it? "WARNINGS TO TAKE HEED" Oct. 1, 2005 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.' Ezekiel 33:6 They say to the seers, "See no more visions!" and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions. Isaiah 30:10 "Be aware that I am a God who looks out for the needy and for those who have nothing. I have stockpiles of food and supplies for those who have need of them. In times of crisis I am there to swiftly come to the aid. But I tell you that there are even greater crisis’s and events that are coming upon the horizon. For I have told some that Russia and China will invade this United States. Will you be ready for the onslaught? Will there be a preparedness in your government for this action? I tell you that there will be places of refuge set aside for that time. Woe to those prophets and apostles who speak of brighter days ahead. Woe to those who say that all will be well. For many of them are well-known among you. They have buried their heads in the sand. But to those who speak my truth, you will warn the people and some will take heed. " Stephen Hanson http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/section49.html |
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| Wil | Nov 17 2005, 08:34 PM Post #9 |
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Coming Russian Nuclear Sneak Attack on America !!!! (bible prophecy) Vision from God given to Henry Gruver: I saw a massive military movement coming out of an area up by the Arctic. And I couldn´t figure out what this was, what was going on. WHY a military, Navy, and Air Force WHY it would be going out between the United States and Europe up above Finland going out through the Icelandic Gap and heading down between the United States and Europe And making a curl all the way around the Horn of Africa towards the Persian Gulf. Now that´s significant. But all of a sudden I was alarmed because of that, you would have been too. I looked over towards the United States and I saw something I have never seen in my life, I have never even preconceived the thought of it. I had always thought that the United States was WISER and MORE POWERFUL than to allow Russian subs to be parked right almost on our beaches per say. What I mean by that is you could see the submarines down under the water but there were areas that the sand still had drifted on down from the beaches into the depths. And the submarine was sitting there aimed at America. I saw them sprinkled all the way across the East coast. When I saw that, my family at that time lived in Portland, Oregon I was alarmed of course and I wanted to look over towards Portland to see what was going on And as I looked across the continent of the United States of this globe I saw the submarines from way up by Washington the top of Washington all the way down around towards San Diego poised in the same way all the way along our coast on the North from the Pacific side. Than something else caught my Attention. I began to see Radio Towers going up all across the Nation and these Radio towers as they went up (dut dut-dut dut) the dotted lines begin going out as though they were transmitting and than there was an alarm went off in me They´re sounding the alarm. We´re going to be under attack. The siege has been waged. When all of a sudden I was watching these Radio Dots going out like the transmitting of a warning and instead of the people being warned they sprinkled to the ground like dust And an alarm went off in me and I cried out in the Heavens and I said "Oh God THEY WON´T EVEN KNOW WHAT HIT THEM !!!" And at that time all of a sudden I looked down on the eastern seaboard at the submarine was drawn to that one right off from New York City and I saw the missile come right out of that submarine and go right up and come right over the City of New York and the entire City disappears. Than I looked down, on down towards Florida, down there I could see another explosion take place. I looked across because of my family being in the Pacific Northwest. I looked across another explosion took place up by Seattle/Bellevue And than another one down by San Francisco. and another one down towards Los Angeles, and another down towards San Diego. There I stood in shock as I watching these explosions take place and these cities literally disappearing from off the face of the earth. The next instant I was standing back down on the Eagle Tower and I found myself looking down in the Village there was no alarm going off, the cars were going the normal speed, people were walking I looked out over the Bay where there were some British ships; warships. And I watched them and studied them for a few seconds, there was no alarm there. And I found myself saying this, "Oh God, if this has not happened. What will be the sign of it and of it´s Time?" God spoke to my spirit and these were the words He says December the 14th, 1986 before Glasnost, Perestroika, the Berlin Wall was still up the Cold War was still in full around We supposedly were still on alert. The words were spoken to me, "When Russia opens her gates and lets the masses go. The free world will occupy themselves with transporting, housing, and caring for the masses. We´ll begin letting their weapons down crying peace and safety. And that´s when it will happen" Now the question I submit to you is this: Where are we on that scenario? Where are we in that Prophetic Timetable? Is that Vision being fulfilled before our eyes? Are we seeing it literally take place? The Bear Has Become Enormous and the Bear is in cahoots with the Arab countries 12 to 14 of them and there is high activity in and out of sight. It´s January of this year it looked like we were going to build up again and have another Desert Storm didn´t it? And I cried out to the LORD because I was getting ready to go to Europe and the LORD said "Tell the people that this is not the real thing this is only a Policing Action. There will be Policing actions but WATCH. Because that it will happen what you said". And I said we will be drawn again to the Middle East in mass We will be drawn to conflicts like Bosnia and like Taiwan and like North Korea Conflicts are going to come up to draw us away from Home Base to deplete our Home Defense mechanism. That´s the Strategy. Than Revolution breaks loose inside of our Nation. Why? To throw us into CHAOS AND CONFUSION Because out of CONFUSION AND CHAOS THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM says they gain Strength and Power. And I´ve shown you that in the mentality of these people. They don´t mind Revolution. They don´t mind it at all. This is some of the things that we are facing. We´re facing very Serious Times. =end of exceprt from Henry Gruver= |
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| Abbershay | Nov 17 2005, 10:31 PM Post #10 |
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I had had several dreams about the usa being invaded my china and russia |
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| sonchild | Nov 17 2005, 11:26 PM Post #11 |
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 We have seen our leaders that we have elected prance before cameras in great pride saying, "You know, we are the ONLY SUPERPOWER" and other such statements of a boastful nature. It's made the rest of the world disgusted, where we once were respected . This country has lost the dignity of living with integrity in the eyes of the rest of the world. God's Word is true. This is what is next, according to His Word. Prov.16 [18] Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Prov.29 [23] A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit. and We would have done well to remember that the Spirit says It is not by might, nor by power, but by His Spirit. Yes, I agree we should be aware of what is happening in the world and also tell others. God doesn't do anything without telling His prophets first. :rolleyes: http://s14.invisionfree.com/come_up_here/i...01&CookieDate=1 |
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| Wil | Nov 26 2005, 01:03 AM Post #12 |
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Posted by Thomas (not ours) at Lamb's Cafe: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:13 am fwiw...In '95 I was shown two major years 2006 and 2012.....There was not much, if anything about the now infamous 2012 date at that time..the internet was barely going...and I know I didn't know anything about 2012 at the time.... Anyway, what I saw re these was that 2006 was the likely year of military invasion by the communists into America.....(note, the idealogical invasion is already quite complete) Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:30 pm "......could be nothing out of ordinary....but in light of this thread it struck me .... one of the clearest 'visions' i've ever had was that physical invasion of the US would happen in 2006......feels and sounds like pre-positioning going on, on several fronts.....maybe...... " PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:05 pm "also seeing a constitutional crisis soon . . . maybe even show trials of leaders ..... in absentia on the world stage...setup for foreign intervention/occupation.....could be soon" Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:01 am "Something like this (story below) would be the cause for the crisis and show trials (the charge: crimes against humanity) OR Bush becomes "ill" under the "strain" . . . and withdraws.....can't quite tell, but it looks like something happens where the current administration just sort of disintegrates . . . amidst a swirl of chaos...with ensuing con/crisis . . . and then events within country transpire to bring in strong international presence/occupation/staged cooperation (which is really forced surrender underneath) . . . . ." PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:40 am "had a brutal, alarming idream last night . . . quite detailed.....was taken to look into their base camp accross the border.... it was the Chinese...... among other interesting notes, it was interesting to see that they had a couple of divisions armed with swords.....they also had par-amilitary types with backpacks but with bows and arrows...lots of arrows, who were puncturing solo into our territory for recon....... I saw them up close and personal in this dream quite unlike any others I've had....the other details involved, seeing the state of the forces on both sides up close as I 'flew' around, above and through the ranks undetected....... They were vicious...very serious about what they were about to do...our guys were half asleep, laxidaisical (sp?) . . . . it was suicide to go anywhere near where they were congregated at the border points....they either just shot or took you......" ********************************************************************* Congressman Ron Paul Reiterates Danger Of Foreign Troops Being Used For Martial Law Speaks out on phony UN-US dog and pony show, Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | November 24 2005 Republican Congressman Ron Paul recently appeared on nationally syndicated radio and again reiterated his deep concern that foreign troops are mobilizing outside and inside America to be used as assets in a martial law takeover by the Bush administration. "It's a horrible precedent and it's all part of the NAFTA scheme and globalization and world government," Paul told the Alex Jones Show. "Obviously they shouldn't be permitted. What I'd like to see is that we don't have our troops in foreign countries and if we needed a national guard that they were back here at home, that's the bigger problem. Then if there were foreign troops on our soil maybe our state officials could deal with that with their own national guard." Paul elaborated on his fear that after the next crisis the government, in line with their own public statements, will use military assets to police Americans on a regular basis. "They're putting their back up against the wall and saying, if need be we're going to have martial law." "We've heard all these statements by the President, by the administration, why they need more militarism at the federal government to keep people in check so nobody knows how this will turn out but I do know that the only thing we can do about it is try to alert the American people to what's going on so they can be prepared." Paul offered his take on why the government seemed to be acting in a deranged and reckless manner on every issue. "It's almost like they're going overboard that they lose their rationality and that's part of the reason why they usually fail too is they get overly bold and I think our government is overly bold thinking they are invincible and they feel invincible with their finances. Our government controls the reserve currency of the world, they literally have the ability to print gold." |
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| Wil | Dec 13 2005, 10:39 PM Post #13 |
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From: "Stephen L. Bening" <gammadim@...> Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:57 pm Subject: China's War Plans I just read a translation of a speech, as given by the Chinese minister of defense. The text was leaked out of China by some who are concerned for China's future. Credit is given to the Hal Turner Radio show for bringing this text to English. The link to the entire speech is at the end of the clipped text below. I have read the entire speech, and I wish that all Americans would read it, for then they would know what our future holds and the type of life and death struggle we face. Perhaps then, they would be more committed to righteousness and a life of prayer. The article puts for some interesting Chinese reasoning. Perhaps some of you are aware of some plans in the West for reducing the population of Earth to the 600 million to 1 billion range. The efforts have been put forth under titles such as "sustainable development", the Green movement and such. Well, the Chinese have their own ideas about who should be eliminated and who should be left standing. Stephen L. Bening Clipped segments from the speech: (I first saw it at surfingtheapocalypse) "What is the third issue we should clinch firmly in order to accomplish our historical mission of national renaissance? It is to hold firmly onto the big "issue of America." Comrade Mao Zedong taught us that we must have a resolute and correct political orientation. What is our key, correct orientation? It is to solve the issue of America. This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple. Comrade He Xin put forward a very fundamental judgment that is very reasonable. He asserted in his report to the Party Central Committee: The renaissance of China is in fundamental conflict with the western strategic interest, and therefore will inevitably be obstructed by the western countries doing everything they can. So, only by breaking the blockade formed by the western countries headed by the United States can China grow and move towards the world! Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization. Therefore, solving the "issue of America" is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the white race. We the descendents of the Chinese nation are entitled to the possession of the land! It is said that the residents of the yellow race have a very low social status in United States. We need to liberate them. Second, after solving the "issue of America," the western countries in Europe would bow to us, not to mention to Taiwan, Japan and other small countries. Therefore, solving the "issue of America" is the mission assigned to CCP members by history. I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies that are bound to meet on a narrow road! Do you remember a movie about Liberation Army troops led by Liu Bocheng and Deng Xiaoping? The title is something like "Decisive Battle on the Central Plains." There is a famous remark in the movie that is full of power and grandeur: "The enemies are bound to meet on a narrow road, only the brave will win!" It is this kind of fighting to win or die spirit that enabled us to seize power in Mainland China. It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight each other! The United States, unlike Russia and Japan, has never occupied and hurt China, and also assisted China in its battle against the Japanese. But, it will certainly be an obstruction, and the biggest obstruction! In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle." END SNIP: http://www.halturnershow.com/ChineseDefens...lksWarAgainstUS. html |
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| Wil | Jan 2 2006, 01:57 PM Post #14 |
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Posted by Thomas (not ours) at the Lamb Cafe: 2006 has also been a year I have had my eye on since 1995...when I believe the Lord told me that America would be invaded....by Russia...or at least the communists in some form...in an obvious way.....I was given two dates at that time....2006 and 2012.......2006 being a year of military occupation or invasion ....2012 being an end of some kind in a big way....... Have also had another invasion dream as of last week....was sent to the front line...as were many other regular citizens...in this dream....and another dream about the many planes flying overhead.....military planes...... |
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| pjbaby | Jan 2 2006, 08:36 PM Post #15 |
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Wil, I'm glad you have this thread, because the Lord has been dealing with me about this topic for the last several months and I feel the need to say this here on this board, and I will be on several other boards too. So much attention has been given to the Middle East and Europe and the Mark of the beast, etc... that many in this hemisphere have neglected to look in the Word for the possibility of a clue to our future. So much Hope in the Blessed Hope! Let's watch those Europeans and the Illuminati ad pray for the Israelis to whip any new Arab incursions into the "promised land". I would suggest that we all take heed to the Warnings of the Articles on this thread that Wil has so diligently posted. Ezekial 38 clearly shows TWO invasions. One in the Land of Unwalled Villages, and one in Israel. America IS in Prophesy, and the Nation is about to reap the Whirlwind for being an Abomination and Enemy of God in the midst of the LIGHT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is one thing for a nation in Darkness to act in as a beast, but for a Nation who DECLARES that it is under God, and has a Church on Every Corner will be judged far more severely! As many on this Board know, I believe the Rapture will come at the END of the Tribulation AFTER the Resurrection AFTER the LAST Trump. But I would suggest to you on this board that the point may be moot for most of us. The USA in its present form and population will never even make it to the Tribulation. Most of the Church here will be rounded up and executed BEFORE the PRETRIB rapture can rescue one soul from Tribulation. Is this Hard to believe? Well, read Ezekiel 38and read the description of the Nation Invaded. Who is (nominally) Israel's only ally? We already know from posts on this board that Russia wants Cold War revenge and Domination of Europe and the World that we prevent them from having. China Wants our Land. China will exterminate this population to GET THAT LAND! They will take the spoil of this nation for their own. God has done this with Israel twice. The last judgment lasting 2000 years! Its not unbiblical for God to use Foreign Nations to execute His Righteous Judgments. It is a PROMISE for the Land to Vomit up a Nation full of Abominations. God will Protect what is HIS even in the Midst of the Judgments He performs. One must only Wake up and Listen. Hear What the Holy Spirit is saying about this and Prepare in the Way He tells you. This is NOT a Rapture issue! I can Debate with the Best on the Net over timing of it! But this is rather an issue that God is revealing to the Prophets and Watchers of this Hour to Warn the People. I know most of the people who surf the net and read these board are all familiar with the signs of the Times. They are Watching for the Return of the Lord (and as such many equate it with Pretrib Rapture) but its time to deal with this very REAL possibility that looms in our Future. God does not Delay Judgments because you are unable to handle it! Its up to YOU to draw into HIM and Receive the POWER and Sustenance you will need to ENDURE this Trial to Come. Jesus is Coming Much Sooner than many of us realize! And I'm talking in the FLESH, not Rapture. Be Ready!!! Be not Fearful!!! Greater is He that Dwells inside of you than He who Dwells in the World!!! pjbaby |
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| dinosaur | Jan 3 2006, 01:03 PM Post #16 |
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"As many on this Board know, I believe the Rapture will come at the END of the Tribulation AFTER the Resurrection AFTER the LAST Trump. But I would suggest to you on this board that the point may be moot for most of us. The USA in its present form and population will never even make it to the Tribulation. Most of the Church here will be rounded up and executed BEFORE the PRETRIB rapture can rescue one soul from Tribulation." Preach it, pjbaby! Most American Christians are asleep and unprepared for the coming judgments! |
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 Time to stock up on sleeping pills.  Either sleep through the tribulation OR... take the easy way out...a painless endless sleep until the Resurrection of the Saints.  Just kiddin' My straw hat is tossed into the ring in favor of accepting what is given to us as the way it SHALL all come down.. just as we all go up. As I once heard someone say to another who had a different viewpoint, "I'll  at you as I  
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| Wil | Jan 4 2006, 12:42 AM Post #18 |
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Via rapture or not, believers who are counted worthy are promised not to have to go thru the tribulation (Luke 21:36). Wondering, how do those of you who believe in post-trib fit this scripture into your belief? Either way though, as I've said before I don't see where America christians are promised never to have to endure persecution, if it can happen to other believers in other countries it can certainly happen here, as God is not a respecter of people or nations. And since we really don't know what happens to the country during these final days (interesting belief you have there PJ) the possibility certainly remains that it will be judged before the Trib, and if that's the case than I can certainly see the persecution occurring. So, all we can really do is wait and see how it all goes down, and trust God that whatever happens is all according to what's best for us in His perfect plan for our lives. |
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| pjbaby | Jan 4 2006, 02:45 AM Post #19 |
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Wil, Actually I have no problem with this verse in Luke 21:36. Its Beautiful!!!! It's a wonderful promise made by Yeshua Himself. I believe there is no rapture shown in this verse at all. I beleive the catching up is After the resurection, after the last Trump for the purposes of GATHERING the Elect at His Return!! God has plenty of ways to protect His own, but I beleive the Purpose of the Rapture has been Distorted by teachers who misinterpreted scripture, missing its truth because of heart felt desire to see something they longed for. That Verse INSTRUCTS US to PRAY to be COUNTED worthy to Escape these things. THINK folks.. Most Rapture doctrine says the Church is going up, but this is saying that you must pray to be Counted worthy for escape. This is conditional. The "Escape" is in myriad ways that God will protect the WISE Servants from the Beast. Psalm 91 gives hints. The Petra Stronghold will be part of the Equation. The unwise will DIE in the Trib and be burned like firewood in the Death camps of the AC. He will make war and overcome them. We Cannot Tell God "I want this verse to mean RAPTURE" when there is absolutely no reference to such a thing in these verses. I do see plenty of Hard times and a WARNING not to be deceived. Hi Jan, What I am saying about these posts in this thread is that I believe they indicate that America is about to be Judged for her Abominations committed in the light of the Gospel. It has nothing to do with the Tribulation. Saints have died in Wars and disasters for almost 2000 years since this prophecy but they were not caught up anywhere except into Heaven after they were killed. To dismiss this with out prayer for Direction from God is putting your life in Peril. Most Americans will die in this conflict. The World will Mourn Babylon from Afar as they watch it burn in Smoke. I can tell you this from my Katrina Experience, when the nukes do fly, it will be us and God alone. No church organization will survive to help us. The Good Shepherd, Yeshua will be the One who leads His Sheep with His Voice! PJBABY |
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| Wil | Jan 4 2006, 09:00 AM Post #20 |
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You're right PJ Luke 21:36 is a conditional promise, and only those who are in the Philadelphian spiritual state be judged worthy to be kept from the trib. We can disagree as to how this keeping will take place, as for me as you are aware I have heard personally from the Lord that it is via rapture, and therefore my mind will never be changed on the issue. |
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